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On December 16 2011 08:33 redemption wrote:
I said this in a previous thread, but I think it's fitting... Remember SlayersCoca guys? .
Entirely different situation, as mentioned many times before. In the game chat when Coca had practically won the game, Byun asked for a third game and Coca agreed. So we have to parties agreeing to throw a game. Another difference to Naniwas game is that Cocas game was not meaningless beacause it was a tournament game and the winner would advance to possibly win a cash prize.
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On December 16 2011 08:39 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 08:33 redemption wrote:
I said this in a previous thread, but I think it's fitting... Remember SlayersCoca guys? . Entirely different situation, as mentioned many times before. In the game chat when Coca had practically won the game, Byun asked for a third game and Coca agreed. So we have to parties agreeing to throw a game. Another difference to Naniwas game is that Cocas game was not meaningless beacause it was a tournament game and the winner would advance to possibly win a cash prize.
Not to mention it was his team (and his choice to abide by his team's decision) to take him out of the league, not GSL deciding he couldn't play. That's the biggest difference. Quantic can tell Nani to do whatever they want. GOM shouldn't have removed a spot they promised without a clear violation of rules.
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This episode will remain forever in my memory as NaniBallZ doing the unthinkable, live. Doesn't matter what reasons driven him into doing this "never seen, never heard off" action, but he earned my respect.He had the ballz, not like the rest of "pr0n-gamers".
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Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month.
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In this situation GOM can do whatever the fuck they want. If they want to kick/ban Naniwa out of GSL they have every right to do so. I think it would be a great story to see Naniwa qualify for Code A the old fashioned way and rise to the occasion!
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On December 15 2011 08:19 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:33 GOMTV wrote:It seems like a lot of people have been under the impression that NaNiWa has received a Code S seed for taking 2nd place at MLG Providence. The truth however is that NaNiWa has received the right to compete in the Blizzard Cup for his 2nd place achievement at MLG Providence. Gom, why are you making this up? 1. Why were the two seeds called "INTERNATIONAL SEED" and the other one "MLG PROVIDENCE CODE S SEED" on your official website (which you in stealth changed today)? 2. Why did your own twitter comment say that you revoked his Code S seed (which you also, deleted today)? 3. Why was it announced on your official partners website that Naniwa has .. earned a seat in Code S? 4. And why does it say on your official website when you announced the partner program still (not had time to change that one yet, had you?) say that: At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who doesn't already have Code S status.What you are doing right now is much much worse than what Naniwa could ever do or any player has ever done in the history of Starcraft 2. You are falsely removing the prize of a tournament several months after the tournament has happened and trying to delete all evidence of it. This is worse than those tournaments who don't pay the prize money, as at least they acknowledge the fact that there is a prize. I really expected that your so called "honor" would be more than this. Removing one of the major prizes of a tournament, lying, deleting threads, in secret altering your own statements, I think all GomTV has built up was just thrown down the drain and I honestly wish that no player would ever have anything more to do with you. I don't see how you dare talk about "honor" or professionalism.
Thank you for pulling this info up.
Gom has really dropped the ball...
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Naniwa is wrong, no doubt about it. Posted my thoughts about him and his antics on multiple occasions. However, GOMTV's proposed solution is very immature and a joke in itself as well. There has to be a rule of law. Based on which rules does GOMTV make these decisions?
I have to be honest, it's been a while since I bothered to watch GSL or anything. Now that I see GOMTV is also a joke as an organization, like Naniwa is, I cannot be bothered to watch it. If they did this decision based on the reaction of Korean fans, well, I guess they had to consider that they will lose some foreign fanbase of GSL over this. I personally like watching the best Korean players, but I cannot be OK with such an immature organization.
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On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month.
Try not to project your own inability to give something up for something you care about onto others, thanks.
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On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month.
That is certainly not true. I personally haven't paid for a GSL since the super tournament, and hadn't paid for very many before then. The only time I pay for GSL is when I feel they have been doing a good enough job that I should support them. I honestly was planning on buying a yearly pass when that was announced but after this whole incident I absolutely wont.
There is more then enough other high level content out there and GSL going back on a promise like this to a foreigner event just doesn't sit well with me. They are going to have to do something truly amazing to ever earn me back as a paying customer.
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I didn't really like or dislike Naniwa before, but now I'm a huge fan.
Funny-Walk Protoss Fighting!
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On December 16 2011 10:18 Ziggitz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month. Try not to project your own inability to give something up for something you care about onto others, thanks.
Better yet, if these customers don't come back, who cares? GOM has probably done the business analysis to know that this decision will have minimal to no impact on revenue and/or profits. So please, to all who are angry, don't subscribe to GOM... they don't care and neither do those of us who will continue our subscription. I will enjoy watching the games in 2012; you can sit at home and sulk over what happened to Naniwa. GL HF, whatever it is you choose to do...
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On December 16 2011 10:25 Kahuna. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:18 Ziggitz wrote:On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month. Try not to project your own inability to give something up for something you care about onto others, thanks. Better yet, if these customers don't come back, who cares? GOM has probably done the business analysis to know that this decision will have minimal to no impact on revenue and/or profits. So please, to all who are angry, don't subscribe to GOM... they don't care and neither do those of us who will continue our subscription. I will enjoy watching the games in 2012; you can sit at home and sulk over what happened to Naniwa. GL HF, whatever it is you choose to do...
I as a viewer do not have any problems with GOM, as nothing they do affects me personally. That being said, if I were a top level player who had went to MLG with the sole intent to try and win a code S spot in the GSL, only to find out there never was a code S spot, and that even MLG was in the dark about it, I would be absolutely pissed off and most certainly wouldnt trust what GOM had to say in the future regarding possible prizes. They are not hurting the viewers soo much as they are hurting the players who thought 1 thing, only to find out another in a very very shady manner.
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On December 16 2011 10:40 eXigent. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:25 Kahuna. wrote:On December 16 2011 10:18 Ziggitz wrote:On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month. Try not to project your own inability to give something up for something you care about onto others, thanks. Better yet, if these customers don't come back, who cares? GOM has probably done the business analysis to know that this decision will have minimal to no impact on revenue and/or profits. So please, to all who are angry, don't subscribe to GOM... they don't care and neither do those of us who will continue our subscription. I will enjoy watching the games in 2012; you can sit at home and sulk over what happened to Naniwa. GL HF, whatever it is you choose to do... I as a viewer do not have any problems with GOM, as nothing they do affects me personally. That being said, if I were a top level player who had went to MLG with the sole intent to try and win a code S spot in the GSL, only to find out there never was a code S spot, and that even MLG was in the dark about it, I would be absolutely pissed off and most certainly wouldnt trust what GOM had to say in the future regarding possible prizes. They are not hurting the viewers soo much as they are hurting the players who thought 1 thing, only to find out another in a very very shady manner.
I agree. The players are the ones working harder than anyone and they are the prime source of all the competition, excitement and entertainment. The "industry" shouldnt be allowed to walk all over the players, teams and community like this.
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On December 16 2011 10:58 Fjodorov wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:40 eXigent. wrote:On December 16 2011 10:25 Kahuna. wrote:On December 16 2011 10:18 Ziggitz wrote:On December 16 2011 09:08 AxelTVx wrote:
Seriously, to the people simply posting "you just lost a customer", stfu. You left, great, GOM doesn'rt give a shit. Do you know why? You're going to be back in a week to a month. Dont try to deny this. You aren't going to give up top quality games for this bullshit. Do us all a favour and stop posting this bs. We'll see you in a month. Try not to project your own inability to give something up for something you care about onto others, thanks. Better yet, if these customers don't come back, who cares? GOM has probably done the business analysis to know that this decision will have minimal to no impact on revenue and/or profits. So please, to all who are angry, don't subscribe to GOM... they don't care and neither do those of us who will continue our subscription. I will enjoy watching the games in 2012; you can sit at home and sulk over what happened to Naniwa. GL HF, whatever it is you choose to do... I as a viewer do not have any problems with GOM, as nothing they do affects me personally. That being said, if I were a top level player who had went to MLG with the sole intent to try and win a code S spot in the GSL, only to find out there never was a code S spot, and that even MLG was in the dark about it, I would be absolutely pissed off and most certainly wouldnt trust what GOM had to say in the future regarding possible prizes. They are not hurting the viewers soo much as they are hurting the players who thought 1 thing, only to find out another in a very very shady manner. they are the prime source of all the competition, excitement and entertainment.
Creating competition, excitement and entertainment...by throwing a game?
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On December 16 2011 09:02 HomeWorld wrote:
This episode will remain forever in my memory as NaniBallZ doing the unthinkable, live. Doesn't matter what reasons driven him into doing this "never seen, never heard off" action, but he earned my respect.He had the ballz, not like the rest of "pr0n-gamers".
He had the balls to give up because he was mentally shaken after going 0-3? He even explains that in his statement. You're an idiot.
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On December 16 2011 10:58 Fjodorov wrote:
I agree. The players are the ones working harder than anyone and they are the prime source of all the competition, excitement and entertainment. The "industry" shouldnt be allowed to walk all over the players, teams and community like this.
Competition exists because there are fans willing to watch. Excitement is possible because there is an audience available to get excited. The main purpose of the tournament is to provide entertainment to its viewers (who pay for the prize pool, the production, the casters, the everything). The secondary purpose is to crown a champion. There are no players and there is no tournament if there is no one to watch the games. So when someone takes a shit on the audience by throwing away a game that the audience was looking forward to then there is a problem, and this is exactly what Naniwa did.
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On December 16 2011 11:20 Kahuna. wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2011 10:58 Fjodorov wrote:
I agree. The players are the ones working harder than anyone and they are the prime source of all the competition, excitement and entertainment. The "industry" shouldnt be allowed to walk all over the players, teams and community like this.
Competition exists because there are fans willing to watch. Excitement is possible because there is an audience available to get excited. The main purpose of the tournament is to provide entertainment to its viewers (who pay for the prize pool, the production, the casters, the everything). The secondary purpose is to crown a champion. There are no players and there is no tournament if there is no one to watch the games. So when someone takes a shit on the audience by throwing away a game that the audience was looking forward to then there is a problem, and this is exactly what Naniwa did.
Wrong, there is money to be made because people are willing to watch. There are always competitions.
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Competition exists because there are fans willing to watch. Excitement is possible because there is an audience available to get excited. The main purpose of the tournament is to provide entertainment to its viewers (who pay for the prize pool, the production, the casters, the everything). The secondary purpose is to crown a champion. There are no players and there is no tournament if there is no one to watch the games. So when someone takes a shit on the audience by throwing away a game that the audience was looking forward to then there is a problem, and this is exactly what Naniwa did.
You. Are. Totally. Fucking. Clueless.
Are you kidding me and any pro player/competitor with this shit? Capitalist world producing plants like yourself is just something, I tell you.
I don't usually write anything on the kidboards, preferring to take a neutral stance, but sometimes, braindeads like you just make me.
Competitions exist only because there are people willing to compete. Fans and companies making money off of that is a "side effect" of a sort. Damn it kid, go read some history fucking books at least if you don't believe me!
Players AREN'T CLOWNS. If you need excitement go to a circus. Players are competing AMONG THEMSELVES, not for you and not for GOM. Maybe staged shit WWE or Superbowl does this for the fans. True competition does not. GOM wouldn't exist if players didn't play. And you'd have nothing to watch. It just so happens that the current world revolves around money, thus it's kind of natural for the people who have more of them (organisations) to make others who have less (players) bend to their rules.
Think about it, hypothetically, if tomorrow a guy arises with shitload of money and says "Here. I'm ready to give away a mil a month, I don't give a shit if u please fans, do what you want. My only condition is that you dump other leagues". Do you really think that players would continue to stick to something that offers less, makes a living off them, and wrongs them left and right? There you go, your capitalist image - dead. Ofc this is kinda exaggerated and a bit silly and you're free to flame me off it, but the point here is clear I think.
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On December 16 2011 11:44 MadeOfBalls wrote:Show nested quote +
Competition exists because there are fans willing to watch. Excitement is possible because there is an audience available to get excited. The main purpose of the tournament is to provide entertainment to its viewers (who pay for the prize pool, the production, the casters, the everything). The secondary purpose is to crown a champion. There are no players and there is no tournament if there is no one to watch the games. So when someone takes a shit on the audience by throwing away a game that the audience was looking forward to then there is a problem, and this is exactly what Naniwa did.
You. Are. Totally. Fucking. Clueless. Are you kidding me and any pro player/competitor with this shit? Capitalist world producing plants like yourself is just something, I tell you. I don't usually write anything on the kidboards, preferring to take a neutral stance, but sometimes, braindeads like you just make me. Competitions exist only because there are people willing to compete. Fans and companies making money off of that is a "side effect" of a sort. Damn it kid, go read some history fucking books at least if you don't believe me!
Not only do you find it necessary to be incredibly rude, but you also think that all these progamers would be playing 14 hours a day if they got nothing it. For one, they'd actually need a job if people didn't pay to watch them play, so they wouldn't even have the time. Take away the money the players make and see if everyone continues to practice as hard.
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On December 16 2011 11:44 MadeOfBalls wrote:Show nested quote +
Competition exists because there are fans willing to watch. Excitement is possible because there is an audience available to get excited. The main purpose of the tournament is to provide entertainment to its viewers (who pay for the prize pool, the production, the casters, the everything). The secondary purpose is to crown a champion. There are no players and there is no tournament if there is no one to watch the games. So when someone takes a shit on the audience by throwing away a game that the audience was looking forward to then there is a problem, and this is exactly what Naniwa did.
You. Are. Totally. Fucking. Clueless. Are you kidding me and any pro player/competitor with this shit? Capitalist world producing plants like yourself is just something, I tell you. I don't usually write anything on the kidboards, preferring to take a neutral stance, but sometimes, braindeads like you just make me. Competitions exist only because there are people willing to compete. Fans and companies making money off of that is a "side effect" of a sort. Damn it kid, go read some history fucking books at least if you don't believe me! Players AREN'T CLOWNS. If you need excitement go to a circus. Players are competing AMONG THEMSELVES, not for you and not for GOM. Maybe staged shit WWE or Superbowl does this for the fans. True competition does not. GOM wouldn't exist if players didn't play. And you'd have nothing to watch. It just so happens that the current world revolves around money, thus it's kind of natural for the people who have more of them (organisations) to make others who have less (players) bend to their rules. Think about it, hypothetically, if tomorrow a guy arises with shitload of money and says "Here. I'm ready to give away a mil a month, I don't give a shit if u please fans, do what you want. My only condition is that you dump other leagues". Do you really think that players would continue to stick to something that offers less, makes a living off them, and wrongs them left and right? There you go, your capitalist image - dead. Ofc this is kinda exaggerated and a bit silly and you're free to flame me off it, but the point here is clear I think.
You are a moron. Of course it's the competition between the players. But they wouldn't even be in that position without the fans. It's the fans who give the ability to produce something like MLG, GSL, Dreamhack, etc. It's pretty fucking obvious you don't understand what GOM was getting at.
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