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On December 14 2011 04:53 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:50 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 04:41 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:34 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 04:32 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:26 Sea_Food wrote:On December 14 2011 04:19 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP
TL;DR
Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. Naniwa was in pissed off, so there is a reason why he dosnt act respectfully. And FYI. 300 spartans was not a documentary. 300 spartans never did kill 10 000 persians. If you havent stayed awake during history lessons, western nations give up before they have only 300 soldiers left. I don't think you understood my reference to 300 and the Spartans. I'm saying how Western culture seems to have some sort of value in fighting to the end because it's the honourable thing to do and how the lore of the Battle of Thermopylae is one of the most celebrated examples of this. Also I don't see how Naniwa being pissed off is an excuse to not act respectfully. Do Western parents really buy the candy for their child just because the child is having a temper tantrum? Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. Reading the interview I cannot see any sign of Naniwa being shocked, he still thinks he did nothing wrong, even if he denied the PAYING STARCRAFT2-FANS a game of NesTea. You think someone who's gonna play against Nestea is thinking about giving good games for the paying Nestea fans? No, they're thinking about winning the game regardless of how they do it. Naniwa, being the guy obsessed with winning that we all know, didn't care about a match that wouldn't decide anything, and acted accordingly. Blizzard Cup isn't a set of showmatches, they're not playing for your entertainment. They're playing to win. Money. A lot of it. It's not about NesTea Fans, read more careful!
Well it's not about Naniwa's fans either, neither is about SC2 fans who paid for it. It's about the players only. It's their job. They make a living off of it. They don't need to give a shit about what the fans think, and some of them (like Naniwa) indeed don't give a shit.
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On December 14 2011 04:52 tlin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. "I wanted to show an entertaining match but HuK took it serious so I was caught off guard" - NesTea That's how much he would "try to win" in showmatches.
But he played. For the fans. It's like taking the Brood War All-Stars games seriously (FYI - the games start out funny with everyone laughing but eventually turn serious).
Naniwa said fuck you to the fans and everyone involved.
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On December 14 2011 04:52 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:39 ZAiNs wrote:On December 14 2011 04:37 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. Why would you want to see a bullshit PvZ where neither player is trying their hardest? This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. But if Naniwa 4 gated, failed horribly and gg'd immediately then he was fighting with the spirit of a champion and it was worth your money. For all you know Nestea intended to throw it with the intentions of entertainment value. Also, blizzcon. Blizzcon is just pure baseless speculation. That match-fixing thing is ridiculous hahahah, I just laugh at it. NesTea just Zergbonged that game, just like he zergbonged his games agains Huk in the GSL.
Speculation? Yes. Baseless? Insulting the intelligence of anyone who plays SC2 at a gold level. At this point it'd also be speculation if Naniwa decided to 4 gate instead and get it over with quickly. But he probe rushed.
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On December 14 2011 04:38 mbr2321 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:36 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 03:17 legaton wrote:
Well, with Naniwa going 0-4 on a slightly worst pool than Stephano (2-2), it seems to me it is clear now who's the better player. I think now Stephano can claim the title of best foreigner. You can't be serious. I know you're French but at least try to pass as a little less biased. This comes off as a lot more racist than I think you intended  The best competition wasn't necessarily at this tournament, so I think the claim that Stephano≥all other foreigners is unfounded based on just this tournament, but this reply just made me laugh.
His comment is not racist at all, just implying that since he's from the same country as stephano hes biased. No racist comment at all..
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On December 14 2011 04:55 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:52 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:39 ZAiNs wrote:On December 14 2011 04:37 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. Why would you want to see a bullshit PvZ where neither player is trying their hardest? This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. But if Naniwa 4 gated, failed horribly and gg'd immediately then he was fighting with the spirit of a champion and it was worth your money. For all you know Nestea intended to throw it with the intentions of entertainment value. Also, blizzcon. Blizzcon is just pure baseless speculation. That match-fixing thing is ridiculous hahahah, I just laugh at it. NesTea just Zergbonged that game, just like he zergbonged his games agains Huk in the GSL. Speculation? Yes. Baseless? Insulting the intelligence of anyone who plays SC2 at a gold level. At this point it'd also be speculation if Naniwa decided to 4 gate instead and get it over with quickly. But he probe rushed.
If you saw the NesTea vs Huk games on GSL you know NesTea is capable on Zergbonging insane games hahahaha. Unless you think NesTea would purposely drop a GSL match to Huk, which would be even more baseless.
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On December 14 2011 04:54 Switchy wrote:
How many people here would actually be in the mental state to try to play a good game (thats meaningless) after being knocked out 30min earlier? Its 30 minutes after being knocked out of a tournament you had really high hopes for. 30 minutes is REALLY SHORT. damn hypocrites
He knew the rules before and he accepted them.
P.S.: This thread wont make me a Naniwa-hater, but it shapes my opinion of Naniwa-fanboys.
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On December 14 2011 04:55 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:52 tlin wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. "I wanted to show an entertaining match but HuK took it serious so I was caught off guard" - NesTea That's how much he would "try to win" in showmatches. But he played. For the fans. It's like taking the Brood War All-Stars games seriously (FYI - the games start out funny with everyone laughing but eventually turn serious). Naniwa said fuck you to the fans and everyone involved.
and if you asked him to play a showmatch wtih a NesTea to settle their "rivalry" specifically as a thing for the fans, how do you know he wouldn't agree to it. They just straight up made him play a game he didn't want to, so he ended it the fastest way he knew how that actually involved an action (FYI more forfeitures end with worker rushes). He's not obgligated to entertain people 100 percent of the time.
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On December 14 2011 04:54 Switchy wrote:
How many people here would actually be in the mental state to try to play a good game (thats meaningless) after being knocked out 30min earlier? Its 30 minutes after being knocked out of a tournament you had really high hopes for. 30 minutes is REALLY SHORT. damn hypocrites
I'd like to point out, we're not professional gamers.
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On December 14 2011 04:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:53 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:50 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 04:41 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:34 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 04:32 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:26 Sea_Food wrote:On December 14 2011 04:19 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP
TL;DR
Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. Naniwa was in pissed off, so there is a reason why he dosnt act respectfully. And FYI. 300 spartans was not a documentary. 300 spartans never did kill 10 000 persians. If you havent stayed awake during history lessons, western nations give up before they have only 300 soldiers left. I don't think you understood my reference to 300 and the Spartans. I'm saying how Western culture seems to have some sort of value in fighting to the end because it's the honourable thing to do and how the lore of the Battle of Thermopylae is one of the most celebrated examples of this. Also I don't see how Naniwa being pissed off is an excuse to not act respectfully. Do Western parents really buy the candy for their child just because the child is having a temper tantrum? Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. Reading the interview I cannot see any sign of Naniwa being shocked, he still thinks he did nothing wrong, even if he denied the PAYING STARCRAFT2-FANS a game of NesTea. You think someone who's gonna play against Nestea is thinking about giving good games for the paying Nestea fans? No, they're thinking about winning the game regardless of how they do it. Naniwa, being the guy obsessed with winning that we all know, didn't care about a match that wouldn't decide anything, and acted accordingly. Blizzard Cup isn't a set of showmatches, they're not playing for your entertainment. They're playing to win. Money. A lot of it. It's not about NesTea Fans, read more careful! Well it's not about Naniwa's fans either, neither is about SC2 fans who paid for it. It's about the players only. It's their job. They make a living off of it. They don't need to give a shit about what the fans think, and some of them (like Naniwa) indeed don't give a shit.
Ye and they would absolutely be able to play for money without fans who watch advertisment or pay for atching them.
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On December 14 2011 04:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:53 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:50 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 04:41 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:34 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 04:32 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:26 Sea_Food wrote:On December 14 2011 04:19 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP
TL;DR
Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. Naniwa was in pissed off, so there is a reason why he dosnt act respectfully. And FYI. 300 spartans was not a documentary. 300 spartans never did kill 10 000 persians. If you havent stayed awake during history lessons, western nations give up before they have only 300 soldiers left. I don't think you understood my reference to 300 and the Spartans. I'm saying how Western culture seems to have some sort of value in fighting to the end because it's the honourable thing to do and how the lore of the Battle of Thermopylae is one of the most celebrated examples of this. Also I don't see how Naniwa being pissed off is an excuse to not act respectfully. Do Western parents really buy the candy for their child just because the child is having a temper tantrum? Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. Reading the interview I cannot see any sign of Naniwa being shocked, he still thinks he did nothing wrong, even if he denied the PAYING STARCRAFT2-FANS a game of NesTea. You think someone who's gonna play against Nestea is thinking about giving good games for the paying Nestea fans? No, they're thinking about winning the game regardless of how they do it. Naniwa, being the guy obsessed with winning that we all know, didn't care about a match that wouldn't decide anything, and acted accordingly. Blizzard Cup isn't a set of showmatches, they're not playing for your entertainment. They're playing to win. Money. A lot of it. It's not about NesTea Fans, read more careful! Well it's not about Naniwa's fans either, neither is about SC2 fans who paid for it. It's about the players only. It's their job. They make a living off of it. They don't need to give a shit about what the fans think, and some of them (like Naniwa) indeed don't give a shit.
and yet if people look down on this behavior you have no fans, no living, and nothing left. even if everyone is wrong, naniwa unless he was completely inept at social skills knew there would be enormous backlash against this. these same people make him what he is.
point is naniwa didnt have to do this, yes he could've 2 gate proxied and people woulda chuckled and threw it off as oh he's mentally defeated. nobody yelled at hero for his random ass 2base vs DRg yesterday. it's that easy to avoid this drama but instead he chose to do something else and is facing the criticism that could be easily predicted and avoided.
honestly, i disagree with the blizz cup format. it's worse when you have a player who's already out playing someone who's still fighting for a seed(hero vs DRG) but hero still played his game out (albeit poorly). i also think that people are overreacting and it's not a HUGE deal. however the behavior speaks volumes about naniwa himself. if he doesnt care about fans or anything apparently as you say then why even make an interview and respond?
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On December 14 2011 04:59 Russano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:55 Sandster wrote:On December 14 2011 04:52 tlin wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. "I wanted to show an entertaining match but HuK took it serious so I was caught off guard" - NesTea That's how much he would "try to win" in showmatches. But he played. For the fans. It's like taking the Brood War All-Stars games seriously (FYI - the games start out funny with everyone laughing but eventually turn serious). Naniwa said fuck you to the fans and everyone involved. and if you asked him to play a showmatch wtih a NesTea to settle their "rivalry" specifically as a thing for the fans, how do you know he wouldn't agree to it. They just straight up made him play a game he didn't want to, so he ended it the fastest way he knew how that actually involved an action (FYI more forfeitures end with worker rushes). He's not obgligated to entertain people 100 percent of the time.
He's not obligated to play, but he's expected to. Comes with the job.
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On December 14 2011 04:58 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:54 Switchy wrote:
How many people here would actually be in the mental state to try to play a good game (thats meaningless) after being knocked out 30min earlier? Its 30 minutes after being knocked out of a tournament you had really high hopes for. 30 minutes is REALLY SHORT. damn hypocrites He knew the rules before and he accepted them. P.S.: This thread wont make me a Naniwa-hater, but it shapes my opinion of Naniwa-fanboys.
Wow you look like a netizen cliché right now, not everybody is either a Naniwa-hater or a Naniwa-fanboy.
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United States22883 Posts
On December 14 2011 04:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:49 Ryps wrote:
People keep saying no one cared for the game because they were eliminated dont understand that Nestea practiced even on his birthday late at night specifically for the Naniwa game; MVP said so on his twitter
So Nestea would have played his fullest even if Naniwa would have not. I think you need to watch mvp vs nestea at blizzcon Hint : NesTea wasn't trying. He was trying, he was just trying to put on a show more than win. Naniwa wasn't trying to do either of those things, he was just trying to get out of the booth as quickly as possible. Despite what Artosis has said, Nestea still would've destroyed 99% of the world with the way he was playing.
There's a middle ground between giving it your all and giving up. A half assed 4gate falls somewhere between there. A probe rush is giving up, though. Other players have done it and gotten shit for it (IdrA) or done it and had it ignored (Stephano) because no one was watching. Naniwa chose to do it on one of the largest stages possible, in a Blizzard sponsored GOM event.
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On December 14 2011 04:58 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:55 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:52 mordk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:50 Tyrant0 wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:39 ZAiNs wrote:On December 14 2011 04:37 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
"People are just hating because it's me who did it."
Naniwa really seems to think all people all over the world are either hating or loving him. But Naniwa there are still people who don't give a shit about you. I just wanted to see another ZvP of NesTea and I paid for it. So I really hope you drop off eSports for hurting it so much. Why would you want to see a bullshit PvZ where neither player is trying their hardest? This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. But if Naniwa 4 gated, failed horribly and gg'd immediately then he was fighting with the spirit of a champion and it was worth your money. For all you know Nestea intended to throw it with the intentions of entertainment value. Also, blizzcon. Blizzcon is just pure baseless speculation. That match-fixing thing is ridiculous hahahah, I just laugh at it. NesTea just Zergbonged that game, just like he zergbonged his games agains Huk in the GSL. Speculation? Yes. Baseless? Insulting the intelligence of anyone who plays SC2 at a gold level. At this point it'd also be speculation if Naniwa decided to 4 gate instead and get it over with quickly. But he probe rushed. If you saw the NesTea vs Huk games on GSL you know NesTea is capable on Zergbonging insane games hahahaha. Unless you think NesTea would purposely drop a GSL match to Huk, which would be even more baseless.
Both baseless and controversial to Nestea and HuK fans.
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naniwa is a boss at starting controversy
id have done the same thing in his shoes
if there's no point in playing the game, why is it being played at all
there's a difference between for fun matches and matches you have to play for no reason because that's the tournament structure
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and for people saying play for the fans etc
sure, that would be ideal. but everyone always talks about player emotions. naniwa just lost 0-3, very frustrated and then he had to play for absolutely nothing vs nestea. it's not out of the realm of possibility for someone to throw a game under these circumstances. id imagine it's been done many times before, but in less obvious ways.
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On December 14 2011 05:01 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:59 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 04:55 Sandster wrote:On December 14 2011 04:52 tlin wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. "I wanted to show an entertaining match but HuK took it serious so I was caught off guard" - NesTea That's how much he would "try to win" in showmatches. But he played. For the fans. It's like taking the Brood War All-Stars games seriously (FYI - the games start out funny with everyone laughing but eventually turn serious). Naniwa said fuck you to the fans and everyone involved. and if you asked him to play a showmatch wtih a NesTea to settle their "rivalry" specifically as a thing for the fans, how do you know he wouldn't agree to it. They just straight up made him play a game he didn't want to, so he ended it the fastest way he knew how that actually involved an action (FYI more forfeitures end with worker rushes). He's not obgligated to entertain people 100 percent of the time. He's not obligated to play, but he's expected to. Comes with the job.
He did play, just not well or they way people wanted.
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On December 14 2011 04:59 Russano wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:55 Sandster wrote:On December 14 2011 04:52 tlin wrote:On December 14 2011 04:47 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:
This is the difference between Naniwa an NesTea: NesTea would try to win anyway. Nani is just a child with no fighting spirit. "I wanted to show an entertaining match but HuK took it serious so I was caught off guard" - NesTea That's how much he would "try to win" in showmatches. But he played. For the fans. It's like taking the Brood War All-Stars games seriously (FYI - the games start out funny with everyone laughing but eventually turn serious). Naniwa said fuck you to the fans and everyone involved. and if you asked him to play a showmatch wtih a NesTea to settle their "rivalry" specifically as a thing for the fans, how do you know he wouldn't agree to it. They just straight up made him play a game he didn't want to, so he ended it the fastest way he knew how that actually involved an action (FYI more forfeitures end with worker rushes). He's not obgligated to entertain people 100 percent of the time.
You guys should stop with that stupid argument.
Tournament run events because they have sponsors. Sponsors are there because peoples watch the tournaments. People watch tournaments because they want to be entertained.
If a player just leave the scene, another one will replace him. If tournaments and sponsors leave the scene, THAT will hurt the scene a lot. Players are not the pillar of eSports... players can be progamers BECAUSE of the pillars : sponsors, tournament and viewer.
If a player don't want to play is best for the viewers and for the sponsors, he should just leave the scene, because that's what the scene is all about. That's why there is a scene in the first place.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
For fuck sake, really...
Usually I keep (relatively) quiet about stuff like this, but I really feel bad for Nani for all the shit he's been getting from all directions. I mean come on; it is not the first time a player has gotten pissed off and thrown a game away. It has happened in situations more serious than this one - in this case, there was nothing (except, arguably, feelings) on the line. Both Nani and Nestea were already out of the tournament with no way to get into the Ro6.
While it may have been disrespectful of Nani to throw the game away, especially as many people have been hyping it (Quantic called it "Grudge Match of the Century"), but no one, no one gets this much shit for making a bad move.
I mean come on, Idra has thrown away more games than Naniwa has - but he doesn't get nearly as much shit as Nani has gotten for this one.
One can argue that when Idra does it, it's "cool and hilarious" because it's who he is. Well, here's news for ya: it's who Nani is, as well.
He is one of the most successful foreigners this year, and TLers, Redditers and Twitter-folks alike want to see foreigners being successful, but more than anything, we're doing a damn good job turning him off and making sure he never comes back.
I am not saying that everyone is doing wrong reacting to this, but almost everyone is overreacting, and the bad manners from many Korean pro-gamers, tradition and core values or no, are staggering and unprofessional, just as much as anything Nani has done recently.
Disgraceful.
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On December 14 2011 05:00 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:55 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 04:53 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:50 GrungyMunchy wrote:On December 14 2011 04:41 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:On December 14 2011 04:34 Russano wrote:On December 14 2011 04:32 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:26 Sea_Food wrote:On December 14 2011 04:19 The_LiNk wrote:On December 14 2011 04:09 Sea_Food wrote:
You could edit this at the end of OP
TL;DR
Some Koreans do not understand that there are people in the world with different cultures. That happens when a nation does not have enough immigrants. People there will not learn to respect other cultures within their own borders. Understanding cultures go both ways. You expect Koreans to understand Naniwa's "Western" culture of winning but you do not understand the Korean culture of respect. So ironic. Last time I checked, "fighting to the bitter end" thing is very prevalent in Western cultures. 300 and Spartans and all. Naniwa was in pissed off, so there is a reason why he dosnt act respectfully. And FYI. 300 spartans was not a documentary. 300 spartans never did kill 10 000 persians. If you havent stayed awake during history lessons, western nations give up before they have only 300 soldiers left. I don't think you understood my reference to 300 and the Spartans. I'm saying how Western culture seems to have some sort of value in fighting to the end because it's the honourable thing to do and how the lore of the Battle of Thermopylae is one of the most celebrated examples of this. Also I don't see how Naniwa being pissed off is an excuse to not act respectfully. Do Western parents really buy the candy for their child just because the child is having a temper tantrum? Yeah they do buy them the candy kinda often, and it really blows. But Naniwa sees the world differently, and probably didn't even conceive that it might be disrespectful. Im' sure he's totally shocked at how much hate he's getting for a fucking probe rush. Reading the interview I cannot see any sign of Naniwa being shocked, he still thinks he did nothing wrong, even if he denied the PAYING STARCRAFT2-FANS a game of NesTea. You think someone who's gonna play against Nestea is thinking about giving good games for the paying Nestea fans? No, they're thinking about winning the game regardless of how they do it. Naniwa, being the guy obsessed with winning that we all know, didn't care about a match that wouldn't decide anything, and acted accordingly. Blizzard Cup isn't a set of showmatches, they're not playing for your entertainment. They're playing to win. Money. A lot of it. It's not about NesTea Fans, read more careful! Well it's not about Naniwa's fans either, neither is about SC2 fans who paid for it. It's about the players only. It's their job. They make a living off of it. They don't need to give a shit about what the fans think, and some of them (like Naniwa) indeed don't give a shit. and yet if people look down on this behavior you have no fans, no living, and nothing left. even if everyone is wrong, naniwa unless he was completely inept at social skills knew there would be enormous backlash against this. these same people make him what he is. point is naniwa didnt have to do this, yes he could've 2 gate proxied and people woulda chuckled and threw it off as oh he's mentally defeated. nobody yelled at hero for his random ass 2base vs DRg yesterday. it's that easy to avoid this drama but instead he chose to do something else and is facing the criticism that could be easily predicted and avoided. honestly, i disagree with the blizz cup format. it's worse when you have a player who's already out playing someone who's still fighting for a seed(hero vs DRG) but hero still played his game out (albeit poorly). i also think that people are overreacting and it's not a HUGE deal. however the behavior speaks volumes about naniwa himself. if he doesnt care about fans or anything apparently as you say then why even make an interview and respond?
Naniwa has shown he's fairly inept at social skills, soooo yeah, I'm going with he didn't see this as a huge backlash type thing for this situation.
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On December 14 2011 04:58 Gabriel Verlaine wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 04:54 Switchy wrote:
How many people here would actually be in the mental state to try to play a good game (thats meaningless) after being knocked out 30min earlier? Its 30 minutes after being knocked out of a tournament you had really high hopes for. 30 minutes is REALLY SHORT. damn hypocrites He knew the rules before and he accepted them. P.S.: This thread wont make me a Naniwa-hater, but it shapes my opinion of Naniwa-fanboys.
No player is going to turn down a chance to play in the Blizzard Cup because they "might have to play in a meaningless placement match if they get eliminated." Also, I will bet that the rules did not say the match would be played 30 minutes after one of the players was eliminated. It is really dumb time to set a match up.
I would have more of a problem with Naniwa if he did not accept because of the possible placement match.
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