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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 13 2011 16:36 GMT
#481
These koreans are overreacting... must be something cultural. Sure, he deserves some flack for doing it, but this is just ridiculous.
sLiMpoweR
Profile Joined March 2009
United States430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:37:33
December 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#482
is this really that much worse then Koreans throwing games vrs foriegners to avoid kor on kor kills for years and years.
Team aMg
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
December 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#483
i dont get what all this drama is about... he already out so he threw the game... so what?
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:38:54
December 13 2011 16:37 GMT
#484
On December 14 2011 01:35 coljbass wrote:
Look I am not here to take sides but let's just look at it on its face. Most people are quick to point out that the match "didn't mean" anything. How would you feel if your favorite NFL team was playing in a game that meant nothing and literally just came out and took a knee every down?

The fact of the matter is we as a community do need to grow up and realize if we want to get anywhere that every broadcast game DOES matter. I can agree that this is being blown a bit out of proportion and I understand both sides of the coin but if you take the names out of the equation and just look at it on its face we should never be ok with throwing a match regardless. If it is broadcast to the fans then you are taking something away from the fans by just throwing it. That is what this should be about not about whether you like or don't like Naniwa or whether someone else did it before.

Just take your favorite sporting event and imagine your favorite team basically just forfeit the game. It is not the team that loses it is all the fans that wanted to see the game that lose.



I'd think it was a shitty game, I'd consider whether or not they should implement requirements to prevent it from happening. What I wouldn't do is penalize them for it, if it was legal. If people feel cheated out of a game, the organization has the OPTION of choosing to refund it, for publicity reasons. I just don't want people on here saying that it's required that Naniwa give a good game, when it obviously isn't. If we'd like to have a debate on instituting a system that requires that, and the merits of said system, then by all means go ahead.
Madder
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia427 Posts
December 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#485
On December 14 2011 01:36 Mecker wrote:
I can't believe the racism coming from koreans. They seemingly are reacting more strongly to this than the Coca incident. Not being allowed to play in GSL ever again? Oh please.

It's as if NaNiwa is the new + Show Spoiler +
sAviOr.


Too soon?
SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#486
On December 14 2011 01:03 drepnir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:58 SoylentCreep wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:56 Weemoed wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:55 hkf wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.

Next time you're on an operating table, pray that the doctor you have feels an obligation to be thorough, safe, and professional.

Wait he won't, because he is not obligated to do anything.

We're talking about the same thing here right? A professional maintaining a set of professional standards?


Comparing a doctor to a person playing videogames for a bit of money in a small subculture.


Actually its the same. Professional means getting payed to do something be it playing video games or cutting open people.


Naniwa isn't getting paid to play video games, he's getting paid to win.
[...]


That's just plain wrong. He gets paid by GOM/Blizzard whoever 900 $ to play in the group stages of this tournament, and his team Quantic Gaming probably pays him a solid salary to play for them. Winning is just a bonus for being better than your opponents.
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
December 13 2011 16:38 GMT
#487
I guess they were waiting for something no matter how little to happen to complain about foreigners getting seeds to gsl.
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
December 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#488
its a bad move from naniwa, all the hate he gets for it is deserved
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:40:29
December 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#489
On December 14 2011 01:38 SoylentCreep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:03 drepnir wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:58 SoylentCreep wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:56 Weemoed wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:55 hkf wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.

Next time you're on an operating table, pray that the doctor you have feels an obligation to be thorough, safe, and professional.

Wait he won't, because he is not obligated to do anything.

We're talking about the same thing here right? A professional maintaining a set of professional standards?


Comparing a doctor to a person playing videogames for a bit of money in a small subculture.


Actually its the same. Professional means getting payed to do something be it playing video games or cutting open people.


Naniwa isn't getting paid to play video games, he's getting paid to win.
[...]


That's just plain wrong. He gets paid by GOM/Blizzard whoever 900 $ to play in the group stages of this tournament, and his team Quantic Gaming probably pays him a solid salary to play for them. Winning is just a bonus for being better than your opponents.


I agree, his participation in the competition requires him to play the game, which he did. The quality is unfortunate but irrelevant. We are entitled to a game, not entitled to a good game.
zachMEISTER
Profile Joined December 2010
United States625 Posts
December 13 2011 16:40 GMT
#490
I think revoking his GSL seed punishes him for nothing. Just because you paid to watch the Blizzard CUP doesn't mean that EVERY SINGLE FUCKING GAME YOU WATCH is going to be awesome. Just because ONE PLAYER in ONE GAME that had absolutely NO EFFECT on the outcome decides to quit wasting his time and festering in his frustration and probe-all-in doesn't mean he's not PROFESSIONAL. They must forget that we're all humans and we show our weaknesses often. Naniwa is just an angry individual who frustration issues. He doesn't deserve to have his GSL seed revoked.

He earned the GSL seed.
psillypsybic!
Kfcnoob
Profile Joined January 2011
United States296 Posts
December 13 2011 16:41 GMT
#491
dude that is hilarious ; from naniwa's perspective he had no incentive to play but i guess the purpose of the blizzardcup was to show great games between great players. in that case i can see why people were annoyed
And Artosis sayeth "the one who kills many, but loses few, comes out ahead."
Flondra
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada56 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:44:31
December 13 2011 16:42 GMT
#492
Nestea and Naniwa were eliminated already, and you people expected to see the peak of performance from both Naniwa and Nestea? They had nothing to play for, especially Naniwa. The guy has gone through a lot of drama recently and recieves so much hate from the community it's hard to perform for your fans when everyone lashes out against him for anything he does.

Also, naniwa earned his code S seed by his ability, if you don't like him as a player then ignore him. This was an inconsequential match. Coca threw a match that had consequences and yet the backlash against him was far more tempered, most people here are going after Naniwa because of his personality.
BlindSight754
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada156 Posts
December 13 2011 16:43 GMT
#493
I refuse to give money to an organization that would punish a player like Naniwa over an incident so insignificant as this.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#494
Revoking his GSL seed? what the fuck, are these people serious? he got cheesed in all his previous games and decided to cheese in the last one.. are we gonna punish him coz his cheese didn't work? this is absurd...
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#495
On December 14 2011 01:42 Flondra wrote:
Nestea and Naniwa were eliminated already, and you people expected to see the peak of performance from both Naniwa and Nestea? They had nothing to play for, especially Naniwa. The guy has gone through a lot of drama recently and recieves so much hate from the community it's hard to perform for your fans when everyone lashes out against him for anything he does.

NesTea was willing to play it out, according to the tournament rules... that's the normal behaviour.
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:51:10
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#496
On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum.

Edit: Another way you can see it, there are thousands of aspiring pro gamers who would love to be in Naniwa's position playing at the Blizzard Cup, to do something like this, despite the importance of the game is very spoiled. I had this kind of attitude playing competative golf during High School, I was named all-state after massively improving but one tournament I simply left the course at the turn because I had a horrendous front 9. In hind-sight it was stupid as shit and I was suspended from the next tournament because of it and I caught alot of flak from my coaches which I know I deserved, Naniwa's case isn't much different.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:45:36
December 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#497
On December 14 2011 01:35 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:32 sitromit wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:27 Russano wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:20 sitromit wrote:



How you compare the Germany vs Austria game to this is beyond me. That game was an example of something completely unrelated, which is teams not wanting to take any risks and playing for a draw or status-quo in group stages of tournaments, which has to do with the nature and rules of soccer itself. After Germany scored a goal, they had what they wanted, so they played to keep the current score, because they didn't want to give up a goal to a counter attack and get eliminated and Austria went along because they were afraid to give up even more goals and get eliminated if they attacked, trying to even up the score. It's for the same reason that they changed rules regarding goalies' handling of the ball and back passes. Teams playing for a draw (or even sometimes for a close loss as in this example) in games they're too afraid to lose is still a problem in soccer, but has nothing to do with throwing a game.


It was just one of many examples of someone "not giving it their all" to win a game. The objective isn't always to win, and people here are insisting that is, which is ridiculous. Naniwa got what he wanted, what he intended. End the game very quickly as it doesn't matter and he doesn't want to play. That game, Austria's goal wasn't to win, therefor its acceptable that they play for what they are after, not losing by alot. It just happens that their goal coincided with their opponents goal. This is what happens when you take winning/losing out of the equation and play matches that don't matter. Secondary objectives become primary objectives and that doesn't always make it interesting for the spectators.



So? They gave it their all to play very defensively, not taking any risks. Germany did the same after scoring the early goal and getting what they wanted. Had they not been able to score the early goal, the game could have been very different, we've seen so many examples of this. It's the nature of soccer, where attacking leaves you open for counter attacks against a defensive team, that causes these kinds of games to happen. What Naniwa and Nestea played could be compared more to an exhibition match, since it had nothing riding on in at that point, and in those kinds of games teams usually play attacking football that's entertaining to watch for the fans, because they're not too worried about the score.


In that case, Naniwa gave it his all to ending the game as quickly as possible. He gave it his all to complete his objective just like they did. So what's YOUR point?


The point is there's a difference between playing not to lose so you can make it further in a tournament and throwing a game. It may not be best for the fans, for that particular game, but ultimately no one is going to complain because their team made it to the quarterfinals or whatever. In this case the greater goal of winning the tournament supersedes the lesser goal of winning that particular game. In the case of Naniwa vs Nestea, there was no greater goal, the only goal should have been to win for pride, and for the fans. Apparently Naniwa has no pride and no respect for the fans who paid to watch them play.
Licit
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan237 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 21:52:25
December 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#498
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:48:17
December 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#499
On December 14 2011 01:38 SoylentCreep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:03 drepnir wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:58 SoylentCreep wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:56 Weemoed wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:55 hkf wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.

Next time you're on an operating table, pray that the doctor you have feels an obligation to be thorough, safe, and professional.

Wait he won't, because he is not obligated to do anything.

We're talking about the same thing here right? A professional maintaining a set of professional standards?


Comparing a doctor to a person playing videogames for a bit of money in a small subculture.


Actually its the same. Professional means getting payed to do something be it playing video games or cutting open people.


Naniwa isn't getting paid to play video games, he's getting paid to win.
[...]


That's just plain wrong. He gets paid by GOM/Blizzard whoever 900 $ to play in the group stages of this tournament, and his team Quantic Gaming probably pays him a solid salary to play for them. Winning is just a bonus for being better than your opponents.


hes being paid to play, but its his choice on how he chooses to play. theres no sliding scale of how good you have to be to deserve the money they offered up to compete. nestea doesnt get 99% of the money and nani only 30% for the matches he played "for real". your argument makes no sense



On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts.


to be fair them, much of what they said is other peoples comments they are just quoting. i cant remember what exactly was said about the esvgate but they were pretty harsh too.

what i dont like about what they said is that he doesnt deserve to be a pro gamer. these are the same teams who had no problems with their players doing scv all ins EVERY GAME in season 1, they did them "better" than nani, but it still doesnt live up to their own ideals of being professional.

SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#500
As much as i despise his actions, revoking his GSL seed or other forms of "punishment" is just BS. He did nothing wrong on a legal level, whatever somebody may think on an ethical level.
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