An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 24

On December 14 2011 01:02 Russano wrote:



Yes there have been http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Germany_v_Austria_(1982)

Professional teams will half ass games to get better draft picks when actually winning the game no longer becomes the goal.

Kobe Bryant famously didn't shoot in game 7 of the western conference finals, to prove how shit his team was.

This situation happens alot more in starcraft then people think, the only reason anyone is paying attention is because the game lasted around a minute.

There have been numerous other examples in this thread already.

On December 14 2011 01:20 rblstr wrote:


So Naniwa didn't play his absolute best in his first 3 games against cheesy as fuck Koreans? So what Nani threw the last game, he played exceptionally well in his first 3 so how about we focus on that instead of this stupid drama bullshit.

On December 14 2011 01:17 MayorITC wrote:
By not paying for DH/MLG, they'll lose money and a viewer (me). While money and exposure are important, having classy professional players will help generate those two and establish e-sports as a serious industry. Maybe when e-sports becomes mainstream, you'll have room for mavericks, but right now I believe that people like Naniwa are hurting the scene. All I saw from Naniwa today was a selfish kid who doesn't know the hardships of a vocation - an individual that doesn't help e-sport's image. If MLG/DH are tolerant of his behavior then I don't think that's going to help e-sports. Therefore I'm not really hurting the scene by refusing to support DH/MLG.

On December 14 2011 01:15 SonOfMKP wrote:


It makes me feel bad to be an American when I read stupid shit like this.

Pretty much sums up a great comparison of your argument.

On December 14 2011 01:20 sitromit wrote:



How you compare the Germany vs Austria game to this is beyond me. That game was an example of something completely unrelated, which is teams not wanting to take any risks and playing for a draw or status-quo in group stages of tournaments, which has to do with the nature and rules of soccer itself. After Germany scored a goal, they had what they wanted, so they played to keep the current score, because they didn't want to give up a goal to a counter attack and get eliminated and Austria went along because they were afraid to give up even more goals and get eliminated if they attacked, trying to even up the score. It's for the same reason that they changed rules regarding goalies' handling of the ball and back passes. Teams playing for a draw (or even sometimes for a close loss as in this example) in games they're too afraid to lose is still a problem in soccer, but has nothing to do with throwing a game.

On December 14 2011 01:24 BritWrangler wrote:
Naniwa acting like a spoiled child. It's pathetic and if esports is to become mainstream then petty, immature behaviour like this cannot happen.

On December 14 2011 01:29 Demidyne wrote:
I dont understand, we have had other people in GSL events withdraw from inconsequential games. How is this different.

On December 14 2011 01:25 ih8Australia wrote:
well its fair for people to complain. People bought tickets to see quality matches regardless. Naniwa was upset and cbf playing seriously so he just threw away the game. Everything is just for money. Playing to win for money.. gomtv broadcasting awesome games for money. And woodi la its all for money. Naniwa might not have gone any further to win any money but there was that "famous rivalry that im sure some people were eager to watch the battle of the starcraft pride. The controversy was high between them too and could of drawled alot of viewers in to watch. Naniwa could of been exposed more to sponsors noting that people want to see him vs nestea etc.. So perhap if Naniwa thought about external income from potential sponsors he could of played properly and maybe if he even beat nestea for a third time and doing some dance or what ever around him.. who knows what could of happened... its all about money and he should of thought about the match potential money wise .

On December 14 2011 01:27 Russano wrote:


It was just one of many examples of someone "not giving it their all" to win a game. The objective isn't always to win, and people here are insisting that is, which is ridiculous. Naniwa got what he wanted, what he intended. End the game very quickly as it doesn't matter and he doesn't want to play. That game, Austria's goal wasn't to win, therefor its acceptable that they play for what they are after, not losing by alot. It just happens that their goal coincided with their opponents goal. This is what happens when you take winning/losing out of the equation and play matches that don't matter. Secondary objectives become primary objectives and that doesn't always make it interesting for the spectators.

On December 14 2011 01:25 ih8Australia wrote:
well its fair for people to complain. People bought tickets to see quality matches regardless. Naniwa was upset and cbf playing seriously so he just threw away the game. Everything is just for money. Playing to win for money.. gomtv broadcasting awesome games for money. And woodi la its all for money. Naniwa might not have gone any further to win any money but there was that "famous rivalry that im sure some people were eager to watch the battle of the starcraft pride. The controversy was high between them too and could of drawled alot of viewers in to watch. Naniwa could of been exposed more to sponsors noting that people want to see him vs nestea etc.. So perhap if Naniwa thought about external income from potential sponsors he could of played properly and maybe if he even beat nestea for a third time and doing some dance or what ever around him.. who knows what could of happened... its all about money and he should of thought about the match potential money wise .

On December 14 2011 01:32 sitromit wrote:


So? They gave it their all to play very defensively, not taking any risks. Germany did the same after scoring the early goal and getting what they wanted. Had they not been able to score the early goal, the game could have been very different, we've seen so many examples of this. It's the nature of soccer, where attacking leaves you open for counter attacks against a defensive team, that causes these kinds of games to happen. What Naniwa and Nestea played could be compared more to an exhibition match, since it had nothing riding on in at that point, and in those kinds of games teams usually play attacking football that's entertaining to watch for the fans, because they're not too worried about the score.