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s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#501
On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts.

agreed..
zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
December 13 2011 16:46 GMT
#502
On December 14 2011 01:44 s4life wrote:
Revoking his GSL seed? what the fuck, are these people serious? he got cheesed in all his previous games and decided to cheese in the last one.. are we gonna punish him coz his cheese didn't work? this is absurd...



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Tanag
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada204 Posts
December 13 2011 16:47 GMT
#503
I think all this name calling and bashing are more detrimental to eSports than throwing a game. This kind of drama won't shed a good light for anyone. It's all a damn shame.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 13 2011 16:47 GMT
#504
On December 14 2011 01:46 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts.

agreed..

This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:48:56
December 13 2011 16:47 GMT
#505
On December 14 2011 01:44 sitromit wrote:


The point is there's a difference between playing not to lose so you can make it further in a tournament and throwing a game. It may not be best for the fans, for that particular game, but ultimately no one is going to complain because their team made it to the quarterfinals or whatever. In this case the greater goal of winning the tournament supersedes the lesser goal of winning that particular game. In the case of Naniwa vs Nestea, there was no greater goal, the only goal should have been to win for pride, and for the fans. Apparently Naniwa has no pride and no respect for the fans who paid to watch them play.

That's just a matter of opinion. YOU thought he should play for X reason. Naniwa thought he should play for Y reason. Both are viable opinions. YOU can choose to not like him for his choice. But in no way, should he be sanctioned for them. If you think Y reason shouldn't be allowed anymore, thats a separate argument.

My whole argument is a policy debate on , Naniwa did something bad, so we should punish him. My argument is that while not good, he didn't do anything against the rules, so he shouldn't be punished.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
December 13 2011 16:47 GMT
#506
What annoys me the most about some of the posts here is that some of you seem to group the entire Korean population into a single entity and antagonize them. "The Koreans throw games too. OH THE HYPOCRISY. FOREIGNERS FIGHTING"

Did this article ever say "Oh all foreigners are bad mannered and unprofessional!@#"? I don't seem to remember reading anything like that.

The Korean forums have differing opinions on this incident, just like TL. Also, some individuals have acted unprofessionally before themselves and some have not. The Koreans actually aren't hive clusters under the Overmind control contrary to a popular belief.
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
December 13 2011 16:49 GMT
#507
On December 14 2011 01:44 TheRPGAddict wrote:
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On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum.

temper tantrum? have you ever been in any type of event with a semi competitive enviroment and lost a huge game (MMA vs Nani) and been forced to play a meaningless game after. Its probably one of the most painful things to do in sports, many times these games are forfited before even being played because one team or player is, for lack of a better word, heartbroken and no longers cares about a meaningless game. It was the furthest thing from a temper tantrum
SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 16:49 GMT
#508
On December 14 2011 01:46 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:38 SoylentCreep wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:03 drepnir wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:58 SoylentCreep wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:56 Weemoed wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:55 hkf wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything.

Next time you're on an operating table, pray that the doctor you have feels an obligation to be thorough, safe, and professional.

Wait he won't, because he is not obligated to do anything.

We're talking about the same thing here right? A professional maintaining a set of professional standards?


Comparing a doctor to a person playing videogames for a bit of money in a small subculture.


Actually its the same. Professional means getting payed to do something be it playing video games or cutting open people.


Naniwa isn't getting paid to play video games, he's getting paid to win.
[...]


That's just plain wrong. He gets paid by GOM/Blizzard whoever 900 $ to play in the group stages of this tournament, and his team Quantic Gaming probably pays him a solid salary to play for them. Winning is just a bonus for being better than your opponents.


hes being paid to play, but its his choice on how he chooses to play. theres no sliding scale of how good you have to be to deserve the money they offered up to compete. nestea doesnt get 99% of the money and nani only 30% for the matches he played "for real". your argument makes no sense


What argument in gods name are you talking about? AGAIN, he gets paid money to play video games (SC2). Thats the only argument i stated.Don't know what you're going at, dude.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States434 Posts
December 13 2011 16:50 GMT
#509
On December 14 2011 01:49 SoylentCreep wrote:

What argument in gods name are you talking about? AGAIN, he gets paid money to play video games (SC2). Thats the only argument i stated.Don't know what you're going at, dude.


I believe you two are agreeing lol.
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
December 13 2011 16:51 GMT
#510
is naniwa going to give a shit about this drama? fuck no. and neither should anyone else
SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#511
On December 14 2011 01:50 Russano wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 SoylentCreep wrote:

What argument in gods name are you talking about? AGAIN, he gets paid money to play video games (SC2). Thats the only argument i stated.Don't know what you're going at, dude.


I believe you two are agreeing lol.


Yeah I think so too. Everything is so heated up here that some people start seeing mirages.^^
TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:54:27
December 13 2011 16:53 GMT
#512
On December 14 2011 01:49 ToasteR_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:44 TheRPGAddict wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum.

temper tantrum? have you ever been in any type of event with a semi competitive enviroment and lost a huge game (MMA vs Nani) and been forced to play a meaningless game after. Its probably one of the most painful things to do in sports, many times these games are forfited before even being played because one team or player is, for lack of a better word, heartbroken and no longers cares about a meaningless game. It was the furthest thing from a temper tantrum
Yup, I played competitive golf all throughout high school and every summer and I know the feeling after having a bad front 9 or first day of 18 but you gotta play it out. I learned it the hard way after acting like Naniwa a few times. Don't talk to me like I have no experience with sports.
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
December 13 2011 16:54 GMT
#513
lol, SC2 community is so sensitive its scary.
SoylentCreep
Profile Joined September 2010
Korea (South)176 Posts
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#514
On December 14 2011 01:54 cellblock wrote:
lol, SC2 community is so sensitive its scary.


We just care... (at least i do)^^
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:57:52
December 13 2011 16:55 GMT
#515
On December 14 2011 01:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ToasteR_ wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:44 TheRPGAddict wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum.

temper tantrum? have you ever been in any type of event with a semi competitive enviroment and lost a huge game (MMA vs Nani) and been forced to play a meaningless game after. Its probably one of the most painful things to do in sports, many times these games are forfited before even being played because one team or player is, for lack of a better word, heartbroken and no longers cares about a meaningless game. It was the furthest thing from a temper tantrum
Yup, I played competitive golf all throughout high school and every summer and I know the feeling after having a bad front 9 or first day of 18 but you gotta play it out. I learned it the hard way after acting like Naniwa a few times. Don't talk to me like I have no experience with sports.


Thank you, finally someone providing something that isn't repeated every page of three threads. Would you mind elaborating your example to the golf-ignorant such as myself?

Edit: Darn, wrong thread. Would you mind elaborating in this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294331
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ForevaADrone
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom32 Posts
December 13 2011 16:56 GMT
#516
Not an overreaction at all. Imagine it's the end of a football (soccer to Americans) season and some of the teams in the middle of the table know they cannot win and they know that they cannot be relegated to a lower league either. Their final game is "pointless" as it will have no effect whatsoever on the end result. We could even set up the example so that neither team would even change position in the league table no matter their result. These situations do happen.

Now imagine that both teams just stood there and did nothing. For the whole 90 minutes. Maybe sit down and have a sandwich and make a few passes with the ball. Anyone who enjoys football and takes it seriously will see this not only as a waste of their time (which they paid for) but also unsportsmanlike and an insult to fans. This is exactly what Nani has done.

To all citing a cultural divide, think what the reaction would be in your culture if a team, or individual, didn't bother making an effort in their respective because they knew it wouldn't change the end result. If you don't think the reaction would be the same, then you are very misinformed.

No cultural divide at all, just poor behaviour by Nani. Maybe QxG can help him out with his behaviour, but he should gracefully accept the criticism and his penalisation from GSL, just as any other sportsman should do the same if they behaved as so.
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#517
On December 14 2011 01:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:49 ToasteR_ wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:44 TheRPGAddict wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed.
In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum.

temper tantrum? have you ever been in any type of event with a semi competitive enviroment and lost a huge game (MMA vs Nani) and been forced to play a meaningless game after. Its probably one of the most painful things to do in sports, many times these games are forfited before even being played because one team or player is, for lack of a better word, heartbroken and no longers cares about a meaningless game. It was the furthest thing from a temper tantrum
Yup, I played competitive golf all throughout high school and every summer and I know the feeling after having a bad front 9 or first day of 18 but you gotta play it out. I learned it the hard way after acting like Naniwa a few times. Don't talk to me like I have no experience with sports.

Golf is a little different because everyone could choke. The situation would be like making you play otu day 3 and 4 after missing the cut on day 2. After a bad 9 of 18 the entire field could have a terrible back 9 and you could end up in contention. You arent mathematically eliminated yet.
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#518
On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:46 s4life wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts.

agreed..

This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic.


seriously? Look at what they did to Coca for an online game....... god some posts are so retarded I just....
IMNestea's biggest fan.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
December 13 2011 16:58 GMT
#519


to be fair them, much of what they said is other peoples comments they are just quoting. i cant remember what exactly was said about the esvgate but they were pretty harsh too.


Just imagine if TL made their articles quoting total randoms from forums and reddit.
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pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
December 13 2011 16:59 GMT
#520
I disrespect the words from MVP Team... This doesn't sound like an official, respectable statement.

What makes us even angrier is that it was Nestea's birthday but he refused to stop practising for today. That is not a way of an opponent player.


This doesn't make any sense. In other circumstances this would be prised... What the heck?
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