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On December 14 2011 02:03 crms wrote:
well this is certainly blown out of proportion.. not a pro gamer? Interesting.
I believe by pro they mean professional which as a fact means you do something as a profession, like in getting payed for it and having a professional mindset,attitude and aptitude. Therefore it means that you put in effort even for meaningless games or showmatches because you get payed to do so be it salary-wise or in form of money payout by the tournament organizers.
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On December 14 2011 02:01 Tofugrinder wrote:
great article, we can only hope that naniwa will get disqualified from the gsl and all gsl partner tournaments (mlg, don't know if there are others). Quantic obvisiously should release him or at least handle the situation
I hope TL disqualifies you from posting.
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Korean culture is very different from "western".
Blizzard is a company from USA, with a game made in the USA.
Blizzard Cup is an international tournament - does it mean that its only korean culture laws? -Hmm...
Koreans are basically taught to not be special in any manner, to blend in with the crowd. A huge amount has the same haircut and act the same, there are many "hidden rules" one is taught.
So for one person to do such a bold move as to not be a "zombie" alll the time, is shocking for some some 
//Not saying whether it was 100% good or 100% bad, simply analysis.
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This article is pure racism bias, more to think that Koreans really want Kespa to regulate them like honor full slaves.
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On December 14 2011 02:01 Mecker wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 s4life wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts. agreed.. This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. It is blatantly obvious that the korean reaction is based on pure racism towards foreigners. Compare their reaction to similar things (worse things) done by koreans.
WTF seriously, we are bringing in the racist card here?
First of all, the reaction was just a selection of comments. Probably the more extreme ones. Its just like me taking 4 - 5 of the worst comments out here and putting it in an article. Please all of you, stop overreacting. Its like overreacting to trolls.
And i think why most of the foreigners don't think that it is a big deal is because our e-sports scene isn't very professional, unlike the korean one. To the koreans, having the skills to play on TV is a really big opportunity for them and they want to do the best. Naniwa pissed on this, so obviously they will dislike him. Whats so hard to understand about that?
And in the English Premier League (Soccer), Manchester United took games easy by fielding their reserves after they won the title and i assure you there was an utter shitstorm around it from all the various communities.
This is not exclusive to Korea. Please grow up and stop hating thanks.
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I dont see why its such a big deal. I mean it is a dissapointment to fans but it was just a pointless game where nothing was on the line. Naniwa lost his cool. This must be the first time anyone EVERRRRRR did something dumb in a game before -.-
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On December 14 2011 02:07 Usagi wrote:
This article is pure racism bias, more to think that Koreans really want Kespa to regulate them like honor full slaves.
Jesus christ. Are these types of posts seriously okay?
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On December 14 2011 02:00 SKYFISH_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 s4life wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts. agreed.. This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. explain this INSANE backlash over a POINTLESS game and then compare it to how koreans reacted to CoCa's recent actions.
CoCa was pressured into giving up his Code S spot and forced into Slayers' B team and then made to "reflect" on it and where do you see CoCa now? Answer, you don't see him.
And the thing is, CoCa played a game NOT ON TV so not as many people knew and talked about it at the time.
I can't believe people are bringing racism into this.
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On December 14 2011 02:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:07 Usagi wrote:
This article is pure racism bias, more to think that Koreans really want Kespa to regulate them like honor full slaves.
Jesus christ. Are these types of posts seriously okay?
Agreed. Talk about irony as well.....
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The reason why this is being made a big deal of is because it was unprofessional. SC2 is striving to be compared to professional sports, and attracting a huge viewer base. Let's parallel this situation to a hypothetical sports situation. The World Cup of soccer has a group stage and then elimination. Let's say for example in the group stage two teams are 2-0 and the other two teams are 0-2. both 0-2 teams cannot qualify for the elimination stage. So one team just scores on their own net and aren't trying to win the game at all. How would that go over with the fans for that match? I am sure they wouldn't be too happy either. They paid for those tickets and they want to see the highest quality soccer match between two teams.
This is another hurtle that professional gaming has to overcome because when people as skilled as Naniwa act immaturely it makes the whole of E-sports look bad. It's just overall bad for the reputation and should not be repeated.
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On December 14 2011 02:08 raf3776 wrote:
I dont see why its such a big deal. I mean it is a dissapointment to fans but it was just a pointless game where nothing was on the line. Naniwa lost his cool. This must be the first time anyone EVERRRRRR did something dumb in a game before -.-
You seem to forget that Coca got his Code S spot stripped from him, by his team, because he did something dumb in a game with nothing on the line.
Koreans take their Starcraft serious.
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On December 14 2011 02:05 TheRPGAddict wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:58 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 01:53 TheRPGAddict wrote:On December 14 2011 01:49 ToasteR_ wrote:On December 14 2011 01:44 TheRPGAddict wrote:On December 13 2011 22:46 Odal wrote:
Wow. Really? The entire post is just insulting Naniwa. Even idra didn't get this much shit when he threw games when he was pissed. In Idra's mind the games he prematurely gg'd he convinced himself it was a lost cause despite his best efforts at the time, from the start. This is definitely not the same as what Naniwa did who just chucked the game from the beginning because he was having a temper tantrum. temper tantrum? have you ever been in any type of event with a semi competitive enviroment and lost a huge game (MMA vs Nani) and been forced to play a meaningless game after. Its probably one of the most painful things to do in sports, many times these games are forfited before even being played because one team or player is, for lack of a better word, heartbroken and no longers cares about a meaningless game. It was the furthest thing from a temper tantrum Yup, I played competitive golf all throughout high school and every summer and I know the feeling after having a bad front 9 or first day of 18 but you gotta play it out. I learned it the hard way after acting like Naniwa a few times. Don't talk to me like I have no experience with sports. Golf is a little different because everyone could choke. The situation would be like making you play otu day 3 and 4 after missing the cut on day 2. After a bad 9 of 18 the entire field could have a terrible back 9 and you could end up in contention. You arent mathematically eliminated yet. Intuitively your chances of accomplishing anything are done and golf is alot mentally tougher than starcraft in this respect simply because of how much more tedious it is. You have approximately 10 more hours to be out on the course (tournament rounds take forever) and a whole other day to be at the tournament site for no good reason. I would rather be talking to my pro or practicing rather than playing the next "pointless" 18 or 27 holes of golf.
No i agree i play golf all summer so i understand how damn long those tourney rounds take. I`m just saying mathematically you havent been eliminated, regardless of your current emotional state, but once you are and there is nothing on the line between the two players the games shouldnt be played. Much like how the players who miss the cut dont play the last 2 rounds of golf.
I agree with the rather be talking to your pro and honeslty from what ive gathered from Nani`s personality in interviews and how bad he wants to win, he probably just wanted to go back to ST house and look over the games/practise more instead of having to play a "pointless" game.
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On December 14 2011 02:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:07 Usagi wrote:
This article is pure racism bias, more to think that Koreans really want Kespa to regulate them like honor full slaves.
Jesus christ. Are these types of posts seriously okay?
I don't know if Jesus will answer you. You should pray about it and wait and see.
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Except Nani had already played his "game" You can't compare 90 minutes of live-action sports to a 15-minute video game. He lost 3 close sets, and decided it wasn't worth playing one last, meaningless game.
I can, I did, and it is a sensible comparison. You poisoned the well by asserting that the game was "meaningless". The argument I gave is that even if it was "meaningless" (i.e. has no baring on the overall result - amazing that people here think that this makes a game meaningless) Naniwa still had the duty to play it out to his best ability.
If you don't think the comparison is apt, then you cannot think that SC2 in Korea is a sport on equal level to football in Europe. Seems bizarre why you would think that given the money and prestige involved.
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Pathetic behaviour. I laugh at them.
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On December 14 2011 01:49 SoylentCreep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 01:46 turdburgler wrote:On December 14 2011 01:38 SoylentCreep wrote:On December 14 2011 01:03 drepnir wrote:On December 14 2011 00:58 SoylentCreep wrote:On December 14 2011 00:56 Weemoed wrote:On December 14 2011 00:55 hkf wrote:On December 14 2011 00:46 scatmango2 wrote:
All these fucking Koreans crying like it's the end of the world need to grow the fuck up man...Naniwa can do whatever the FUCK he wants to do is not obligated to do anything. Next time you're on an operating table, pray that the doctor you have feels an obligation to be thorough, safe, and professional. Wait he won't, because he is not obligated to do anything. We're talking about the same thing here right? A professional maintaining a set of professional standards? Comparing a doctor to a person playing videogames for a bit of money in a small subculture. Actually its the same. Professional means getting payed to do something be it playing video games or cutting open people. Naniwa isn't getting paid to play video games, he's getting paid to win. [...] That's just plain wrong. He gets paid by GOM/Blizzard whoever 900 $ to play in the group stages of this tournament, and his team Quantic Gaming probably pays him a solid salary to play for them. Winning is just a bonus for being better than your opponents. hes being paid to play, but its his choice on how he chooses to play. theres no sliding scale of how good you have to be to deserve the money they offered up to compete. nestea doesnt get 99% of the money and nani only 30% for the matches he played "for real". your argument makes no sense What argument in gods name are you talking about? AGAIN, he gets paid money to play video games (SC2). Thats the only argument i stated.Don't know what you're going at, dude.
your stating that after being invited he is obligated to play "well" whether on purpose or not. and im stating that once hes been invited he can do what he wants. if he chooses to represent himself badly thats his choice. if blizzard decide to not invite him again, thats their choice too. he was paid 900 to play and he did play. you dont get to decide if he earned his money or not.
On December 14 2011 02:10 bonifaceviii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:08 raf3776 wrote:
I dont see why its such a big deal. I mean it is a dissapointment to fans but it was just a pointless game where nothing was on the line. Naniwa lost his cool. This must be the first time anyone EVERRRRRR did something dumb in a game before -.- You seem to forget that Coca got his Code S spot stripped from him, by his team, because he did something dumb in a game with nothing on the line. Koreans take their Starcraft serious.
no, they take their image "seriously" outside the public eye they do plenty of dumb shit thats not honorable. its when it blows up around the world that they overreact. i dont think anyone with a level head thought coca should lose his code s spot in that situation either. baning saviour for life for cheating, and yet in other pro leagues cheating normally means 1-2 year bans.
they have a history of being extreme in both directions.
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On December 14 2011 02:09 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:00 SKYFISH_ wrote:On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 s4life wrote:On December 14 2011 01:46 Licit wrote:
thisisgame is obviously just a bunch of racist cunts. agreed.. This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. explain this INSANE backlash over a POINTLESS game and then compare it to how koreans reacted to CoCa's recent actions. CoCa was pressured into giving up his Code S spot and forced into Slayers' B team and then made to "reflect" on it and where do you see CoCa now? Answer, you don't see him. And the thing is, CoCa played a game NOT ON TV so not as many people knew and talked about it at the time. I can't believe people are bringing racism into this.
Can we have Coca back ;_;
He is one of the most promising Zergs in SC2 ;_;
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On December 14 2011 02:10 chadus wrote:
The reason why this is being made a big deal of is because it was unprofessional. SC2 is striving to be compared to professional sports, and attracting a huge viewer base. Let's parallel this situation to a hypothetical sports situation. The World Cup of soccer has a group stage and then elimination. Let's say for example in the group stage two teams are 2-0 and the other two teams are 0-2. both 0-2 teams cannot qualify for the elimination stage. So one team just scores on their own net and aren't trying to win the game at all. How would that go over with the fans for that match? I am sure they wouldn't be too happy either. They paid for those tickets and they want to see the highest quality soccer match between two teams.
This is another hurtle that professional gaming has to overcome because when people as skilled as Naniwa act immaturely it makes the whole of E-sports look bad. It's just overall bad for the reputation and should not be repeated.
Please quit bringing up the same situation that has alredy been addressed. But I don't know why I even bother, it's an internet forum, guess I'm just in the mood for a debate today.
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Ok... seriously, I'm ok with people agreeing or disagreeing with Naniwa's actions and while I'm annoyed at someone calling the article racist, I'm pissed off at certain people calling the Koreans (tens of millions of people here!) racist...
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On December 14 2011 02:11 zachMEISTER wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2011 02:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:On December 14 2011 02:07 Usagi wrote:
This article is pure racism bias, more to think that Koreans really want Kespa to regulate them like honor full slaves.
Jesus christ. Are these types of posts seriously okay? I don't know if Jesus will answer you. You should pray about it and wait and see.
You're really cool and edgy, good one.
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