EPTOn December 13 2011 23:11 Zalithian wrote:
Expecting people to be respectful is indeed VERY rude.
Expecting people to be respectful is indeed VERY rude.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but that's true.
An article on Naniwa from Thisisgame - Page 27
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but that's true. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:58 Flowjo wrote: seriously? Look at what they did to Coca for an online game....... god some posts are so retarded I just.... Are you talking about my post? If so how is Coca getting punished relevant to thisisgame being racist? He got a severe punishment and he's korean. | ||
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b0rt_
Norway931 Posts
Classic comment this. Not sure if Idra will be insulted or pleased. | ||
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SKYFISH_
Bulgaria990 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote: This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. explain this INSANE backlash over a POINTLESS game and then compare it to how koreans reacted to CoCa's recent actions. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43770 Posts
He knew he couldn't move on even if he had won, and he doesn't care about second-to-last place... so I'm not surprised he didn't want to play out the match. He was probably just frustrated and didn't care at that point. Total overreaction in my opinion from the press. I would have liked to see an epic game too, but Naniwa isn't destroying the game. It's not like he suicided games that mattered for moving forward. It's an honor thing, and maybe some people care, but he didn't... and he's the one in the booth. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:56 ForevaADrone wrote: Not an overreaction at all. Imagine it's the end of a football (soccer to Americans) season and some of the teams in the middle of the table know they cannot win and they know that they cannot be relegated to a lower league either. Their final game is "pointless" as it will have no effect whatsoever on the end result. We could even set up the example so that neither team would even change position in the league table no matter their result. These situations do happen. Now imagine that both teams just stood there and did nothing. For the whole 90 minutes. Maybe sit down and have a sandwich and make a few passes with the ball. Anyone who enjoys football and takes it seriously will see this not only as a waste of their time (which they paid for) but also unsportsmanlike and an insult to fans. This is exactly what Nani has done. To all citing a cultural divide, think what the reaction would be in your culture if a team, or individual, didn't bother making an effort in their respective because they knew it wouldn't change the end result. If you don't think the reaction would be the same, then you are very misinformed. No cultural divide at all, just poor behaviour by Nani. Maybe QxG can help him out with his behaviour, but he should gracefully accept the criticism and his penalisation from GSL, just as any other sportsman should do the same if they behaved as so. It's really not all that unusual to see matches being thrown in football in order to get an advantage further down the line. The question is how much you're supposed to lie about what you're doing. You like it when people lie more about what they're doing, naniwa doesn't like the lying. Probably now he'll learn to lie, but that's all it is. | ||
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Russano
United States425 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:56 ForevaADrone wrote: Not an overreaction at all. Imagine it's the end of a football (soccer to Americans) season and some of the teams in the middle of the table know they cannot win and they know that they cannot be relegated to a lower league either. Their final game is "pointless" as it will have no effect whatsoever on the end result. We could even set up the example so that neither team would even change position in the league table no matter their result. These situations do happen. Now imagine that both teams just stood there and did nothing. For the whole 90 minutes. Maybe sit down and have a sandwich and make a few passes with the ball. Anyone who enjoys football and takes it seriously will see this not only as a waste of their time (which they paid for) but also unsportsmanlike and an insult to fans. This is exactly what Nani has done. To all citing a cultural divide, think what the reaction would be in your culture if a team, or individual, didn't bother making an effort in their respective because they knew it wouldn't change the end result. If you don't think the reaction would be the same, then you are very misinformed. No cultural divide at all, just poor behaviour by Nani. Maybe QxG can help him out with his behaviour, but he should gracefully accept the criticism and his penalisation from GSL, just as any other sportsman should do the same if they behaved as so. Yes, but that would be within the confines of the rules. If two football teams decide to stand still or not, they have the choice., they fucking can. You're allowed to say you feel cheated and demand your money back, or not. The game organizers/team can then decide whether they want to refund your seat or not. The league can then decide, whether they want to implement rules to prevent you from just standing there, OR decide not to. However, if there was no rule in place, you can't just go and fine the players for standing still, unless it is a breach of the parameters of whatever system. If it wasn't against the rules they can't be punished for it this time. You're allowed to fucking hate Naniwa for this, but objectively he shouldn't be penalized. If after this, they say you can't forfeit ANY matches, and he does so, THEN you can penalize him. | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote: This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. It is blatantly obvious that the korean reaction is based on pure racism towards foreigners. Compare their reaction to similar things (worse things) done by koreans. | ||
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Mecker
Sweden219 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:01 Tofugrinder wrote: great article, we can only hope that naniwa will get disqualified from the gsl and all gsl partner tournaments (mlg, don't know if there are others). Quantic obvisiously should release him or at least handle the situation They aren't legally allowed to disqualify someone if they didn't break the rules. I hope they do disqualify him and he sues the shit out of them. | ||
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zachMEISTER
United States625 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:56 ForevaADrone wrote: Not an overreaction at all. Imagine it's the end of a football (soccer to Americans) season and some of the teams in the middle of the table know they cannot win and they know that they cannot be relegated to a lower league either. Their final game is "pointless" as it will have no effect whatsoever on the end result. We could even set up the example so that neither team would even change position in the league table no matter their result. These situations do happen. Now imagine that both teams just stood there and did nothing. For the whole 90 minutes. Maybe sit down and have a sandwich and make a few passes with the ball. Anyone who enjoys football and takes it seriously will see this not only as a waste of their time (which they paid for) but also unsportsmanlike and an insult to fans. This is exactly what Nani has done. To all citing a cultural divide, think what the reaction would be in your culture if a team, or individual, didn't bother making an effort in their respective because they knew it wouldn't change the end result. If you don't think the reaction would be the same, then you are very misinformed. No cultural divide at all, just poor behaviour by Nani. Maybe QxG can help him out with his behaviour, but he should gracefully accept the criticism and his penalisation from GSL, just as any other sportsman should do the same if they behaved as so. Except Nani had already played his "game" You can't compare 90 minutes of live-action sports to a 15-minute video game. He lost 3 close sets, and decided it wasn't worth playing one last, meaningless game. | ||
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Shalarn
Canada15 Posts
I'm not very good at Starcraft 2. I know that. I'm trying to improve my play, but I'm improving slowly. I am only aware of a tiny fraction of the reasons for why a player makes any individual decision. With that in mind, if I watch a pro player do something I don't understand I generally assume he's making a thoughtful or smart choice. If the player doesn't care, there's a good chance that player might do some things that aren't as great. I might see something and say 'hey, that's a good idea.' I'll learn the wrong things. tl;dr: I don't know half-assed play from good play. I'd rather only watch games where the players care. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:01 Mecker wrote: It is blatantly obvious that the korean reaction is based on pure racism towards foreigners. Compare their reaction to similar things (worse things) done by koreans. Obviously there is something more behind it. Prolly has to do with how bad nani flunked NesTea during MLG. | ||
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:59 pms wrote: This doesn't make any sense. In other circumstances this would be prised... What the heck? Your reading comprehension needs work. Let me help: If it weren't Nestea's birthday, Koreans would still be angry. Since it was Nestea's birthday and he wasted time practicing for a game that Naniwa threw, Koreans are angrier. Koreans might have a different view about respectful behaviour in a video game, but everybody likes to go out and get hammered on their birthday. That transcends cultural boundaries. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:47 Itsmedudeman wrote: This has nothing to do with race and you're a moron if you think so. It's actually so ironic. Of course it does, SCV rushing is fine, drone rushing is fine, but probe rushing isn't. That's clearly racist. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On December 14 2011 02:00 SKYFISH_ wrote: explain this INSANE backlash over a POINTLESS game and then compare it to how koreans reacted to CoCa's recent actions. What made you think that they didn't shit all over Coca? | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:58 ToasteR_ wrote: Intuitively your chances of accomplishing anything are done and golf is alot mentally tougher than starcraft in this respect simply because of how much more tedious it is. You have approximately 10 more hours to be out on the course (tournament rounds take forever) and a whole other day to be at the tournament site for no good reason. I would rather be talking to my pro or practicing rather than playing the next "pointless" 18 or 27 holes of golf. Golf is a little different because everyone could choke. The situation would be like making you play otu day 3 and 4 after missing the cut on day 2. After a bad 9 of 18 the entire field could have a terrible back 9 and you could end up in contention. You arent mathematically eliminated yet. | ||
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ForevaADrone
United Kingdom32 Posts
On December 14 2011 01:56 ForevaADrone wrote: Not an overreaction at all. Imagine it's the end of a football (soccer to Americans) season and some of the teams in the middle of the table know they cannot win and they know that they cannot be relegated to a lower league either. Their final game is "pointless" as it will have no effect whatsoever on the end result. We could even set up the example so that neither team would even change position in the league table no matter their result. These situations do happen. Now imagine that both teams just stood there and did nothing. For the whole 90 minutes. Maybe sit down and have a sandwich and make a few passes with the ball. Anyone who enjoys football and takes it seriously will see this not only as a waste of their time (which they paid for) but also unsportsmanlike and an insult to fans. This is exactly what Nani has done. To all citing a cultural divide, think what the reaction would be in your culture if a team, or individual, didn't bother making an effort in their respective because they knew it wouldn't change the end result. If you don't think the reaction would be the same, then you are very misinformed. No cultural divide at all, just poor behaviour by Nani. Maybe QxG can help him out with his behaviour, but he should gracefully accept the criticism and his penalisation from GSL, just as any other sportsman should do the same if they behaved as so. It's really not all that unusual to see matches being thrown in football in order to get an advantage further down the line. The question is how much you're supposed to lie about what you're doing. You like it when people lie more about what they're doing, naniwa doesn't like the lying. Probably now he'll learn to lie, but that's all it is. Ah I see, so e-Sports should quickly take up some of the bad habits of other sports? This is a poor reply. Whether people do it or not is irrelevant. What matters is whether they should do it or not. The point of the example was to motivate the thought as to why this behaviour was not to be considered acceptable. Shame that you didn't understand that. | ||
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Russano
United States425 Posts
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