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Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
December 13 2011 16:11 GMT
#441
I don't get the big deal out of this? If you know your out of the tourament, of course you don't care about a game that doesn't make difference. This is not really good at all in my opinion.

"Naniwa did not meet the standard expectation for a pro-gamer" is just too much. Please.
JimSocks
Profile Joined February 2009
United States968 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:12:12
December 13 2011 16:11 GMT
#442
Ever watch nfl football? When a team either clinches playoffs or are out of it, they start 3rd stringers the final 1-2 weeks. Keep in mind these teams are getting paid millions from tv networks, and fans paid hundreds for seats, and these teams treat it like an exhibition game.
hahaimhenry
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada368 Posts
December 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#443
i could understand that people didn't pay for someone to probe rush, that's about it.
:]
rogOPS
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway34 Posts
December 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#444
Also Blizzard and GomTV should firmly warn about such a behaviour to Naniwa.


Blizzard should warn Naniwa? Hahaha
I wonder how people who gets this angry about it deals with other issues in real life. Naniwa earned his spot, it was up to him what to do with it. If he has broken the tourney rules, then just don't invite him in the future, a fair punishment.
Keep going strong Naniwa, if people are this easily angered it's just fun. Really.
Even a broken clock is right two times a day
Mereel
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany895 Posts
December 13 2011 16:12 GMT
#445
lets create drama around nothing.....
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Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:14:41
December 13 2011 16:13 GMT
#446
On December 13 2011 22:50 frede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:45 Reaper9 wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, Europeans and Americans to this very day still under-estimate countries whose culture does not revolve around theirs. This is going to get VERY bad flack from the Korean community. And they can say whatever they want about Naniwa, because at this point, he collectively insulted them. I hate repeating myself, but that's how it is.


The Koreans did the same/ worse things in BW foreign tournaments so them getting pissed about this seems quite ironic.



wow you're such a dumbfuck. They received shit from korean netizens too. Naniwa throwing those games away was basically spitting at the audience, viewers, casters, fans and other players. He thinks hes a fucking progamer? Progamers are pro because they are PROFESSIONAL trash like him shouldn't play starcraft. He has no talent anyways. all talk.


EDIT: also people PAYED to watch these games. him throwing it away is the same as taking people's money and trashing it

User was temp banned for this post.
Nakama
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany584 Posts
December 13 2011 16:13 GMT
#447
On December 14 2011 01:10 SonOfMKP wrote:
Theory: If breathing isn't illegal and I do so, should I be punished if people don't agree with the way I breathe?
Theory 2: Koreans all breathe out of their mouths, but I breathe out of my nose. Should I be banned from Korea for not following their customs which are not laws or rules?
Think about that. Probe rushing, while it may be identical to just walking out and not playing a match, is not the same. If GSL's rules do not involve "No worker rushing", then by all means Naniwa has every right to end a game he doesn't want to play as fast as he can by executing said strategy.


Just look at my previous post. The argumentaion is NOT about if nani broke a written rule becuse then u dont need a real discussion u need a referee .
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#448
The funny thing is, after reading the comments here - it doesnt matter IF you throw the game away, it only matters HOW you do it? C'mon, probe rush or cannon rush, or 4 gate... who cares...?
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gwixter
Profile Joined January 2011
Slovakia336 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:15:01
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#449
LOL it is the same as when GSL skipped meaningless matches in Up&Down groups recently .... people >.>

ending match this was is maybe a little bit inappropriate but I feel like he had every right to not play that match in the first place
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Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 16:14 GMT
#450
On December 14 2011 01:09 dartoo wrote:

From the page you quoted

" However, as the 1982 match did not live up to these expectations and was widely perceived to be fixed, many observers including German and Austrian were strongly critical of the teams' performances."

"In a similar instance in the 1978 tournament, at the end of the second round group stage the Argentinian team had the benefit of knowing the result of an earlier game involving Brazil, which led to a 6-0 win over Peru, advancing them to the final by goal difference. As a result of these and similar events, FIFA ruled that in the future both final group matches must start on the same day at the same time, so as to prevent such an event ever occurring again".

Clearly people were not happy, to point of changing the rules,

I dont about the other thing your talking about, dont follow american sports.


If you'd like to have a debate over whether GOM needs to institute a rule to prevent this, then we can. However the current argument is about whether what he did was wrong, which I'm arguing its not. That incident made people realize that they didn't want to allow that kind of thing, so they changed it. Which is perfectly acceptable, however they don't retroactively decided it was against the rules and punish people for something that was legal at the time of the action. Theres a reason why we dont prosectute people who commited crimes that weren't previously laws. If a rape law was instituted in 1950, and you raped someone in 1948 when it was legal, they don't go back and charge you wtih rape.
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
December 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#451
On December 14 2011 01:03 radscorpion9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 00:53 blae000 wrote:
Very fast!! ... wow

"Greg Fields is an angel compared to Naniwa"

What a priceless comment! XD


That was my favorite part as well XD. As a side note Greg fields wrote on twitter "dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously." I can see that side of the argument, but still it wouldn't hurt Naniwa to play a game vs Nestea.


And to that, we could say :

"Don't participate in tournament that a "meaningless" matches could happen, if you can't play them seriously."
SonOfMKP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:16:09
December 13 2011 16:15 GMT
#452
On December 14 2011 01:13 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:50 frede wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:45 Reaper9 wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, Europeans and Americans to this very day still under-estimate countries whose culture does not revolve around theirs. This is going to get VERY bad flack from the Korean community. And they can say whatever they want about Naniwa, because at this point, he collectively insulted them. I hate repeating myself, but that's how it is.


The Koreans did the same/ worse things in BW foreign tournaments so them getting pissed about this seems quite ironic.



wow you're such a dumbfuck. They received shit from korean netizens too. Naniwa throwing those games away was basically spitting at the audience, viewers, casters, fans and other players. He thinks hes a fucking progamer? Progamers are pro because they are PROFESSIONAL trash like him shouldn't play starcraft. He has no talent anyways. all talk.


EDIT: also people PAYED to watch these games. him throwing it away is the same as taking people's money and trashing it


It makes me feel bad to be an American when I read stupid shit like this.

Pretty much sums up a great comparison of your argument.
Russano
Profile Joined November 2010
United States425 Posts
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#453
My issue wtih these threads, is that people have issues with how he threw the match in a way that they didn't want. Which is absolutely absurd because he doesn't give a shit about that. It all stems from self entitlement for watching good games.
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 16:19:23
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#454
On December 14 2011 01:08 rblstr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:05 MayorITC wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:57 Madder wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:53 MayorITC wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 rblstr wrote:
Oh please, you think GOM care about that game?
Did they lose any money from Nani throwing the game?

No.
Get over it.
Its not a big deal, just be happy you saw Leenok, Polt and MMA show incredible games.


Actually they have. I've paid for every GOM tournament, but I don't think I'll be paying for anymore tournaments that involve Naniwa.

Right, that shows how much you love SC2 then, because of one player. Because of one player who chose not to play to his fullest because in the end, the game had no bearing on the the advance for either player in the tornament. The game shouldn't of taken place, don't feel like you've been robbed or feel like you're entitled to falsified entertainment.


Actually, I do feel like I've been robbed - apparently, a sentiment shared by the Korean progamers. I will continue to support other progamers, and SC2 tournaments, but I won't financially support a tournament that involves Naniwa. It's a personal choice much like how Naniwa made a personal choice to probe rush. Questioning my love for SC2 or any other comment about how I'm hurting e-sports seems just as much of an overreaction as the people criticizing Naniwa for throwing away the game against Nestea.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone else to do the same. I was just answering rblstr's original question.


But you do realise that you'd be hurting the scene more than Naniwa by refusing to support MLG/Dreamhack/etc?


No. Because you and I have different values on what hurts the scene and what doesn't.

My philosophy is as follows:

By not paying for DH/MLG, they'll lose money and a viewer (me). While money and exposure are important, having classy professional players will help generate those two and establish e-sports as a serious industry. Maybe when e-sports becomes mainstream, you'll have room for mavericks, but right now I believe that people like Naniwa are hurting the scene. All I saw from Naniwa today was a selfish kid who doesn't know the hardships of a vocation - an individual that doesn't help e-sport's image. If MLG/DH are tolerant of his behavior then I don't think that's going to help e-sports. Therefore I'm not really hurting the scene by refusing to support DH/MLG.
[SuNdae]
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Finland323 Posts
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#455
Naniwa has always been a douche, nothing new here tbh.
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
December 13 2011 16:17 GMT
#456
4 different threads about Naniwa. I wonder if there will be a nani-plushie people can buy and burn at the stake.
I'm feeling for nani so much now. Entire community is against him
feanor5
Profile Joined September 2010
Bulgaria15 Posts
December 13 2011 16:18 GMT
#457
The SC2 scene is so boring and random and now makes some stupid drama ... yey
btw i see the interview of naniwa after this " I gave Nestea a birthday present! it was on purpose!!! i swear ". and drama ppl well be like LULZ
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
December 13 2011 16:19 GMT
#458
On December 14 2011 01:13 Fall.182 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 22:50 frede wrote:
On December 13 2011 22:45 Reaper9 wrote:
As I mentioned in the other thread, Europeans and Americans to this very day still under-estimate countries whose culture does not revolve around theirs. This is going to get VERY bad flack from the Korean community. And they can say whatever they want about Naniwa, because at this point, he collectively insulted them. I hate repeating myself, but that's how it is.


The Koreans did the same/ worse things in BW foreign tournaments so them getting pissed about this seems quite ironic.



wow you're such a dumbfuck. They received shit from korean netizens too. Naniwa throwing those games away was basically spitting at the audience, viewers, casters, fans and other players. He thinks hes a fucking progamer? Progamers are pro because they are PROFESSIONAL trash like him shouldn't play starcraft. He has no talent anyways. all talk.


EDIT: also people PAYED to watch these games. him throwing it away is the same as taking people's money and trashing it


You lose all your credibility when you call the fellow TLer a "dumbfuck". Ah, and you're wrong about his talent and...almost everything else. Grow up.
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SC2NeCro
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada507 Posts
December 13 2011 16:20 GMT
#459
Koreans blowing smoke again. Shocker.
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rblstr
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland398 Posts
December 13 2011 16:20 GMT
#460
On December 14 2011 01:17 MayorITC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2011 01:08 rblstr wrote:
On December 14 2011 01:05 MayorITC wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:57 Madder wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:53 MayorITC wrote:
On December 14 2011 00:46 rblstr wrote:
Oh please, you think GOM care about that game?
Did they lose any money from Nani throwing the game?

No.
Get over it.
Its not a big deal, just be happy you saw Leenok, Polt and MMA show incredible games.


Actually they have. I've paid for every GOM tournament, but I don't think I'll be paying for anymore tournaments that involve Naniwa.

Right, that shows how much you love SC2 then, because of one player. Because of one player who chose not to play to his fullest because in the end, the game had no bearing on the the advance for either player in the tornament. The game shouldn't of taken place, don't feel like you've been robbed or feel like you're entitled to falsified entertainment.


Actually, I do feel like I've been robbed - apparently, a sentiment shared by the Korean progamers. I will continue to support other progamers, and SC2 tournaments, but I won't financially support a tournament that involves Naniwa. It's a personal choice much like how Naniwa made a personal choice to probe rush. Questioning my love for SC2 or any other comment about how I'm hurting e-sports seems just as much of an overreaction as the people criticizing Naniwa for throwing away the game against Nestea.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone else to do the same. I was just answering rblstr's original question.


But you do realise that you'd be hurting the scene more than Naniwa by refusing to support MLG/Dreamhack/etc?


No. Because you and I have different values on what hurts the scene and what doesn't. By not paying for DH/MLG, they'll lose money and a viewer. While money and exposure are important, having classy professional players will help generate those two and establish e-sports as a serious industry. Maybe when e-sports becomes mainstream, you'll have room for mavericks, but right now I believe that people like Naniwa are hurting the scene. All I saw from Naniwa today was a selfish kid who doesn't know the hardships of a vocation - an individual that doesn't help e-sport's image. If MLG/DH are tolerant of his behavior then I don't think that's going to help e-sports. Therefore I'm not really hurting the scene by refusing to support DH/MLG.


So Naniwa didn't play his absolute best in his first 3 games against cheesy as fuck Koreans? So what Nani threw the last game, he played exceptionally well in his first 3 so how about we focus on that instead of this stupid drama bullshit.
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