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NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
December 12 2011 00:34 GMT
#581
On December 12 2011 09:24 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 08:43 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.

Idra being like the only 2 zergs in the first 3 seasons of GSL code S.

Better start showing some respect, boy.

imo, Idra is still king, just cause he was such a boss in the initial seasons of the GSL.

Only 2 zergs ?
Check your facts, it's not that hard to use liquipedia.

Idra won 1 Bo3 in GSL1, 2 Bo3 in GSL2, 1 Bo3 in GSL3, and 3 Bo1 in GSL january.

That may be good results, but it's not the end of the world either. Just with IPL3 alone, Stephano has won more, against better players and without loosing 4 Bo3.

Besides this is completely outdated. How good players were in the beta and in 2010 has become irrelevant now.
The fact that TLO was in GSL2 tells a lot about the gap between the current competitive scene and the first rounds of GSL back then.

Aslo, people keep overhyping MLG and Idra's results there. But actually, for someone supposed to be code S level, Idra had really poor performance at most MLG. The only one where Idra performed well was Orlando.

People using Orlando to compare Stephano vs Idra are just comparing the worst of Stephano agaisnt the best of Idra. (Not to mention the difference between the open bracket, and an easy pool).


Idra is a really good player though, he just doesn't have the tournament results (in comparison with others in the foreign scene such as puma, hero, huk, stephano, naniwa).


But koreans actually prepare for matches in the GSL...
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
December 12 2011 00:37 GMT
#582
On December 12 2011 09:27 Loki57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 09:24 Elean wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:43 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.

Idra being like the only 2 zergs in the first 3 seasons of GSL code S.

Better start showing some respect, boy.

imo, Idra is still king, just cause he was such a boss in the initial seasons of the GSL.

against better players

No, for God's sake, stop it.

Just look at the players Idra defeated in the first 3 GSL:
JiTaeHoon
ChickenCombo
Gon
Choa

What have those players done ? Nothing but play once in GSL and be defeated by Idra in the first or second round.
inamorato
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States263 Posts
December 12 2011 00:38 GMT
#583
On December 11 2011 17:03 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
After a year of the release of Starcraft 2 players have swiftly risen to fame and others have fallen just as quickly as equally. From the beginning of the game is was a pre-conceived notion that the ex- Broodwar pros would simply dominate. Players who were not that successful in Broodwar such as IM_Nestea (Zergbong) and IM_MVP rose to the top to win GSL championships and without a doubt be considered the best players in the world.

So a Broodwar background did help, although bonjwas and legends such as Nada, July, and Boxer did not live up to their foreclaimed glory.


The Korea Model

Another factor of success that was apparent from the beginning was that Korea was the place to train. Foreigners that traveled there and practiced showed that despite the majority of tournaments being located in the West, it was no way to compete. A Korean team house was the best way to better yourself as a Starcraft 2 pro and dominate competition when you return (EG_Idra)

But if the majority of tournaments were located in the East, why couldn't we keep up? We would often hear from casters and players that NA players (and EU) were lazy. Pro players with "loads of talent" who did not practice ended up showing disappointing results, (cough cough Tyler cough cough three hours a day). The effort our foreigner players were putting in simply could not compete with the traditional 11 hour a day practice schedules for Koreans.



Foreigner Hope

The only real foreigner hope after Jinro seemed to hit a huge slump after a RO8 run was once again, EG_Idra. Showing he could not only compete with the best of the best in Code S but also dominate the *best player in the world TSL_Clide*. However, in the middle of a deep Code S run Idra forfeited his spot and returned to the U.S because he felt that is where the large majority of tournaments would be (NASL was up-and-coming then) and that a power shift was likely to occur very soon between the East and the West.

EG even set up a team house and by the end of the NASL acquired Puma. The best way to compete with the Koreans would to start a team house with a Korean. This would surely even the playing field as it fix not only the laziness of NA pro players but also the lack of good practice partners.

Of course, Idra, with a team house to practice in, dominated every U.S. tournament he was in. As expected they weren't even close as he claimed tournament win after tournament win. The rest of the EG house demonstrated how the the team house would indeed be the second best way to improve besides and actual Korean team house. EG_Incontrol finally posted his first top 8 MLG performance since Dallas, and EG_Machine, EG_Axslav showed impressin....

Okay I can't do this anymore. None of that happened. As sure as all of us were that it would happen and that we wanted it to happen it didn't. Only Huk and Puma posted super-impressive results for EG, and Puma had just left Korea while Huk was actually living there. Idra didn't completely fluke, and won tournaments such as IEM China, he was a major disappointment considering his expectations to be the best foreigner in the world. The rest of EG did not show live up to expectations after the team house, showing little, if any, significant improvement



Korean Domination

Despite attempts by foreign players every MLG was demonstrative as how large the skill gap between foreigners and Koreans. (Why do we call ourselves foreigners that weird, bro) A b-teamer, Puma demonstrated that even players that weren't in Code S or Code A would squash just about every top foreigner. That make the Code S players even scarier.
The top 8 of every MLG was dominated by Koreans and so was every foreigner tournament with Korean invites. As much as the Teamliquid and foreigner community wanted foreigners to show that the skill level had been reset from Broodwar, we were all slowly accepting that this wasn't true. And then something happened that shocked all of us out of our comatose states, made us drop the big spoons of double chocolate fudge ice cream that we were eating straight from the container as we cried over Slayers players blue flaming their way to yet another MLG victory as foreigners sat on the sideline and watched.




IGN 3: Origins

What the Fahq,Fahq? This thread is about Stephano and you haven't even mentioned the guy at all after what seems like a SC2 history of why Koreans are so much better than us. Fahq off, I'm gonna go read about how Huk won two MLGs and Naniwa is getting nerd raged for his switch the Quantic Incredible Miracle, whoosps I mean Quantic Gaming (that didn't last long did it?) I came here because I'm a huge Stephano fan boy, and or you have a catchy title what is this crap?

Okay, okay I'll get it to it. IPL 3 first LAN for ign, great that there are huge tournaments popping up all the time blah, blah, blah. Predictions about who is going to win is another Korean. Those of us watching were surprised to see players like MarineKing get upset by this kid called Stephano. He was a french dude who streamed EU ladder a couple days a week. However, there were a lot of interesting qualifying games and most people still did not know who this kid was. Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.

Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA


This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing.





The Shock
Stephano said at IPL 3 that he ladders three hours a day. And then doesn't play anymore. He didn't live in a team house, he didn't practice custom games all day, he laddered for a couple hours each day while studying at university. He was an old Warcraft 3 pro. They're not supposed to be good at SC2. (Whoops, what happened with Naniwa and secretly Moon?) The pink power ranger defied all pre-conceived notions about what was necessary to be successful in SC2. It just didn't make sense that someone who only plays three hours a day crushed so many good players. It had to be a fluke.



It Wasn't
Stephano has more talent than anyone in the world. A recent post mentioned his amazing ladder run with around a 80% winrate. What will be even more scary for everyone else is that now Stephano can practice full time. He has moved to Korea with the Ogs house and has been dominating. In around 100 games Stephano reaches top 35 on the Korean ladder (4 days). I just saw him completely shut down really well microed banshees and blue flame from ForGG or OgsFin yesterday. TangSC made a post about what learned from watching his stream today. (And what Stephano could improve-nothing, jk)

Stephano will reach #1 on Korean ladder. It will be soon, too. There is no doubt(in my mind) Stephano is the best player in the world at this moment(talentwise) and he has not even reached his full potential. Others may argue that he has never tried the GSL format but Stephano is ready. He can execute a huge variety of strategies and he does things I have never seen any other Zerg do before. I have no idea why other players don't build a crap load of queens and the block hellions while wrapping around with zerglings. Why don't other players go heavy, heavy queen and roach to deal with Stargate and then have a push with what seems like a million transfuses? Because they're not Stephano. As biased as this post seems (because it is), I was not a huge Stephano hipster. I am only a avid fan of SC2 and would like to inform the rest of the community that if there is one player to watch, it is Stephano. Oh, and he won ESWC.



Stephano Hwaiting!

Stephano stream- http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano
Denotation
*best player in the world according to Artosis
*Title- best player in the world according to Fahq
Incontrol gets a lot of crap in this article but I am actually a huge fan and root for him to succeed in every tournament. Any other foreigner players like Huk and Naniwa of course are fantastic, but that is not what this post is about.
I know there will be very positive and negative reactions, especially with such a cheesy title, but honest feedback is appreciated !
While doing so, please be civil to everyone else's opinions(if you want to flame Stephano or someone else's comment please flame me instead for my extremely "biased and unfounded" conclusions)
Even if you don't agree with this thread, (sane people won't), that doesn't mean that you shouldn't watch Stephano's stream or root for him
I don't like the pink power ranger stuff either, it's just...weird
BEFORE POSTING PLEASE READ FAQ
Please change title to Why I Think Stephano Is Best Player In The World, i think there's a lot of good sc2 players

Disclaimer*
The above section only lists the reasoning behind why that I, Fahq, think that Stephano will do very well in the near future and has the potential to beat everyone in GSL and at Blizzcon
I do no actually believe that Stephano is the best player in the world, he is unproven, and will not ever think that anyone is the best player in the world as it is completely objective and there are rises and falls, e.g. Bisu.


Why I think despite him being a very good player he is a moron.
Practices so little when there are so many events he could be winning.
Claimed he would only continue SC2 and avoid the university if he was making 300-400k a year. Most doctors only make 100k a year and I'm pretty sure that most people would take a bit less money to be much happier doing something they liked. Now, perhaps he will love whatever he chooses to be after going to the university, but expecting 300-400k from any job is moronic.
He doesn't go to major tournaments as much as he should.

Well maybe that is indicative of his winnings. Players that continuously travel to tournament after tournament are always either en route to the next tournament hence being on a plane, cab, or all of the other things that get in the way of practicing.

Players that continue to travel and travel have shown less than positive results.
You're one microscopic cog in his catastrophic plan Designed and directed by his red right hand
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 12 2011 00:45 GMT
#584
On December 12 2011 09:38 inamorato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 17:03 NoobSkills wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
After a year of the release of Starcraft 2 players have swiftly risen to fame and others have fallen just as quickly as equally. From the beginning of the game is was a pre-conceived notion that the ex- Broodwar pros would simply dominate. Players who were not that successful in Broodwar such as IM_Nestea (Zergbong) and IM_MVP rose to the top to win GSL championships and without a doubt be considered the best players in the world.

So a Broodwar background did help, although bonjwas and legends such as Nada, July, and Boxer did not live up to their foreclaimed glory.


The Korea Model

Another factor of success that was apparent from the beginning was that Korea was the place to train. Foreigners that traveled there and practiced showed that despite the majority of tournaments being located in the West, it was no way to compete. A Korean team house was the best way to better yourself as a Starcraft 2 pro and dominate competition when you return (EG_Idra)

But if the majority of tournaments were located in the East, why couldn't we keep up? We would often hear from casters and players that NA players (and EU) were lazy. Pro players with "loads of talent" who did not practice ended up showing disappointing results, (cough cough Tyler cough cough three hours a day). The effort our foreigner players were putting in simply could not compete with the traditional 11 hour a day practice schedules for Koreans.



Foreigner Hope

The only real foreigner hope after Jinro seemed to hit a huge slump after a RO8 run was once again, EG_Idra. Showing he could not only compete with the best of the best in Code S but also dominate the *best player in the world TSL_Clide*. However, in the middle of a deep Code S run Idra forfeited his spot and returned to the U.S because he felt that is where the large majority of tournaments would be (NASL was up-and-coming then) and that a power shift was likely to occur very soon between the East and the West.

EG even set up a team house and by the end of the NASL acquired Puma. The best way to compete with the Koreans would to start a team house with a Korean. This would surely even the playing field as it fix not only the laziness of NA pro players but also the lack of good practice partners.

Of course, Idra, with a team house to practice in, dominated every U.S. tournament he was in. As expected they weren't even close as he claimed tournament win after tournament win. The rest of the EG house demonstrated how the the team house would indeed be the second best way to improve besides and actual Korean team house. EG_Incontrol finally posted his first top 8 MLG performance since Dallas, and EG_Machine, EG_Axslav showed impressin....

Okay I can't do this anymore. None of that happened. As sure as all of us were that it would happen and that we wanted it to happen it didn't. Only Huk and Puma posted super-impressive results for EG, and Puma had just left Korea while Huk was actually living there. Idra didn't completely fluke, and won tournaments such as IEM China, he was a major disappointment considering his expectations to be the best foreigner in the world. The rest of EG did not show live up to expectations after the team house, showing little, if any, significant improvement



Korean Domination

Despite attempts by foreign players every MLG was demonstrative as how large the skill gap between foreigners and Koreans. (Why do we call ourselves foreigners that weird, bro) A b-teamer, Puma demonstrated that even players that weren't in Code S or Code A would squash just about every top foreigner. That make the Code S players even scarier.
The top 8 of every MLG was dominated by Koreans and so was every foreigner tournament with Korean invites. As much as the Teamliquid and foreigner community wanted foreigners to show that the skill level had been reset from Broodwar, we were all slowly accepting that this wasn't true. And then something happened that shocked all of us out of our comatose states, made us drop the big spoons of double chocolate fudge ice cream that we were eating straight from the container as we cried over Slayers players blue flaming their way to yet another MLG victory as foreigners sat on the sideline and watched.




IGN 3: Origins

What the Fahq,Fahq? This thread is about Stephano and you haven't even mentioned the guy at all after what seems like a SC2 history of why Koreans are so much better than us. Fahq off, I'm gonna go read about how Huk won two MLGs and Naniwa is getting nerd raged for his switch the Quantic Incredible Miracle, whoosps I mean Quantic Gaming (that didn't last long did it?) I came here because I'm a huge Stephano fan boy, and or you have a catchy title what is this crap?

Okay, okay I'll get it to it. IPL 3 first LAN for ign, great that there are huge tournaments popping up all the time blah, blah, blah. Predictions about who is going to win is another Korean. Those of us watching were surprised to see players like MarineKing get upset by this kid called Stephano. He was a french dude who streamed EU ladder a couple days a week. However, there were a lot of interesting qualifying games and most people still did not know who this kid was. Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.

Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA


This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing.





The Shock
Stephano said at IPL 3 that he ladders three hours a day. And then doesn't play anymore. He didn't live in a team house, he didn't practice custom games all day, he laddered for a couple hours each day while studying at university. He was an old Warcraft 3 pro. They're not supposed to be good at SC2. (Whoops, what happened with Naniwa and secretly Moon?) The pink power ranger defied all pre-conceived notions about what was necessary to be successful in SC2. It just didn't make sense that someone who only plays three hours a day crushed so many good players. It had to be a fluke.



It Wasn't
Stephano has more talent than anyone in the world. A recent post mentioned his amazing ladder run with around a 80% winrate. What will be even more scary for everyone else is that now Stephano can practice full time. He has moved to Korea with the Ogs house and has been dominating. In around 100 games Stephano reaches top 35 on the Korean ladder (4 days). I just saw him completely shut down really well microed banshees and blue flame from ForGG or OgsFin yesterday. TangSC made a post about what learned from watching his stream today. (And what Stephano could improve-nothing, jk)

Stephano will reach #1 on Korean ladder. It will be soon, too. There is no doubt(in my mind) Stephano is the best player in the world at this moment(talentwise) and he has not even reached his full potential. Others may argue that he has never tried the GSL format but Stephano is ready. He can execute a huge variety of strategies and he does things I have never seen any other Zerg do before. I have no idea why other players don't build a crap load of queens and the block hellions while wrapping around with zerglings. Why don't other players go heavy, heavy queen and roach to deal with Stargate and then have a push with what seems like a million transfuses? Because they're not Stephano. As biased as this post seems (because it is), I was not a huge Stephano hipster. I am only a avid fan of SC2 and would like to inform the rest of the community that if there is one player to watch, it is Stephano. Oh, and he won ESWC.



Stephano Hwaiting!

Stephano stream- http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano
Denotation
*best player in the world according to Artosis
*Title- best player in the world according to Fahq
Incontrol gets a lot of crap in this article but I am actually a huge fan and root for him to succeed in every tournament. Any other foreigner players like Huk and Naniwa of course are fantastic, but that is not what this post is about.
I know there will be very positive and negative reactions, especially with such a cheesy title, but honest feedback is appreciated !
While doing so, please be civil to everyone else's opinions(if you want to flame Stephano or someone else's comment please flame me instead for my extremely "biased and unfounded" conclusions)
Even if you don't agree with this thread, (sane people won't), that doesn't mean that you shouldn't watch Stephano's stream or root for him
I don't like the pink power ranger stuff either, it's just...weird
BEFORE POSTING PLEASE READ FAQ
Please change title to Why I Think Stephano Is Best Player In The World, i think there's a lot of good sc2 players

Disclaimer*
The above section only lists the reasoning behind why that I, Fahq, think that Stephano will do very well in the near future and has the potential to beat everyone in GSL and at Blizzcon
I do no actually believe that Stephano is the best player in the world, he is unproven, and will not ever think that anyone is the best player in the world as it is completely objective and there are rises and falls, e.g. Bisu.


Why I think despite him being a very good player he is a moron.
Practices so little when there are so many events he could be winning.
Claimed he would only continue SC2 and avoid the university if he was making 300-400k a year. Most doctors only make 100k a year and I'm pretty sure that most people would take a bit less money to be much happier doing something they liked. Now, perhaps he will love whatever he chooses to be after going to the university, but expecting 300-400k from any job is moronic.
He doesn't go to major tournaments as much as he should.

Well maybe that is indicative of his winnings. Players that continuously travel to tournament after tournament are always either en route to the next tournament hence being on a plane, cab, or all of the other things that get in the way of practicing.

Players that continue to travel and travel have shown less than positive results.


Thats a good point we seen it with Huk. Maybe it is better just to chose a few tournaments. Ofcourse its proberly have todo with team sponsors they want as much exposure as possible.
GreyMasta
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada197 Posts
December 12 2011 01:06 GMT
#585
On December 12 2011 09:37 Elean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 09:27 Loki57 wrote:
On December 12 2011 09:24 Elean wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:43 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.

Idra being like the only 2 zergs in the first 3 seasons of GSL code S.

Better start showing some respect, boy.

imo, Idra is still king, just cause he was such a boss in the initial seasons of the GSL.

against better players

No, for God's sake, stop it.

Just look at the players Idra defeated in the first 3 GSL:
JiTaeHoon
ChickenCombo
Gon
Choa

What have those players done ? Nothing but play once in GSL and be defeated by Idra in the first or second round.


DAT LIST! lmao
wow, that was a vicious blow...
pi_rate_pir_ate
Profile Joined April 2010
United States179 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 01:23:21
December 12 2011 01:19 GMT
#586
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*edit* Sorry guys, I guess I'm using the wrong link from ImageShack!
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 12 2011 01:20 GMT
#587
On December 12 2011 10:06 GreyMasta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 09:37 Elean wrote:
On December 12 2011 09:27 Loki57 wrote:
On December 12 2011 09:24 Elean wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:43 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.

Idra being like the only 2 zergs in the first 3 seasons of GSL code S.

Better start showing some respect, boy.

imo, Idra is still king, just cause he was such a boss in the initial seasons of the GSL.

against better players

No, for God's sake, stop it.

Just look at the players Idra defeated in the first 3 GSL:
JiTaeHoon
ChickenCombo
Gon
Choa

What have those players done ? Nothing but play once in GSL and be defeated by Idra in the first or second round.


DAT LIST! lmao
wow, that was a vicious blow...

Nobody was arguing that those players were better than the ones Stephano has beaten. I was saying that he hasn't beaten any top-tier koreans at a live event sans a single bo3 against MKP (who has proven to be extremely inconsistent).
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Lewan72
Profile Joined April 2011
United States381 Posts
December 12 2011 01:21 GMT
#588
On December 12 2011 08:52 dafunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 08:45 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.


IEM China?
IPL 1?
MLG?
ASUS?

I'm not even an Idra fan anymore but now you're just making up bullshit. (Btw Stephano has been on the scene for quite some time, he just couldn't win anything until recently. In fact he was participating in tournaments as November of 2010)

Just because IPL3 had 6x the prizepool of other tournaments does not mean it was 6x as difficult. (In fact it was probably a lot weaker than HuK's MLG and on par with IEM China)

Honestly Stephano fanboys are just as bad as Idra fanboys nowadays it seems. Why do I even bother talking to either of them -.-


All the tournaments you listed were US only, or just filled with very bad players.
IEM China was a joke with only 5 decent players.
The only decent tournament he did good was Asus ROG were he beats sjow, white ra and select. Very impressive ...

You cant be serious.


Fucking retard.
You call IEM China a joke, yet the only decent person Stephano beat at IPL was the STC and he isn't even in code a/s
ORLANDO: Idra beat Boxer, Hongun, and Bomber at the last MLG. Stephano got beaten by Boxer. Who did stephano beat are you asking? Vibe and Drewbie, IMPRESSIVE.
Not to mention beating Puma and Sheth at previous MLGs.

Normally I don't do this shit, but your stupidity and ignorance drove me to log on and reply to this.


User was temp banned for this post.
MC / Hero / MMA / Bomber / Coca / Suppy
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 12 2011 01:31 GMT
#589
On December 12 2011 10:21 Lewan72 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 08:52 dafunk wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:45 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.


IEM China?
IPL 1?
MLG?
ASUS?

I'm not even an Idra fan anymore but now you're just making up bullshit. (Btw Stephano has been on the scene for quite some time, he just couldn't win anything until recently. In fact he was participating in tournaments as November of 2010)

Just because IPL3 had 6x the prizepool of other tournaments does not mean it was 6x as difficult. (In fact it was probably a lot weaker than HuK's MLG and on par with IEM China)

Honestly Stephano fanboys are just as bad as Idra fanboys nowadays it seems. Why do I even bother talking to either of them -.-


All the tournaments you listed were US only, or just filled with very bad players.
IEM China was a joke with only 5 decent players.
The only decent tournament he did good was Asus ROG were he beats sjow, white ra and select. Very impressive ...

You cant be serious.


Fucking retard.
You call IEM China a joke, yet the only decent person Stephano beat at IPL was the STC and he isn't even in code a/s
ORLANDO: Idra beat Boxer, Hongun, and Bomber at the last MLG. Stephano got beaten by Boxer. Who did stephano beat are you asking? Vibe and Drewbie, IMPRESSIVE.
Not to mention beating Puma and Sheth at previous MLGs.

Normally I don't do this shit, but your stupidity and ignorance drove me to log on and reply to this.

Thank you. A tad caustic, but thank you.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 12 2011 01:34 GMT
#590
On December 12 2011 10:21 Lewan72 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 08:52 dafunk wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:45 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 12 2011 08:41 dafunk wrote:
IdrA is lightyears away from what stephano already achieved in just a few months.

He never won any major tournament although he has been to 10x more and has been on the scene for far more longer.
You cant even compare them.


IEM China?
IPL 1?
MLG?
ASUS?

I'm not even an Idra fan anymore but now you're just making up bullshit. (Btw Stephano has been on the scene for quite some time, he just couldn't win anything until recently. In fact he was participating in tournaments as November of 2010)

Just because IPL3 had 6x the prizepool of other tournaments does not mean it was 6x as difficult. (In fact it was probably a lot weaker than HuK's MLG and on par with IEM China)

Honestly Stephano fanboys are just as bad as Idra fanboys nowadays it seems. Why do I even bother talking to either of them -.-


All the tournaments you listed were US only, or just filled with very bad players.
IEM China was a joke with only 5 decent players.
The only decent tournament he did good was Asus ROG were he beats sjow, white ra and select. Very impressive ...

You cant be serious.


Fucking retard.
You call IEM China a joke, yet the only decent person Stephano beat at IPL was the STC and he isn't even in code a/s
ORLANDO: Idra beat Boxer, Hongun, and Bomber at the last MLG. Stephano got beaten by Boxer. Who did stephano beat are you asking? Vibe and Drewbie, IMPRESSIVE.
Not to mention beating Puma and Sheth at previous MLGs.

Normally I don't do this shit, but your stupidity and ignorance drove me to log on and reply to this.


Stephano beat Boxer and huk also at IPL 3. and Violet,kiwi Inori and ofcourse Lucky

And if you had spoken with Stephano you would knew that he didnt give himself many chances at MLG comming from the open bracket he lacks stamina and thats something he is working on
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 01:35:13
December 12 2011 01:35 GMT
#591
both players have beaten and been beat by top players. you're all running in circles.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 12 2011 01:37 GMT
#592
On December 12 2011 10:35 latan wrote:
both players have beaten and been beat by top players. you're all running in circles.


Agree
Fall.182
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
December 12 2011 01:46 GMT
#593
On December 11 2011 02:15 Flowjo wrote:
Wtf? Overhype much lol? Also can this be moved to blogs right next to HUK the greatest player, and Idra after he won IEM and oh yea let's not forget Thorzain when he won TSL3



this. LOL. you can say that one has talent or skill when they show good consistent results/

For example: MVP. so according to you, just because stephano beat some koreans at IPL that hes one of the best?
might as well say that every other player who beat some koreans to win a tourney the best too then. why dont you go on
your real TL account and make a thread about Naniwa, huk, idra, and thorzain too? they beat koreans and won a tourney. Its people like you that make me anti-fans of these players, stupid people like you that overhype stuff without any thought.

Also there has to be a reason that you wrote this on a new account:

1. You're trying to troll
2. you KNOW yourself that you made some BS up. so you KNEW you would receive shit from people so you made a new account? am i wrong?

cvt
Profile Joined November 2011
United States192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 03:28:41
December 12 2011 03:28 GMT
#594
On December 12 2011 10:37 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 10:35 latan wrote:
both players have beaten and been beat by top players. you're all running in circles.


Agree

Now you're mister rational? Lol.
edit~ dont feel like getting banned today
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 03:40:06
December 12 2011 03:39 GMT
#595
delete post.
When I think of something else, something will go here
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
December 12 2011 03:46 GMT
#596
Would be funny if he just completely destroys the Blizzard cup tonight
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1601 Posts
December 12 2011 03:48 GMT
#597
On December 11 2011 17:23 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 17:03 NoobSkills wrote:
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote:
After a year of the release of Starcraft 2 players have swiftly risen to fame and others have fallen just as quickly as equally. From the beginning of the game is was a pre-conceived notion that the ex- Broodwar pros would simply dominate. Players who were not that successful in Broodwar such as IM_Nestea (Zergbong) and IM_MVP rose to the top to win GSL championships and without a doubt be considered the best players in the world.

So a Broodwar background did help, although bonjwas and legends such as Nada, July, and Boxer did not live up to their foreclaimed glory.


The Korea Model

Another factor of success that was apparent from the beginning was that Korea was the place to train. Foreigners that traveled there and practiced showed that despite the majority of tournaments being located in the West, it was no way to compete. A Korean team house was the best way to better yourself as a Starcraft 2 pro and dominate competition when you return (EG_Idra)

But if the majority of tournaments were located in the East, why couldn't we keep up? We would often hear from casters and players that NA players (and EU) were lazy. Pro players with "loads of talent" who did not practice ended up showing disappointing results, (cough cough Tyler cough cough three hours a day). The effort our foreigner players were putting in simply could not compete with the traditional 11 hour a day practice schedules for Koreans.



Foreigner Hope

The only real foreigner hope after Jinro seemed to hit a huge slump after a RO8 run was once again, EG_Idra. Showing he could not only compete with the best of the best in Code S but also dominate the *best player in the world TSL_Clide*. However, in the middle of a deep Code S run Idra forfeited his spot and returned to the U.S because he felt that is where the large majority of tournaments would be (NASL was up-and-coming then) and that a power shift was likely to occur very soon between the East and the West.

EG even set up a team house and by the end of the NASL acquired Puma. The best way to compete with the Koreans would to start a team house with a Korean. This would surely even the playing field as it fix not only the laziness of NA pro players but also the lack of good practice partners.

Of course, Idra, with a team house to practice in, dominated every U.S. tournament he was in. As expected they weren't even close as he claimed tournament win after tournament win. The rest of the EG house demonstrated how the the team house would indeed be the second best way to improve besides and actual Korean team house. EG_Incontrol finally posted his first top 8 MLG performance since Dallas, and EG_Machine, EG_Axslav showed impressin....

Okay I can't do this anymore. None of that happened. As sure as all of us were that it would happen and that we wanted it to happen it didn't. Only Huk and Puma posted super-impressive results for EG, and Puma had just left Korea while Huk was actually living there. Idra didn't completely fluke, and won tournaments such as IEM China, he was a major disappointment considering his expectations to be the best foreigner in the world. The rest of EG did not show live up to expectations after the team house, showing little, if any, significant improvement



Korean Domination

Despite attempts by foreign players every MLG was demonstrative as how large the skill gap between foreigners and Koreans. (Why do we call ourselves foreigners that weird, bro) A b-teamer, Puma demonstrated that even players that weren't in Code S or Code A would squash just about every top foreigner. That make the Code S players even scarier.
The top 8 of every MLG was dominated by Koreans and so was every foreigner tournament with Korean invites. As much as the Teamliquid and foreigner community wanted foreigners to show that the skill level had been reset from Broodwar, we were all slowly accepting that this wasn't true. And then something happened that shocked all of us out of our comatose states, made us drop the big spoons of double chocolate fudge ice cream that we were eating straight from the container as we cried over Slayers players blue flaming their way to yet another MLG victory as foreigners sat on the sideline and watched.




IGN 3: Origins

What the Fahq,Fahq? This thread is about Stephano and you haven't even mentioned the guy at all after what seems like a SC2 history of why Koreans are so much better than us. Fahq off, I'm gonna go read about how Huk won two MLGs and Naniwa is getting nerd raged for his switch the Quantic Incredible Miracle, whoosps I mean Quantic Gaming (that didn't last long did it?) I came here because I'm a huge Stephano fan boy, and or you have a catchy title what is this crap?

Okay, okay I'll get it to it. IPL 3 first LAN for ign, great that there are huge tournaments popping up all the time blah, blah, blah. Predictions about who is going to win is another Korean. Those of us watching were surprised to see players like MarineKing get upset by this kid called Stephano. He was a french dude who streamed EU ladder a couple days a week. However, there were a lot of interesting qualifying games and most people still did not know who this kid was. Speed up to the actual tournament. Korean Code S players are suddenly rolled by this French Zerg, and I said rolled. Not just because he had a weird infestor plus really highly upgraded lings combo against Terran, but also because he played a weird style of ZvP that either outright killed Protosses or slowly constricted them until Broodlords make players like EG_Incontrol cry about how sad his race was. ZvZ was equally as impressive for not only me, but anyone watching him.

Stephano went on to win that tournament, and not without some insane memories like the Mothership vortex by Kiwkaki on Shattered Temple. At the end of it call Stephano decisively eliminated the following Koreans from his path:
FXO_Lucky (4-0 in the finals)
Ogs_TheSTC
FXO_Inori
MVP_Violet
Slayers_Boxer
Slayers_MMA


This french Zerg, who had been dominating EU ladder and even placed #1, was unbeknowst by other pro players. EG_Incontrol even admitted he had no idea who this guy was, although he crashed through waves of Code S korean players and made his wins look so convincing.





The Shock
Stephano said at IPL 3 that he ladders three hours a day. And then doesn't play anymore. He didn't live in a team house, he didn't practice custom games all day, he laddered for a couple hours each day while studying at university. He was an old Warcraft 3 pro. They're not supposed to be good at SC2. (Whoops, what happened with Naniwa and secretly Moon?) The pink power ranger defied all pre-conceived notions about what was necessary to be successful in SC2. It just didn't make sense that someone who only plays three hours a day crushed so many good players. It had to be a fluke.



It Wasn't
Stephano has more talent than anyone in the world. A recent post mentioned his amazing ladder run with around a 80% winrate. What will be even more scary for everyone else is that now Stephano can practice full time. He has moved to Korea with the Ogs house and has been dominating. In around 100 games Stephano reaches top 35 on the Korean ladder (4 days). I just saw him completely shut down really well microed banshees and blue flame from ForGG or OgsFin yesterday. TangSC made a post about what learned from watching his stream today. (And what Stephano could improve-nothing, jk)

Stephano will reach #1 on Korean ladder. It will be soon, too. There is no doubt(in my mind) Stephano is the best player in the world at this moment(talentwise) and he has not even reached his full potential. Others may argue that he has never tried the GSL format but Stephano is ready. He can execute a huge variety of strategies and he does things I have never seen any other Zerg do before. I have no idea why other players don't build a crap load of queens and the block hellions while wrapping around with zerglings. Why don't other players go heavy, heavy queen and roach to deal with Stargate and then have a push with what seems like a million transfuses? Because they're not Stephano. As biased as this post seems (because it is), I was not a huge Stephano hipster. I am only a avid fan of SC2 and would like to inform the rest of the community that if there is one player to watch, it is Stephano. Oh, and he won ESWC.



Stephano Hwaiting!

Stephano stream- http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Stephano
Denotation
*best player in the world according to Artosis
*Title- best player in the world according to Fahq
Incontrol gets a lot of crap in this article but I am actually a huge fan and root for him to succeed in every tournament. Any other foreigner players like Huk and Naniwa of course are fantastic, but that is not what this post is about.
I know there will be very positive and negative reactions, especially with such a cheesy title, but honest feedback is appreciated !
While doing so, please be civil to everyone else's opinions(if you want to flame Stephano or someone else's comment please flame me instead for my extremely "biased and unfounded" conclusions)
Even if you don't agree with this thread, (sane people won't), that doesn't mean that you shouldn't watch Stephano's stream or root for him
I don't like the pink power ranger stuff either, it's just...weird
BEFORE POSTING PLEASE READ FAQ
Please change title to Why I Think Stephano Is Best Player In The World, i think there's a lot of good sc2 players

Disclaimer*
The above section only lists the reasoning behind why that I, Fahq, think that Stephano will do very well in the near future and has the potential to beat everyone in GSL and at Blizzcon
I do no actually believe that Stephano is the best player in the world, he is unproven, and will not ever think that anyone is the best player in the world as it is completely objective and there are rises and falls, e.g. Bisu.


Why I think despite him being a very good player he is a moron.
Practices so little when there are so many events he could be winning.
Claimed he would only continue SC2 and avoid the university if he was making 300-400k a year. Most doctors only make 100k a year and I'm pretty sure that most people would take a bit less money to be much happier doing something they liked. Now, perhaps he will love whatever he chooses to be after going to the university, but expecting 300-400k from any job is moronic.
He doesn't go to major tournaments as much as he should.


One problem I could conceive is that you can't sustain a pro-gamer's carrier after 30 as far as we know. The oldest progamers are Boxer and Whitera and not exactly top top players. And even if they were, there is no telling as to what the limit of age in progaming really is, because it's such a young profession. On the other hand, you can be a doctor for as long as it matters for the society.

I don't know, I'm not aware of how much a pro-gamer earns, or how the sponsors will factor in as eSports grow, but it seems to me that they're kinda living the dream (for those who don't have any diploma whatsoever), and I don't know what they will do when it's over for them. They can't all be coaches or commentators...
We've seen already a good amount of players that are realistic and at least finished their studies to get some sort of college degree (like NaDa or Polt) and even players who retired (Cruncher, well he wasn't the most talented guy ever anyway but still) and others wo plan to retire unless they see guaranties in this lifestyle, like Stephano.

I guess being a progamer could be compared to being a pro soccer player, you cannot do that forever. The difference is that the most random soccer dude earns millions already (in Europe), which is not the case for a Starcraft 2 player yet.


This scenario only matters if he spoils all of his SC2 cash now. Also Slayers Boxer is 31 plays decent and has remained in esports as a coach. You can go to college in a better environment for you later in life. If he even managed to saved 150k from tournaments he wouldn't even have to work while i school (provided he obtains scholarships).
seiferoth10
Profile Joined May 2010
3362 Posts
December 12 2011 03:50 GMT
#598
This thread should be renamed "When Fandom Goes Wrong".
NightOfTheDead
Profile Joined August 2009
Lithuania1711 Posts
December 12 2011 03:52 GMT
#599
I think big s.storm incomming if stephano wont advance in blizzcup.
Moosy
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada396 Posts
December 12 2011 03:53 GMT
#600
Stephano has always been really good, just not so popular. See HSC3 vs Huk etc etc. That was until IPL3, of course.
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