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GomTV 2012 GSL Tour Changes - Page 7

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Noorgrin
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany116 Posts
December 10 2011 12:17 GMT
#121
good changes imo
Q(-_-Q)
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 12:29:39
December 10 2011 12:23 GMT
#122

Im not good at maths but aren't new seasons not that much cheaper than old ones considering that:

Code A is 40 players minimum + 8 demoted players from code S,
12 players receive code S from the RO24 ALONE, Up from 6+MLGwinner+codeAwinner in GSL OCTOBER
A further 10 players can get code S from the UP and Down matches
Code A payout is now 3 millon won or $2.8k, The rest of Code A payouts go up as well.
Considering that there are 12 ro24 brackets does that mean there are 12x 2.8k prizepools? But code S players who drop down and win can only keep their ro32 code S salary?
Updown matches Mean another potential 10 players can go to code S (assuming nobody stays in code S)

I think that some peoples calculations are wrong considering that if in the updown stage ALL PREVIOUS CODE S PLAYERS FALL TO CODE A, they will all be paid a CODE S salary, and all players moving up to code S will also be paid a code S salary. this could blow up costs in a bad season and it is definately a very very generous move by gom. Increased volatility in Code S but paying out more players each season as well.

I hope that the overall savings they make go back into GSTL prize pool. But otherwise I am very happy with the changes.
Akira_fn
Profile Joined October 2011
Denmark23 Posts
December 10 2011 12:24 GMT
#123
On December 10 2011 16:09 Waxangel wrote:
Oh hey, their prize pool just got cut by 50%.

CARMAC, I HEAR YOUR GLOATING FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC


How come the prize money is going cut in such a dramatical fashion. Is GOMtv/GSL not doing very well on the korea market? Dont they have enough korean viewers? Or has the growth of SC2 in korea just not been as large as expected, compared to ex. the west?
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
December 10 2011 12:25 GMT
#124
I'd be pissed as a player that they are doubling the length of the tournament while charging subscribers the same amount of money per time frame($10 a month) but keeping the prize pool the same. Asking more effort/entertainment from players while just pocketing the difference. It's nice that they increased the Code A money but that's chicken scratch compared to cutting the number of tournaments in half.

The only thing that would rectify this is if there is another tourney that pops up in Korea(maybe OGN?). Gonna be an interesting year.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
December 10 2011 12:27 GMT
#125
no more World Tournament? I'm a sad panda now. Especially GSTL and the World Tournament was so fun to watch because it was different from the GSL tournament.
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 12:32:11
December 10 2011 12:31 GMT
#126
I felt the prize pool was always way too top heavy towards the winner anyway and now there's even less tournaments, I mean semi final for Code S and you get only $4k. I much preferred the splits at MLG providence, NASL or IPL 2 and 3.

I loved the idea of a Super Tournament as well with a gigantic prize pool

Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
December 10 2011 12:31 GMT
#127
On December 10 2011 21:24 Akira_fn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 16:09 Waxangel wrote:
Oh hey, their prize pool just got cut by 50%.

CARMAC, I HEAR YOUR GLOATING FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC


How come the prize money is going cut in such a dramatical fashion. Is GOMtv/GSL not doing very well on the korea market? Dont they have enough korean viewers? Or has the growth of SC2 in korea just not been as large as expected, compared to ex. the west?


They don't get any money from Koreans other than through sponsorships. The subscription model only works in the "West" due to people having a hard on to watch Koreans(the best) and the disposable income. Koreans don't pay to watch the games live in the studio, they are provided 1080p free streams through GOM. So their whole business plan is practically selling subscriptions to foreigners. From the leak 3 months ago they had sold $1.5 mil of subscriptions up to that point. Who knows exactly how much of that turned into profit or how much it was used for studio/event/salaries but it's a large chunk of change.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
MichaelEU
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands816 Posts
December 10 2011 12:40 GMT
#128
I know a while back you heard stories of GOM struggling financially (no details of course). At any rate, I wish them the best for all the awesome and effort they've delivered so far and will keep buying the occasional season ticket.
世界を革命する力を!― znf: "Michael-oniichan ( *^▽^*)ノ✩キラ✩"
Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 10 2011 12:43 GMT
#129
I like these new changes
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Phelix
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1931 Posts
December 10 2011 12:43 GMT
#130
Could the decrease in tournament funding caused by the decreased commitment by Blizzard in sponsoring GOM tournaments? IIRC, they sponsored half of GOM's tournament winnings in 2011. Decreasing the amount of GSLs and spreading them out is better for the viewer, but I dislike the changes done with the GSTL.
Venture Capital is better off spent on lottery tickets rather than investing in E-Sports; you'll get a far better return. The difference is simple: Koreans are tryharding at the game, foreigners are tryharding in real-life.
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
December 10 2011 12:50 GMT
#131
good changes,
longer individual seasons with more games for the earlier rounds is great, it will mean the best players are more likely to advance. This in turn is likely to make the finals better and since there are only 5 it will be better anyway.

super tournament was ok but won't be missing it. Regular GSL is more fun imo.
world championship was fun to see foreigners play against non-foreigners but that role is being done by MLG anyways now.. With less GSL matches the koreans will have more time to go to MLG's which is only better.

Team league changes are fine, I don't really care much about it but still.
danakaz
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark84 Posts
December 10 2011 12:55 GMT
#132
Awesome news, that group play will be bo3. Will also give players more time to practice for their specific opponents.

I'm excited for GSL 2012.
FunnelC4kes
Profile Joined July 2010
Ireland462 Posts
December 10 2011 12:55 GMT
#133
yay! BO3 group stages!! I've wanted that for Soooo long!

I don't mind that it is going to take, like 3 months to finish, or whatever. I think that just makes the tournament that much more illustrious to win. I'm surprised that they didn't up the prize money for the Code S, though... I figured less tournaments would mean they could up it a little bit, at least.... but giving the Code S players who fall from grace more money is nice, gives them a reward for having made it there in the first place.

Good news! Thanks for reportin'
Scholar. Shaman. Starcraft Enthusiast.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
December 10 2011 13:01 GMT
#134
Longer GSL seasons = good

I approve
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
December 10 2011 13:04 GMT
#135
Sad that the ST and WC is no more but other than that it seems fairly ok.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
December 10 2011 13:06 GMT
#136
Really like the BO3 groups actually, longer games will guarantee the best player goes through with longer seasons, will allow great matches from the beginning of the season. Sad about the additional competitions being cut, hopefully the financial situation isn't too bad with GOM but one has to assume they need to save somehow.
NPF
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1635 Posts
December 10 2011 13:07 GMT
#137
On December 10 2011 21:10 careohx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 16:09 Waxangel wrote:
Oh hey, their prize pool just got cut by 50%.

CARMAC, I HEAR YOUR GLOATING FROM ACROSS THE ATLANTIC


I bet Sundance has the biggest grin on his face right now. MLG is going to be superimportant now for TOP koreans for the money.


You are aware that winning the GSL is still 50k minimum and winning an mlg was 5k. So unless Sundance increases the money to something like 10-15 k it won't be substantial. You get 1.3k for being in the round of 32 of code S which was something like a top 5 finish in mlg tournaments.

Anyhow, happy about the changes.
SoniStreet
Profile Joined October 2010
Macedonia98 Posts
December 10 2011 13:17 GMT
#138
I'm very happy with every single change including the removal of Super/World tour. This will put the entire focus on the GSL Code S <3 Good job gom! And thanks for translating ours truly
Do the thing you fear and the death of fear is certain
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 13:41:10
December 10 2011 13:38 GMT
#139
There are still too many GSL's a year for it to feel prestigious imho.

Although I suppose with no other Korean alternative 5 or so champions a year is less than BW's 6. But then MSL wins weren't exactly the biggest thing in the world.
"The White Woman Speaks in Tongues That Are All Lies" - Incontrol; Member #37 of the Chill Fanclub
Inertia_EU
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom513 Posts
December 10 2011 13:40 GMT
#140
On December 10 2011 16:42 chatuka wrote:
i feel bad for the Koreans that need to make a living off of this. I see lots of Koreans quitting the game or joining foreign teams in 2012. There will be many thread of players going to Quantic, Complexity, EG, or liquid. The prize pool now for foreign tournaments outweigh the prize pool for the GSL tournaments.

IPL 50K with 100K prize pool
NASL 80-100 K prize pool
5 MLG Will have bigger prize pools next year (my guess is 50K each tournament)=250K to 500 K
Dreamhack (60 K)
IEM (50K)
HomeStory Cup (50K)

There are even more tournaments than I have named

So the Question is Why if I was a lower tier player fight like heck just scratch a living from GSL. When i have a great chance of making a serious living at foreign tournaments...


Homestory's got 50k?!
Bloody hell TaKe, you badass
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