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Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
December 10 2011 13:45 GMT
#141
good that they removed world champ. and super tournament and concentrate on GSL only. If they manage to do a good job with streaming the GSL (which means not 8 bo3s on one day) then I will buy the yearly pass.
TheBamf
Profile Joined June 2011
Denmark366 Posts
December 10 2011 13:48 GMT
#142
Waow, nice changes !
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Seriox
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 14:07:53
December 10 2011 13:55 GMT
#143
Why is there such a big decrease of the prizemoney? Is GOM in danger to go out of business? Really curious...
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
December 10 2011 14:14 GMT
#144
I'm confused about the new group seeding system. Anyone care to clarify? So I'm guessing it's now just all randomly generated in RO32? And then again in Ro16?
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Ninjahoe
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden148 Posts
December 10 2011 14:19 GMT
#145
On December 10 2011 23:14 pdd wrote:
I'm confused about the new group seeding system. Anyone care to clarify? So I'm guessing it's now just all randomly generated in RO32? And then again in Ro16?


I'm not sure, but pretty confident that this is how it will work.
Top 8 finishers from last season all goes to diffrent groups.
Other 24 are randomly put into these groups.

Ro16 there is this picking starting with what i only can assume to be 2 groupwinners in each group, and then they choose 1 each to join them.

This is how i understood it from OP.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 10 2011 14:23 GMT
#146
I'm glad Code A gets bigger prize pool. Thanks for the info/news & Translation!
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mark05
Profile Joined March 2009
Canada807 Posts
December 10 2011 14:26 GMT
#147
all good changes except no world tournament , and yea gstl should be just like proleague, small seasons are bad
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ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
December 10 2011 14:47 GMT
#148
thanks to gom for the change. tge code s group stages really werent great at all
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Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
December 10 2011 15:00 GMT
#149
hmm, some good changes some not that great, but i think its better than the old format
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aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 10 2011 15:02 GMT
#150
how does the code a prize money work since theres no "winners" does everyone who participate get it or something?
Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
December 10 2011 15:02 GMT
#151
I like the longer seasons, mainly because players not have to play as often which makes them more likely to travel overseas for other tournaments since the schedule allows for it.
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 10 2011 15:04 GMT
#152
homestory cup, the prize pool was 5000 euros. correction.
Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:08:53
December 10 2011 15:08 GMT
#153
Bo3 in group stages : =D
Group selection : :-|
No WC : :-(
No ST : =(
No prize pool increase : =(
GSTL : :-|

Overall : :-(
nekuodah
Profile Joined August 2010
England2409 Posts
December 10 2011 15:11 GMT
#154
I like the longer season and more prize money alot! seeded group selection should help out the best quite a bit too. Not really a fan of gstl change i actually enjoyed last seasons format quite a bit.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 10 2011 15:14 GMT
#155
Bo3 in group stages is of course a welcome change, and perhaps GSL will feel a little longer now. No WC is sad, but I'm not shedding any tears for the Super Tournament, didn't really see the point of it anyway. GSTL change I have no idea.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
December 10 2011 15:29 GMT
#156
On December 10 2011 22:55 Seriox wrote:
Why is there such a big decrease of the prizemoney? Is GOM in danger to go out of business? Really curious...


Where does it say that there is a decrease? It says Code S prize money stays the same and Code A prize money is increased. You might want to reread what the OP says.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
December 10 2011 15:35 GMT
#157
On December 10 2011 15:13 illsick wrote:
only 5 GSL's in 2012 and no WC or super tournament :/

I like it, it helps each individual season become a bigger deal and moves it toward being more prestigious like the OSL/MSL.

Only complaint is that I'd like to see Bo5s from the beginning, and then Bo7 in the semis/finals. I feel 3 creates too much of a chance for a lesser player to advance if they get an easy build order win or favorable maps. Plus I'd just like to see more games in general.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
December 10 2011 15:37 GMT
#158
I like the fact that there will be fewer and longer seasons. Each win will mean more and build more hype. Good decision!
Bio-Leera
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:43:15
December 10 2011 15:41 GMT
#159
On December 10 2011 15:47 Primadog wrote:
Okay, went through the GSTL part again (thanks for the translation Selith!):

The new GSTL has three stages, with following outline based on a league of 10 teams:

I. "Prelim" - Start with 10
- Top two teams (based on past GSTL, starting with MvP and Prime) skips this stage (2 advances)
- Teams are paired up randomly to play a single set against each other
- Winner advances to next stage (4 advances)
- Losers play against each other for advancement (2 advance, 2 eliminated)

Sets played
Seeded: 0
Winner: 1
Loser: 2

II. "Group Stage" - Start with 8
- The group stage consists of two groups
- Each group consists of one seeded team (1), two winners from Stage I (2), and one team that does not get eliminated (1)
- Played in "Dual Tournament" format, similar to the GSL group stage currently (ie: winner play winner, loser play loser, winner play loser)
- Bottom two eliminated; top 2 of each group stage advance (4 advance total)

Sets played
rank 1: 2
rank 2: 3
rank 3: 3
rank 4: 2

III. "Finals" - Start with 4
- single elimination, rank #1 plays rank #2

Sets played
Champion: 2
Runner-up: 2
3rd & 4th: 1




The translation did not go into how the stages are adjusted for more than 10 teams, but the overall structure is fairly flexible for a league of any size. The I. Prelim provides for the possibility of cutting more than two teams to leave the group stage for a rounded number (a power-of-2).

The changes made sense in context of avoiding excessive time-commitment for foreign teams. The minimum number of sets a team play is 2, which depends on scheduling is 1 or 2 weeks, much less than the 5 expected from the first GSTL. Dual tournament was probably adopted because it has the advantage over the standard round-robin by never requiring for a tie-breaker, or require messy point systems. Of course, this also means that certain desirable matchups will never be played, simply because of the way bracket unfolds.

Overall, the GSTL changes have sound reasoning. The only critic I have for it is that it may be confusing to introduce another new format (the previous one only had one run), and that multiple stages does not provide for bracket-theorycrafting (something invaluable for engaging hardcore fans).



so if GSTL moves forward with only 10 teams then there will only be 16 matches before the final bracket. Compared to the 30 matches of last season. I guess fantasy GSTL could still work but there is nearly half as many matches.

hopefully EG and TL will join and we'll have a bigger roster for more matches.

Could anyone explain how you would resolve a loser's bracket with odd number of teams?

overall big hit to fantasy GSTL... Here's hoping they find some way to make it work. Maybe new korean teams will come out of the wood work pad the roster a bit. what are the qualifications for joining GSTL? Is it still invite based?
Seriox
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany373 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 15:42:49
December 10 2011 15:42 GMT
#160
On December 11 2011 00:29 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 22:55 Seriox wrote:
Why is there such a big decrease of the prizemoney? Is GOM in danger to go out of business? Really curious...


Where does it say that there is a decrease? It says Code S prize money stays the same and Code A prize money is increased. You might want to reread what the OP says.

Well, I think you got my point wrong. I mean the overall prizemoney in one year. Like, you said, the Code S prize money stays the same, but with less Code S seasons, it's a reduction of the prizemoney which is paid to the players. (in one year)
And without the ST and the WC they save even more money.

Thats why I'm so curious if GOM is in danger to go out of business..
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