EPTGomTV 2012 GSL Tour Changes - Page 9
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bpgbcg
United States74 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:42 Seriox wrote: Well, I think you got my point wrong. I mean the overall prizemoney in one year. Like, you said, the Code S prize money stays the same, but with less Code S seasons, it's a reduction of the prizemoney which is paid to the players. (in one year) And without the ST and the WC they save even more money. Thats why I'm so curious if GOM is in danger to go out of business.. Highly doubt GOM is losing money with their SC2 division. If anything, it has made their company even more popular since they are basically monopolizing the SC2 viewership in Korea. | ||
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Cobbbler
United States60 Posts
Will miss the World Championship. I thought it was one of best tournament concepts to date, and it didn't disappoint. GSTL...I'm torn. In truth, I've never followed a Pro League season, although I did follow GSTL. What I didn't like about GSTL: Near the end there were match ups that just didn't matter because the teams that were going to be in the next round were basically already determined. At least now, the matches will have more value. What I did like though, is that since not all matches were of the utmost importance for making it to the next round, players who were less well know had a chance to be in the spotlight. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
I really like the increase in Code A money. We all know from the constant reminders from Artosis and others that GSL is really the only major source of income for the Korean progamers who can't be sent to international tournaments. More money for the kids down in Code A can only be a good thing.  Other that that, GSTL changes just plain sound complicated. I probably wouldn't have understood them completely sober. But everything else that's changed I can get behind/accept. Good stuff! | ||
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
Turn all the extra prize money and put it into GSTL. Make GSTL the biggest tournament. There will be more focus on teams + star players. Hype it up and sponsors will come running in since a team tournament is much more exciting and can pull more audience in. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:21 poorcloud wrote: Why can't gstl just follow pro league format? Theres a reason it worked so well in BW and is so popular. Turn all the extra prize money and put it into GSTL. Make GSTL the biggest tournament. There will be more focus on teams + star players. Hype it up and sponsors will come running in since a team tournament is much more exciting and can pull more audience in. It would be smart for them to wait and see what KeSPA does with SC2 (along with current BW teams) before committing to a full league format | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:17 Mauldo wrote: Wait, so I'm confused on the prize money thing. Does it just mean that a Code S player who falls to Code A will get more money? Excuse the probably dumb question, I'm still mega hungover from my "Last day before Finals" party last night. I really like the increase in Code A money. We all know from the constant reminders from Artosis and others that GSL is really the only major source of income for the Korean progamers who can't be sent to international tournaments. More money for the kids down in Code A can only be a good thing. Other that that, GSTL changes just plain sound complicated. I probably wouldn't have understood them completely sober. But everything else that's changed I can get behind/accept. Good stuff! If you start out in Code S and falls to Code A Round, then you still get the Code S pay. This site is in Korean, but you can still figure out how everyone is going to get paid. Also, notice the DRASTIC prize pool increase in GSTL. http://img.gomtv.com/upload/1323/4981/9290/756833.jpg | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
=[ isnt 8 weeks abit too long for a tournament? lol no its not, i never followed BW but osl was about 4 months- longer seasons are better because players have more time to prepare for matches and produce better games. Plus then it will mean ALOT more if you win a GSL trophy next year ( not that it wasn't a big deal this year, but still) | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:35 MadNeSs wrote: isnt 8 weeks abit too long for a tournament? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL watch an OSL/MSL....hell watch how long it took TSL3 to finish. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
Nevertheless, while fewer, but lengthier GSLs create more prestige, it also means it will be harder for Korean teams to get by if they are poorly sponsored. Those relying on GSL winnings to get by will essentially have their paychecks (of the same for Code S, slightly more for Code A) coming in only about half as often with only 5 GSLs a year. Edit Actually, I did some bad math. It is still quite a big downsizing. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:45 mrRoflpwn wrote: cool changes- but i really like the world championship =[ lol no its not, i never followed BW but osl was about 4 months- longer seasons are better because players have more time to prepare for matches and produce better games. Plus then it will mean ALOT more if you win a GSL trophy next year ( not that it wasn't a big deal this year, but still) That's very subjective. It's really not always the case that longer time to prepare produces better games, a lot of the time it's the exact opposite. Given a week or two to train for one opponent players will often come up with some very ultra specific cheese/strategy that meta games whatever their opponent tends to do and can result in very lopsided stomp fests. MLG type tournaments often have better games. Of course, both formats can produce good games but I wouldn't say longer is always better. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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Lord_J
Kenya1085 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:59 jellyjello wrote: Highly doubt GOM is losing money with their SC2 division. If anything, it has made their company even more popular since they are basically monopolizing the SC2 viewership in Korea. You dont make those kinds of cuts unless you are losing money ... | ||
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Bengui
Canada775 Posts
On December 11 2011 00:29 Kieofire wrote: Where does it say that there is a decrease? It says Code S prize money stays the same and Code A prize money is increased. You might want to reread what the OP says. And you might want to read between the lines. The prize we pay to watch a GSL season has increased, and having longer seasons means that GomTV makes more money with advertisements and sponsorship per season. Increasing the code A prize pool in very nice, but with all the revenue the new system will bring them, I think they could also have boosted the Code S prize too. | ||
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nufcrulz
Singapore934 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:59 juicyjames wrote: Thanks for that image. If you factor in just how much the Code A and GSTL prize pool increases are over the course of the year then it appears GomTV and the GSL isn't "saving" or "downsizing" quite as much as people thought. Nevertheless, while fewer, but lengthier GSLs create more prestige, it also means it will be harder for Korean teams to get by if they are poorly sponsored. Those relying on GSL winnings to get by will essentially have their paychecks (of the same for Code S, slightly more for Code A) coming in only about half as often with only 5 GSLs a year. GSTL prize pool is still almost exactly the same as season 1 of this year. Total Code A prize pool will be about 32 million won per tournament next year compared to 13 million won this year But there'll only be 5 Code A seasons next year compared to 7 this year, which comes up to a total prize pool increase of 69 million won (+) Total Code S prize pool will decrease because there'll be two seasons less which comes up to a prize pool decrease of 264 million won (-) We also have to consider that there won't be the world championships or the super tournament, which comes up to a prize pool decrease of 312 million won (-) So we have a total decrease of at least 500 million won.. So essentially GOM is cutting close to USD500,000 in expenses (about 40% of their total prize pool) for the next year. How is this not significant downsizing? | ||
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