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tubs
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On December 10 2011 08:44 StarStruck wrote: Have you been following anything we've been saying in the CH thread with regards to practice on ladder and the fact that it's a pro's smurf account. ._. Whoops no I haven't. Sorry for the mistake claiming that was Hydra. Didn't know it was a smurf. | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:32 MichaelJLowell wrote: I'm so happy that the hardcore Brood War junkies painted themselves into a corner. On one end, they've spent the last two years talking about some skill ceiling nonsense and coin-flip victories, and that StarCraft II is too volatile. All the while, these same players trumpet a narrative that "Once Flash and Fantasy and Jaedong switch over, everyone is going to get their ass kicked sooooo bad, lol!" So, either "StarCraft II has a low skill ceiling" or "The Brood War players are going to dominate, just like they always did"? Which one is going to blow up in their faces? The skill ceiling is low but no one has reached it yet, so the bw pros will be the first to reach it and dominate everyone? | ||
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Mpq
Sweden18 Posts
edit. now he just did. but late and necessary, rather than late game mindset | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:35 Mpq wrote: I have just seen a few games on his stream so this might be abit off.. But does he ever go for upgrades and a longterm gameplan? Seems like he got a really narrow comfort zone. He pretty much does timings every game, like hardcore timings where you can't expand behind them. He might as well pull SCV with some of them. He just failed to kill Stephanos third, so the game is 100% over. | ||
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MichaelJLowell
United States610 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:33 Ktk wrote: The skill ceiling is low but no one has reached it yet, so the bw pros will be the first to reach it and dominate everyone? Works for me. Then we can just bombard the haters with "You guys weren't playing the game at a near-optimal level, anyway, so why should I take anything you say seriously?" | ||
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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theBizness
United States696 Posts
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GreatestThreat
United States631 Posts
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Ktk
Korea (South)753 Posts
Not to derail I'd like to see Forgg play a macro game. Or maybe his style is one that just avoids macro games? Maybe we've expected to see a macro game from Forgg when it's not the optimal playstyle for terran(?). Also his style is very similar every game, I feel like he has potential to get "figured out", but I fully expect him to have other builds that he isn't showing on stream. | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:42 GreatestThreat wrote: Stephano just ROLLED holy shit.. Ehh, Forgg kinda through that game away, didn't react to infestors at all. Still looks like he needs a bit more tuning in some area | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:32 MichaelJLowell wrote: I'm so happy that the hardcore Brood War junkies painted themselves into a corner. On one end, they've spent the last two years talking about some skill ceiling nonsense and coin-flip victories, and that StarCraft II is too volatile. All the while, these same players trumpet a narrative that "Once Flash and Fantasy and Jaedong switch over, everyone is going to get their ass kicked sooooo bad, lol!" So, either "StarCraft II has a low skill ceiling" or "The Brood War players are going to dominate, just like they always did"? Which one is going to blow up in their faces? I love how people label BW players elitist fucks based off a few articles. If you skimmed through the last few CH pages you would know I addressed such shit already. There are skill ceilings in every game buck-o thus it isn't as nonsensical as you make it out to be. ZvZ in BW is just as volatile as PvP in SC2. I can go on. Since it's such an old topic though I rather not. intrigue doesn't speak for everyone. You are basing shit off of someone's article. I don't feel like going back in the CH thread and re-quoting myself but a lot of the information is there with regards to the four pillars and what I think will happen. I refuse to repeat myself again, so happy hunting. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:42 GreatestThreat wrote: Stephano just ROLLED holy shit.. That's what happens when all you run the same opening blindly every game ^_^ Seems like he has almost no transition into mid to late game, and relies heavily on just out macroing/microing his opponents into the ground on ladder. His GSL games though look very different, with him having very distinct timings and transitions out of those timings. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:48 superstartran wrote: That's what happens when all you run the same opening blindly every game ^_^ That's what they do in practice on ladder. Same cookie cutter build to practice mechanics and control. With that said, they seem to be alternating a lot (Sage/Stephano/FOrGG/Leenock/Bomber). | ||
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:48 superstartran wrote: That's what happens when all you run the same opening blindly every game ^_^ Seems like he has almost no transition into mid to late game, and relies heavily on just out macroing/microing his opponents into the ground on ladder. His GSL games though look very different, with him having very distinct timings and transitions out of those timings. Yeah I honestly think he's just practicing mechanics at this point and trying to trick people into thinking he only has one build. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
This is what they did in BW as well. Practice one static/safe build so they know it like the back of their hand. Branch out after. The opening he is doing is to practice his mechanics and not much else. Daily repetition. Repetition. Repetition. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On December 10 2011 09:54 StarStruck wrote: They aren't trying to trick anybody. This is what they did in BW as well. Practice one static/safe build so they know it like the back of their hand. Branch out after. The opening he is doing is to practice his mechanics and not much else. Yeah the build he's running focuses heavily on harassing while macroing behind it. Seems like a good build to run if you are just trying to improve your mechanics. | ||
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StarStruck
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