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On December 11 2011 00:16 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:57 Oktyabr wrote:On December 10 2011 14:51 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 Talack wrote:On December 10 2011 10:24 Razuik wrote:On December 10 2011 09:58 SkimGuy wrote:On December 10 2011 08:40 tubs wrote:
Finally seeing the mortal side of fOrGG. He just went up against CJEntushydra (a current A+ class BW player) and has lost a few times in a row. His hyper aggressive style doesn't quite work on BW zergs.
Then again, he definitely seems to be fooling around and trying out timing attack builds, but it'd be interesting to see how he does against other Zergs that have solid defence. Well I would imagine that Hydra could beat ForGG in either game easily. He's a much better player than him How can you say that Hydra can EASILY beat Forgg in sc2? What 100% factual data do you have on Hydra's Starcraft 2 skill? INC arguements about BW pros beating BW pros in sc2 now hahahahahaha Seriously it's getting out of control and it's just hilarious "Oh yeah he was a-teamer, well this guy is a higher a-teamer, well this guy was a lower-s class player, well this giuy was a mid-range s class player" and it'll go on forever until some 16 year old kid with no experiance in ethier one will come in and wipe the floor with every single BW/SC2 player and we'll forget about ethier ones every existing. Probably not for another couple years though. Do you realize you just said a 16 year old with no experience in EITHER game(including SC2 in that statement there), will come one day and beat everyone at SC2? Come now, at least make some sense in your post. And assuming that previous RTS experience and talent has any correlation at all on performance(which, you know, almost every pro who has any sort of winning record has some RTS experience under the belt), then Hydra beating fOrGG based off of that assumption doesn't seem so farfetched. I thought that's how Flash came about? Out of nowhere at the age of 15? The guy you quote has already stated that it wouldn't happen for a couple more years, and it's not that improbable. I was pointing out that his statement was illogical because he stated that the kid would have no experience in SC2 as well. Flash had a ton of experience before he signed on with KT. His statement basically says that the kid will pick up the game and magically become god the first time he plays it, whether that was his intention or not.
Oh god talk about taking what he wrote waaaaaaaaay too literal LOL
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On December 11 2011 00:16 Weedk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:57 Oktyabr wrote:On December 10 2011 14:51 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 Talack wrote:On December 10 2011 10:24 Razuik wrote:On December 10 2011 09:58 SkimGuy wrote:On December 10 2011 08:40 tubs wrote:
Finally seeing the mortal side of fOrGG. He just went up against CJEntushydra (a current A+ class BW player) and has lost a few times in a row. His hyper aggressive style doesn't quite work on BW zergs.
Then again, he definitely seems to be fooling around and trying out timing attack builds, but it'd be interesting to see how he does against other Zergs that have solid defence. Well I would imagine that Hydra could beat ForGG in either game easily. He's a much better player than him How can you say that Hydra can EASILY beat Forgg in sc2? What 100% factual data do you have on Hydra's Starcraft 2 skill? INC arguements about BW pros beating BW pros in sc2 now hahahahahaha Seriously it's getting out of control and it's just hilarious "Oh yeah he was a-teamer, well this guy is a higher a-teamer, well this guy was a lower-s class player, well this giuy was a mid-range s class player" and it'll go on forever until some 16 year old kid with no experiance in ethier one will come in and wipe the floor with every single BW/SC2 player and we'll forget about ethier ones every existing. Probably not for another couple years though. Do you realize you just said a 16 year old with no experience in EITHER game(including SC2 in that statement there), will come one day and beat everyone at SC2? Come now, at least make some sense in your post. And assuming that previous RTS experience and talent has any correlation at all on performance(which, you know, almost every pro who has any sort of winning record has some RTS experience under the belt), then Hydra beating fOrGG based off of that assumption doesn't seem so farfetched. I thought that's how Flash came about? Out of nowhere at the age of 15? The guy you quote has already stated that it wouldn't happen for a couple more years, and it's not that improbable. I was pointing out that his statement was illogical because he stated that the kid would have no experience in SC2 as well. Flash had a ton of experience before he signed on with KT. His statement basically says that the kid will pick up the game and magically become god the first time he plays it, whether that was his intention or not.
I think hes saying that it's highly possible that a young player (who might only be 10 years old right now, and at this moment may never have played BW/SC2) may one day be the best SC2 player in the world.
It sounds crazy, but that is basically the same story of Flash taking over the BW scene.
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On December 11 2011 00:27 thepeonwhocould wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:16 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:57 Oktyabr wrote:On December 10 2011 14:51 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 Talack wrote:On December 10 2011 10:24 Razuik wrote:On December 10 2011 09:58 SkimGuy wrote:On December 10 2011 08:40 tubs wrote:
Finally seeing the mortal side of fOrGG. He just went up against CJEntushydra (a current A+ class BW player) and has lost a few times in a row. His hyper aggressive style doesn't quite work on BW zergs.
Then again, he definitely seems to be fooling around and trying out timing attack builds, but it'd be interesting to see how he does against other Zergs that have solid defence. Well I would imagine that Hydra could beat ForGG in either game easily. He's a much better player than him How can you say that Hydra can EASILY beat Forgg in sc2? What 100% factual data do you have on Hydra's Starcraft 2 skill? INC arguements about BW pros beating BW pros in sc2 now hahahahahaha Seriously it's getting out of control and it's just hilarious "Oh yeah he was a-teamer, well this guy is a higher a-teamer, well this guy was a lower-s class player, well this giuy was a mid-range s class player" and it'll go on forever until some 16 year old kid with no experiance in ethier one will come in and wipe the floor with every single BW/SC2 player and we'll forget about ethier ones every existing. Probably not for another couple years though. Do you realize you just said a 16 year old with no experience in EITHER game(including SC2 in that statement there), will come one day and beat everyone at SC2? Come now, at least make some sense in your post. And assuming that previous RTS experience and talent has any correlation at all on performance(which, you know, almost every pro who has any sort of winning record has some RTS experience under the belt), then Hydra beating fOrGG based off of that assumption doesn't seem so farfetched. I thought that's how Flash came about? Out of nowhere at the age of 15? The guy you quote has already stated that it wouldn't happen for a couple more years, and it's not that improbable. I was pointing out that his statement was illogical because he stated that the kid would have no experience in SC2 as well. Flash had a ton of experience before he signed on with KT. His statement basically says that the kid will pick up the game and magically become god the first time he plays it, whether that was his intention or not. I think hes saying that it's highly possible that a young player (who might only be 10 years old right now, and at this moment may never have played BW/SC2) may one day be the best SC2 player in the world. It sounds crazy, but that is basically the same story of Flash taking over the BW scene.
I don't think it sounds crazy at all, every good player essentially came out of nowhere at one point.
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On December 11 2011 00:27 thepeonwhocould wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:16 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:57 Oktyabr wrote:On December 10 2011 14:51 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 Talack wrote:On December 10 2011 10:24 Razuik wrote:On December 10 2011 09:58 SkimGuy wrote:On December 10 2011 08:40 tubs wrote:
Finally seeing the mortal side of fOrGG. He just went up against CJEntushydra (a current A+ class BW player) and has lost a few times in a row. His hyper aggressive style doesn't quite work on BW zergs.
Then again, he definitely seems to be fooling around and trying out timing attack builds, but it'd be interesting to see how he does against other Zergs that have solid defence. Well I would imagine that Hydra could beat ForGG in either game easily. He's a much better player than him How can you say that Hydra can EASILY beat Forgg in sc2? What 100% factual data do you have on Hydra's Starcraft 2 skill? INC arguements about BW pros beating BW pros in sc2 now hahahahahaha Seriously it's getting out of control and it's just hilarious "Oh yeah he was a-teamer, well this guy is a higher a-teamer, well this guy was a lower-s class player, well this giuy was a mid-range s class player" and it'll go on forever until some 16 year old kid with no experiance in ethier one will come in and wipe the floor with every single BW/SC2 player and we'll forget about ethier ones every existing. Probably not for another couple years though. Do you realize you just said a 16 year old with no experience in EITHER game(including SC2 in that statement there), will come one day and beat everyone at SC2? Come now, at least make some sense in your post. And assuming that previous RTS experience and talent has any correlation at all on performance(which, you know, almost every pro who has any sort of winning record has some RTS experience under the belt), then Hydra beating fOrGG based off of that assumption doesn't seem so farfetched. I thought that's how Flash came about? Out of nowhere at the age of 15? The guy you quote has already stated that it wouldn't happen for a couple more years, and it's not that improbable. I was pointing out that his statement was illogical because he stated that the kid would have no experience in SC2 as well. Flash had a ton of experience before he signed on with KT. His statement basically says that the kid will pick up the game and magically become god the first time he plays it, whether that was his intention or not. I think hes saying that it's highly possible that a young player (who might only be 10 years old right now, and at this moment may never have played BW/SC2) may one day be the best SC2 player in the world. It sounds crazy, but that is basically the same story of Flash taking over the BW scene.
Yes, I know Flash's background story very well. And I did take that statement very literally because well, the way it was written did not make for a good argument. While I understand the intention, his way of getting it across was inefficient. Yes, there will be new players who will one day dominate the scene due to their dedication and hard work. Because that's what history has shown us time and time again.
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On December 11 2011 00:27 thepeonwhocould wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 00:16 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 14:57 Oktyabr wrote:On December 10 2011 14:51 Weedk wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 Talack wrote:On December 10 2011 10:24 Razuik wrote:On December 10 2011 09:58 SkimGuy wrote:On December 10 2011 08:40 tubs wrote:
Finally seeing the mortal side of fOrGG. He just went up against CJEntushydra (a current A+ class BW player) and has lost a few times in a row. His hyper aggressive style doesn't quite work on BW zergs.
Then again, he definitely seems to be fooling around and trying out timing attack builds, but it'd be interesting to see how he does against other Zergs that have solid defence. Well I would imagine that Hydra could beat ForGG in either game easily. He's a much better player than him How can you say that Hydra can EASILY beat Forgg in sc2? What 100% factual data do you have on Hydra's Starcraft 2 skill? INC arguements about BW pros beating BW pros in sc2 now hahahahahaha Seriously it's getting out of control and it's just hilarious "Oh yeah he was a-teamer, well this guy is a higher a-teamer, well this guy was a lower-s class player, well this giuy was a mid-range s class player" and it'll go on forever until some 16 year old kid with no experiance in ethier one will come in and wipe the floor with every single BW/SC2 player and we'll forget about ethier ones every existing. Probably not for another couple years though. Do you realize you just said a 16 year old with no experience in EITHER game(including SC2 in that statement there), will come one day and beat everyone at SC2? Come now, at least make some sense in your post. And assuming that previous RTS experience and talent has any correlation at all on performance(which, you know, almost every pro who has any sort of winning record has some RTS experience under the belt), then Hydra beating fOrGG based off of that assumption doesn't seem so farfetched. I thought that's how Flash came about? Out of nowhere at the age of 15? The guy you quote has already stated that it wouldn't happen for a couple more years, and it's not that improbable. I was pointing out that his statement was illogical because he stated that the kid would have no experience in SC2 as well. Flash had a ton of experience before he signed on with KT. His statement basically says that the kid will pick up the game and magically become god the first time he plays it, whether that was his intention or not. I think hes saying that it's highly possible that a young player (who might only be 10 years old right now, and at this moment may never have played BW/SC2) may one day be the best SC2 player in the world. It sounds crazy, but that is basically the same story of Flash taking over the BW scene.
It isn't crazy at all.
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Was that really CJ Entus' Hydra playing ForGG?
I HIGHLY doubt it's the real BW Hydra, who's still on CJ Entus and appeared in Proleague a few days ago. I just can't see Hydra juggle BW proleague demands while also raping Korean GMs in SC2 at the same time, not even for a close-to-S-Class player.
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Could someone please tell me why he hotkeys only 1 CC and has the other one bound to 9 or 0? TT Makes me sad he's playing the game like this and making it harder on himeslf.
And no, it was not the real hydra.
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On December 11 2011 04:27 HardMacro wrote:
Was that really CJ Entus' Hydra playing ForGG?
I HIGHLY doubt it's the real BW Hydra, who's still on CJ Entus and appeared in Proleague a few days ago. I just can't see Hydra juggle BW proleague demands while also raping Korean GMs in SC2 at the same time, not even for a close-to-S-Class player.
It looked like Leenock's style of play so it was probably a Leenock smurf.
Hydra is ranked #2 by KeSPA for recent performance such as winning an MSL. He's pretty close to S-class.
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From watching his stream he is one of the cheesiest people I have ever seen :O
but my god
is
that
scary
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greed is good
cheese is good too
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He's especially brutal against zergs with his hellion openings into cloacked banshee into thors right when mutas arrive in his main, he's able to constantly apply pressure on zerg opponent
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On December 11 2011 08:03 Odoakar wrote:
He's especially brutal against zergs with his hellion openings into cloacked banshee into thors right when mutas arrive in his main, he's able to constantly apply pressure on zerg opponent
The funny thing is he needs like 20 drone kills otherwise he'll probably lose the game.
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On December 11 2011 08:04 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 08:03 Odoakar wrote:
He's especially brutal against zergs with his hellion openings into cloacked banshee into thors right when mutas arrive in his main, he's able to constantly apply pressure on zerg opponent The funny thing is he needs like 20 drone kills otherwise he'll probably lose the game.
You need to kill drones when you do hellion into banshee openers?! no way!
It's a build to punish ppl that play so greedy, which most people do in the current metagame. It's not rocket science that you need to do damage to make it work aswell...
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The point is you need to do a LOT of damage, but he ends up winning quite often anyway.
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On December 11 2011 07:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
From watching his stream he is one of the cheesiest people I have ever seen :O
but my god
is
that
scary
I don't consider him to be a cheeser, he just has an ULTRA AGGRESSIVE style that takes advantage of his micro and multi tasking. Look at his TVZ style. You might think that opening up reactor hellion into cloaked banshee as cheesy, but with this style, forgg never allows the zerg to establish an economy because he is always killing drones directly or indirectly by forcing a lot of lings or sniping queens which throws off inject timings.
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On December 11 2011 00:19 HappyChris wrote:Uhh that wont go easy with the BW community hehe
I'm surprised this has been ignored, it went down a shit storm on Reddit.
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On December 11 2011 08:12 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 07:15 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
From watching his stream he is one of the cheesiest people I have ever seen :O
but my god
is
that
scary I don't consider him to be a cheeser, he just has an ULTRA AGGRESSIVE style that takes advantage of his micro and multi tasking. Look at his TVZ style. You might think that opening up reactor hellion into cloaked banshee as cheesy, but with this style, forgg never allows the zerg to establish an economy because he is always killing drones directly or indirectly by forcing a lot of lings or sniping queens which throws off inject timings.
Pretty sure (s)he was referring to all the proxy rax's, 1/1/1's, mass rax all ins etc that he does. They're pretty frequent xD
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ForGG is so skilled that even if he is all-ining he is just actually playing a macro game because he is able to control the units perfectly
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Quite skilled, but cheesy. Hellion into banshees opener followed by marine medivacs and tanks push that usually ends the game into 3 ads. ;-)
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People are surprised by cheesy play? It's just ladder.
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