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brucebanner
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway31 Posts
December 02 2011 19:48 GMT
#261
Oooooh, my Gooooood. So excited. Hoping to see some DeMuslim, been a while since he's been a presence.
So many EG, Liquid and Mouz people in this, almost unnerving.
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
December 02 2011 19:55 GMT
#262
well i prefer the nasl format over the one weekend things like dreamhack, because you can prepare for your opponent, which means more interesting games, while these weekend events are just standard skill, with only small adaptions from the general playstyle (thats why you see such walkthroughs in mlg and stuff).
Hehe atleast that what i was used too. people don't seem to prepare anymore for the opponent and just do their standard thing because sc2 consists out of 10 tournaments a day, with a few exceptions in the gsl and outside of it.
I don't mind and i have the gsl for the really cool games, but it would be nice if nasl would turn out the same way hehe, so i am cheering for them.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 02 2011 19:56 GMT
#263
On December 03 2011 04:01 Ohnoes02 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 03:46 Forikorder wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:44 Young_Gun wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:38 Doodsmack wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:32 neoghaleon55 wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:20 InvalidID wrote:
This just feels like a rehashing of the same tired criticisms of NASL that seem to unfairly get piled on them. Both NASL and IPL have long broadcast delays for regular season play, both NASL and IPL had technical problems early in their first live event, and both have pretty similar viewer numbers for their regular season content. I don't understand the criticism of their casters, they are also roughly equivalent to the types of casters that daily events like their regular season typically get. Do you expect a small western organization to be able to afford retaining a day9 or a tastosis for a daily tourney?


Quality casting has been a problem at the NASL for a very long time, since its inception.
There are a lot of excellent casters out there on sc2casts.com who I'm sure won't mind a casting day job: Psy, Force, Ahnaris, Crota?

There's absolutely no reason NOT to comply with fans and the community and get more entertaining casters. I am sure they could reallocate Gretorp to a managing position or something instead, since he's shown to be vital to the organization.




You shouldn't pretend that your opinion of Gretorp represents the opinion of the "fans and the community"


Oh please, it is a common complaint amongst SC2 spectators that NASL's casters and Gretorp are lacklustre. So what Invalid writes does reflect the view of a lot of the fans. The viewer ship for NASL's regular season is proof that their business model is not doing great. Your point adds nothing to the discussion.

noone loves every caster no matter what casters they get theyd get a long line of complaints that the casters are terrible and they should be changed

Er..no..?
Don't think anyone complains about Tastosis.
Apollo, day9, DJwheat etc do a fantastic job and the crowd can tell. They are one of the reasons why MLG is so successful.

I have my nitpicks about Tastosis, but what he says is true. Nobody loves every caster. Almost everyone has a favorite caster, and a least favorite.
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Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
December 02 2011 20:19 GMT
#264
Came in the thread expecting "hype" or a preview on the NASL finals. Got a rant about how NASL regular season sucks.

0/10

If it's news about finals, write about finals. If it's an article about the reg season, write about that. Don't use this as a way to vent your gripes/frustrations with NASL, TBFH.
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
December 02 2011 20:23 GMT
#265
hero vs puma finals again?

Anyways altho they are lacking a lot of koreans, the foreigners that made it are all pretty cool, and most of the iconic foreigners are there (where's whitera though? didn't join?)
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Vinx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada259 Posts
December 02 2011 20:23 GMT
#266
I'm extremely excited... its fading though... I hate tourneys that dont start on time... hopefully sc2 starts soon
Starcraft 2 > RL ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 02 2011 20:25 GMT
#267
wow falling quite far behind schedule already, sc2 intro was supposed to start at 11:45, i took my car into the shop expecting to beable to watch a few matches before i picked it up. This is BS
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
December 02 2011 20:29 GMT
#268
On December 03 2011 05:19 Audemed wrote:
Came in the thread expecting "hype" or a preview on the NASL finals. Got a rant about how NASL regular season sucks.

0/10

If it's news about finals, write about finals. If it's an article about the reg season, write about that. Don't use this as a way to vent your gripes/frustrations with NASL, TBFH.

well its been a pretty dissapointing regular season (especially viewership wise) since the regular season is like 90% of what NASL is it makes sense to talk about what has happened, and how its important for them to make a good impression for these finals, going into season 3 and beyond.

IMO already off to a poor start with sc2 starting so late. looks like its about to start though , finally.

I decided to pay for this weekend, because im going to be in and out alot this weekend, so i hope the vods are posted in a timely manner so i will beable to catch up on day 1 late tonight, and be totally caught up going into day 2.
empty.bottle
Profile Joined July 2009
685 Posts
December 02 2011 20:32 GMT
#269
On December 03 2011 02:12 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 01:54 Barrin wrote:
On December 03 2011 01:50 wklbishop wrote:
On December 02 2011 23:40 empty.bottle wrote:
On December 02 2011 15:34 TT1 wrote:
On December 02 2011 15:11 Waxangel wrote:
On December 02 2011 15:05 TT1 wrote:
newbi waxangael dont call me an cheesy player if u dont know anything about sc2


silly TT1, IdrA said it so it must be true ^_^

all kidding aside, there's not much you can do about rep


source? cus if were going by this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280421.. id say i have decent macro

or are u just butthurt that i eliminated a tl member? i guess thats where the bo3 reference came from right?


That measures how many unspent resources you have vs your actual income, being on three bases wont give you a higher score if you have a lot of unspent resources, so you could be on 1 base cheesing and still get a high score...

Does that make you have a decent macro? ROFL

In Fact if you are collecting an average of 850 resources and unspending 250 resources your SQ would be : 87.5.
EDIT:
Try it yourself
[image loading]

I= Average Income
U= Unspent resources
Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019


LOOOOLs. It does mean he has decent macro actually because it speaks volumes about his build orders and early game timings (not necessarily attack, but when to build something) which while a lot of people downplay these days, is really essential and fundamental. Notice there still is a difference in SQ between the various rankings.

But seriously though, the fact that TT1 has a reputation as a cheesy player would not suggest that he's a cheesy player, but rather most of the community is just flat-out wrong in their perception.

You say they're wrong without giving any real evidence or support you know.

We've already established that having a high SQ does not necessarily make you a macro player. Indeed I believe we established that having a high SQ is also very important to aggressive players. Think about it: if you have a lot of hanging resources early on in the game, do you really think your early aggression is going to work? Doesn't matter how early you start making units if your SQ sucks. SQ is important to both macro and aggressive players (high SQ tends to mean better player, TT1 happens to have high SQ).


it doesnt really say that your an early game player either though :D. it says how good your macro is, but thats not the same as being a macro player. its true that if you float 1000 minerals at 4 mins then your timing attack is going to suck. but floating 1k at 4 mins but then playing a "macro game" would suck too. high sq =~good macro, it doesnt say anything about if you rush or sit back and defence it. obviously its gets harder to keep your sq high the longer your average game is but that added information is needed before making any judgement. this is part of what makes idra so impressive with macro. not only does he has the highest sq but his average game length is the highest.


I posted that to ilustrate that is not valid to say that your macro is decent based on SQ and having a history of 1-2 base play.

Audemed
Profile Joined November 2010
United States893 Posts
December 02 2011 20:36 GMT
#270
On December 03 2011 05:29 Executor1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 05:19 Audemed wrote:
Came in the thread expecting "hype" or a preview on the NASL finals. Got a rant about how NASL regular season sucks.

0/10

If it's news about finals, write about finals. If it's an article about the reg season, write about that. Don't use this as a way to vent your gripes/frustrations with NASL, TBFH.

well its been a pretty dissapointing regular season (especially viewership wise) since the regular season is like 90% of what NASL is it makes sense to talk about what has happened, and how its important for them to make a good impression for these finals, going into season 3 and beyond.

IMO already off to a poor start with sc2 starting so late. looks like its about to start though , finally.

I decided to pay for this weekend, because im going to be in and out alot this weekend, so i hope the vods are posted in a timely manner so i will beable to catch up on day 1 late tonight, and be totally caught up going into day 2.


I can totally understand gripes with the regular season, however, this was supposed to be a "NASL Finals Preview", not a "NASL gripes and oh yeah there's finals this weekend".
"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." -George Orwell
icouldcareless
Profile Joined November 2010
United States96 Posts
December 02 2011 20:37 GMT
#271
While I completely agree with all of the points in the first article, it seems bizarre to include it in a writeup that is posted just before the final weekend. It would've probably been more appropriate to include it in the inevitable postmortem writeup that summarizes a concluded major event.

Personally, I skipped almost the entire regular season since there is currently too much high quality sc2 content being made every day for me to watch all of it. I will give the finals a shot and hope days 1 and 2 are better than season 1.
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 02 2011 20:38 GMT
#272
On December 03 2011 04:43 Forikorder wrote:
for the people comparing NASL to dreamhack, thats apples to oranges

and im sure many people will immediately say im wrong without reading any farther but ehre goes
the main season of NASL isnt like any other tournament its basically a couple months long group play its basically like the first 2 days of MLG stretched out for months

then theres the finals with is the oranges to dreamhacks oranges the finals have good casters, good games, good venue, good entertainment like the live shows going on

i dont get how people can complain about the casters when DjWheat, Day[9], mr.bitter, husky and rotterdam will be there so you cant say the casting will be terrible

the players are nothing short of spectacular and are the lineup youd expect from IPLs and dreamhacks so you cant complain about the talent, imo its about the best line up you can get with the bulk of koreans refusing to join unless the path is paved with money

its 10$ if you buy a pass now so you cant really complain about the price

you cant complain (yet) about the stream since we havent seen the stream yet

so really i dont see any reasons to complain about this weekend sure the regular season may have flaws, and your welcome to skip it, but the finals are looking amazing


The issue is the product is still inarguably inferior to certain competitors without even making the attempt to compete, even if you pull out Dreamhack because it's a shorter event, IPL does long running events with high quality streams and VODs. While it's understandable that one is backed by a major organization, in terms of comparing products, that doesn't matter, one is charging for an inferior product.
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
December 02 2011 20:48 GMT
#273
On December 03 2011 04:55 FeyFey wrote:
well i prefer the nasl format over the one weekend things like dreamhack, because you can prepare for your opponent, which means more interesting games, while these weekend events are just standard skill, with only small adaptions from the general playstyle (thats why you see such walkthroughs in mlg and stuff).
Hehe atleast that what i was used too. people don't seem to prepare anymore for the opponent and just do their standard thing because sc2 consists out of 10 tournaments a day, with a few exceptions in the gsl and outside of it.
I don't mind and i have the gsl for the really cool games, but it would be nice if nasl would turn out the same way hehe, so i am cheering for them.

In theory I agree with you, SC2 is (obviously) a strategy game, so being able to play a strategy on your strengths and your opponents weaknesses is really awesome, can force a lot of mind games and really just adds a lot of depth in the MU.

That being said, it's really hard to keep up to date with such a format, it's such a time stealer, the games are often at awkward times(depending on time zone, I fx have EU to early, NA to late tt) and if you aren't really committed/have people to cheer with you, it just feels(to me atleast) harder to follow. Add in the amount of streams going on, and yer, it kind of makes me like these "over the weekend" tourneys a lot more, even if players can't practice their MU.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 02 2011 20:49 GMT
#274
On December 03 2011 05:38 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 04:43 Forikorder wrote:
for the people comparing NASL to dreamhack, thats apples to oranges

and im sure many people will immediately say im wrong without reading any farther but ehre goes
the main season of NASL isnt like any other tournament its basically a couple months long group play its basically like the first 2 days of MLG stretched out for months

then theres the finals with is the oranges to dreamhacks oranges the finals have good casters, good games, good venue, good entertainment like the live shows going on

i dont get how people can complain about the casters when DjWheat, Day[9], mr.bitter, husky and rotterdam will be there so you cant say the casting will be terrible

the players are nothing short of spectacular and are the lineup youd expect from IPLs and dreamhacks so you cant complain about the talent, imo its about the best line up you can get with the bulk of koreans refusing to join unless the path is paved with money

its 10$ if you buy a pass now so you cant really complain about the price

you cant complain (yet) about the stream since we havent seen the stream yet

so really i dont see any reasons to complain about this weekend sure the regular season may have flaws, and your welcome to skip it, but the finals are looking amazing


The issue is the product is still inarguably inferior to certain competitors without even making the attempt to compete, even if you pull out Dreamhack because it's a shorter event, IPL does long running events with high quality streams and VODs. While it's understandable that one is backed by a major organization, in terms of comparing products, that doesn't matter, one is charging for an inferior product.

i dont see how the NASL finals weekend is an inferior product the last finals was amazing and this finals looks tob e amazing as well
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 02 2011 20:51 GMT
#275
On December 03 2011 05:49 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 05:38 Mordiford wrote:
On December 03 2011 04:43 Forikorder wrote:
for the people comparing NASL to dreamhack, thats apples to oranges

and im sure many people will immediately say im wrong without reading any farther but ehre goes
the main season of NASL isnt like any other tournament its basically a couple months long group play its basically like the first 2 days of MLG stretched out for months

then theres the finals with is the oranges to dreamhacks oranges the finals have good casters, good games, good venue, good entertainment like the live shows going on

i dont get how people can complain about the casters when DjWheat, Day[9], mr.bitter, husky and rotterdam will be there so you cant say the casting will be terrible

the players are nothing short of spectacular and are the lineup youd expect from IPLs and dreamhacks so you cant complain about the talent, imo its about the best line up you can get with the bulk of koreans refusing to join unless the path is paved with money

its 10$ if you buy a pass now so you cant really complain about the price

you cant complain (yet) about the stream since we havent seen the stream yet

so really i dont see any reasons to complain about this weekend sure the regular season may have flaws, and your welcome to skip it, but the finals are looking amazing


The issue is the product is still inarguably inferior to certain competitors without even making the attempt to compete, even if you pull out Dreamhack because it's a shorter event, IPL does long running events with high quality streams and VODs. While it's understandable that one is backed by a major organization, in terms of comparing products, that doesn't matter, one is charging for an inferior product.

i dont see how the NASL finals weekend is an inferior product the last finals was amazing and this finals looks tob e amazing as well


There's some very inarguable issues, the most outstanding and easiest to point to are the sound production and the resolution available. 360p is the unpaid default, compared that to Dreamhack or to IPL. It's definitively inferior.
Squide
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden141 Posts
December 02 2011 21:00 GMT
#276
Wow.. the crowd is so thin
i expected alot more
I hope that in the final day it will go INZANE
Swedish | Diamond | Squide.606 | EU
selaas
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway40 Posts
December 02 2011 21:02 GMT
#277
On December 03 2011 06:00 Squide wrote:
Wow.. the crowd is so thin
i expected alot more
I hope that in the final day it will go INZANE


I don't know what to say, other than that I'm kind of embarrassed ... Poor players coming out to a giant empty room with nothing but a red carpet and like one photographer :-/
Young_Gun
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom18 Posts
December 02 2011 21:02 GMT
#278
Well, NASL is a massive fail! I just check out their stream with 360p resolution for unpaid default??? I think they are showing absolute contempt for regular SC2 fans by not showing in better quality in this grand final. The quality is absolutely trash! They have an inferior product and they are trying to rip us off? Good luck with that.
CurrrBell
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
December 02 2011 21:03 GMT
#279
Jeez... poor NASL...
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
December 02 2011 21:04 GMT
#280
On December 03 2011 04:12 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 03:57 IPA wrote:
It would appear many TLers want pure hype, even though hype is hard to come by (and undeserved) for some events (read: NASL).


Oh shut up, an off-line event with this great line-up fighting for $100k and with so many good casters deserves a certain amount of hype no matter what. Take your hate elsewhere.


This is a forum, where people come to share disparate opinions in a (hopefully) non-hostile environment. My opinion is different than yours -- you're going to have to learn to deal with that. See how that works?

I've supported NASL with my dollars for two seasons. I'm able to criticize their product as I see fit. There's a difference between "criticism" and "hate", as you'll discover.
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