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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:34 sabas123 wrote: naugrim is so talanted, he has a good bw history aswell. plz if any sponser is seeing this, PICK HIM!!!! How do you know he is talented??? He was good in BW and now plays SC2 for 2 years and still is stuck on the same level. I dont know how much he plays but to me that doesnt really make him seem talented. | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:26 Choboo wrote: Le look at country. United States. Not surprised. GG kind of disappeared it seems like and Lastshadow even moved to the GOMTV house, anyone knows what happened? Why does country matter based on how ignorant someone is to the scene X_X, Im from US and I know who he is.. | ||
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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NexCa
Germany954 Posts
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:53 Kamikiri wrote: Why does country matter based on how ignorant someone is to the scene X_X, Im from US and I know who he is.. Jumping on the generalisation-train; I don't get why Europeans feel superior just because they know their own scene better than Americans. When we're talking big guns like Nerchio, Stephano etc sure. But when we're talking players like Naugrim it's completely allright to not know who he is. He hasn't made a lot of noice. For those who don't know him, he's that guy from the Matrix. The second movie that is, they put 2 of him in there. | ||
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Betsfrox
Venezuela248 Posts
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:24 bennyaus wrote: Congratulations on being ignorant, you probably could have written that in a blog. what? so if you dont now every pro/semipro out there you are ignorant? sigh | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Well, won't take you long to find a team anyway you Zergish Beast!  Good luck anyway tho. And lolz @ all those people not knowing him. wtf? | ||
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HerroPreaseTN
Norway71 Posts
 Guess there's no point now that some bad mannered guy with his Korean homies represent a site which allegedly is supposed to set the standard for manners and sportsmanship.Team Liquid all the way, then! | ||
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:56 arew wrote: Gotta agree with drooL, he might join in acer or eSahara, mostly acer I believe. Naugrim is a great guy! Asha` has a point though - acer is full of Zergs already and I like the suggestion of Empire. They really lack some Zergs. On December 02 2011 01:08 TheBanana wrote: For those who don't know him, he's that guy from the Matrix. The second movie that is, they put 2 of him in there. loooooll :D:D edit: Oh yeah, on the "Team GG seems to fade" thing: Talked to Ourk (EPS UK winner who got picked up by GG some months ago) and he isn't on the team anymore either, or hasn't been for a while in fact. So that leaves - what - lastshadow and 2 completely unknown Koreans I guess... Not so impressive. | ||
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KnowMe
Germany228 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On December 02 2011 01:27 drooL wrote: Asha` has a point though - acer is full of Zergs already and I like the suggestion of Empire. They really lack some Zergs. loooooll :D:D edit: Oh yeah, on the "Team GG seems to fade" thing: Talked to Ourk (EPS UK winner who got picked up by GG some months ago) and he isn't on the team anymore either, or hasn't been for a while in fact. So that leaves - what - lastshadow and 2 completely unknown Koreans I guess... Not so impressive. Ourk left way waaaaaaaaaaaaay long ago though. Quite a few Korean players were picked up since then. | ||
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Riotgrrrl
Canada73 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
But is the "also from USA" supposed to be a somewhat scornful remark on the stereotype that people from the US are "ignorant of other places"? Or, is this just pointing out the FACT that people from thousands of miles away from a player probably will not have heard of the players unless that player has made a profound impact on the international scene. Naugrim hasn't. I hadn't heard of him either. Yes, I'm from the US. No, that doesn't mean I'm ignorant -- it means Naugrim hasn't done enough to grab the world's attention (e.g. Stephano, Ret, Naniwa, etc. etc.). Thus, talking about him demands a proper introduction given that there is no way to reaonably expect that everyone's heard of him | ||
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
On December 02 2011 00:22 ishyishy wrote: Hmm....Sorry but I dont know who this player is swedish zerg player and from what i noticed yesterday nice micro skills. or could have been bad micro on my part. I went 10-2 yesterday on euro server. the 2 losses were to naugrim keep in mind i play at gm level so all other players were either gm or high master. | ||
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Treva
United States535 Posts
On December 02 2011 01:11 aderum wrote: what? so if you dont now every pro/semipro out there you are ignorant? sigh Agree with this. To call someone ignorant for not knowing a player, especially the one being mentioned where his biggest accomplishments listed are a few online tourney wins is pretty silly. I do agree however that there are more polite ways to tell people you've never heard of a player perhaps by asking the OP or someone else to tell them a little bit about the player and why he/she has a thread about him/her leaving a team rather than just saying something like "never heard of this player lol". | ||
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kusu
Sweden440 Posts
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
It's actually a pretty big topic that deserves its own thread/blog but I'll try to sum it up quickly. Europeans usually know about European talent extremely early compared to the USA fans. The reason for that is that they prove themselves in the weekly online cups, which pretty much only happen in EU (for some reason there isn't a big cup scene in the US). These cups are not as prestigeous as, say, an IEM, an MLG or a Dreamhack, but the competition is pretty much the same AND players have the tendency to play better from home. So any talented player from EU will inevitably come up in some of these tours (CraftCup, ESL, 4players, ZOTAC etc) and finish high with impressive games against other top notch players, which means that everyone who watches these tournaments regularly (which mostly Europeans do) will already know about upcoming talent (prime examples are Nerchio, Kas, Stephano, elfi etc). For Americans, however, it usually takes a good performance on a large stage to take notice. And then 'Americans' usually go o________o where did this guy come from and the people that follow the EU scene are like  dude... seriously... we've known for ages that this kid is sick. And that's where the general notion that US fans are 'ignorant' towards the EU talent/'underground' scene comes from.tl;dr: EU ppl know talent from weekly cups, US ppl don't have these cups and need a big stage to see new talent. | ||
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