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On November 28 2011 21:25 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On November 28 2011 20:55 snailz wrote:On November 28 2011 20:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:48 Ktk wrote:On November 28 2011 20:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:17 snailz wrote:its funny how full-time EG player goes on to bash TLAF.Liquid's players just because a member of TL.net community (relatively unimportant and random person) called out his own teammates in an article. i understand your emotions, but two wrongs don't make a right... On November 28 2011 19:42 iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2011 19:40 GLLvz wrote:On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow
calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...
but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real. the TL house produced EG's best preforming player and your saying they are doing bad? Jinro 2 times 4th place @ GSL. And bashing TL's team because someone is stateing the obvious, this comming from a offical EG member and not a Random News writer on a community site. pretty low if you ask me!.. nobody is asking you. stay classy incontrol  Where did incontrol bash liquid guys? And sure it was written by a "relatively unimportant and random person" but the TL staff approved this article and it represents TL as a whole. Mmm, if you scroll down a bit, I thought it says The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. ? This wasn't a user. It was a TL writer posted by a TL admin. This is TL staff material, not a user like you or me. jmbthirteen is absoultely right, TL users =/= TL writers/staff/admins. it is representative of TL.net opinions. which many people tend to agree with, even though they perhaps think it's still a dick move. so better to get it out in the open, or? i don't think even the writer knew what was better... after GSL expect 100 pages shitstorm from crazy fanboys, tho  Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments. tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL I get what you are saying Hotbid, but when you have an article on the front page of your website, especially one written by a staff member, TL has a certain level of accountability on it. You guys had to approve of his article, the editor allowed it to be published. If a journalist at the new york times writes something that isn't true, the NYT has to pay for it even though it was just one person who wrote it.
Every article on this site, since its beginning, has been made by users of the site.. The reason that these people writing these articles now have 'red icons' is because they have been writing content for the site for a long time.. Alot of articles through the years have sparked fierce debate in the community - The latest example of this probably being "The Elephant in the Room"-article. Now - I don't believe anyone in those some 3000 replies that this article had, was trying to say that it wasn't okay for Teamliquid to 'have this opinion' (Read the article btw) on Starcraft 2 as an E-sports.. So many people were pissed off that it almost came down to blows (In writing ofc)
What you are trying to say is, that Teamliquid.net writers cannot have an oppinion? Wow dude, you are describing a pretty fucking terrible and boring world.. Again, I agree that this made no sense in the context of the article, but if it had been a seperate article about it, I would be cool with it
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On November 28 2011 21:31 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:24 seiferoth10 wrote:On November 28 2011 21:04 Hot_Bid wrote:
Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments.
tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL Does not compute. What you're saying is that there is no accountability for TL staff writers, and yet they get their content into featured, front page articles? Shouldn't there be some sort of editor who puts together the order and format of the fancy graphic-laden post that double checks the content of the writers to make sure nothing is too 'off the wall'? The explanation you gave seems like a cop out to me. I did not say there is no accountability. I am saying someone can write something (in this case the EG part) that other writers or staff members disagree with. Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:25 jmbthirteen wrote:
I get what you are saying Hotbid, but when you have an article on the front page of your website, especially one written by a staff member, TL has a certain level of accountability on it. You guys had to approve of his article, the editor allowed it to be published. If a journalist at the new york times writes something that isn't true, the NYT has to pay for it even though it was just one person who wrote it. I agree that when there is a blatant misrepresentation of facts then yes, we would take accountability for that. However, I am simply saying I don't think everyone on TL staff has to agree with everything posted in news. We can disagree (I posted why I disagreed above). If you want to compare, I see it more like ESPN writers disagreeing with each other, which happens all the time, rather than some sort of blatant lie that we have to retract or take accountability for. The outrage about "TL saying X or Y" really shouldn't exist because I am certain not everyone agrees with a particular opinion. I think a certain amount of outrage is directed at "TL in general" because we are very clear about aiming to post news as an unbiased source. It's extremely difficult to post news that is negative about other teams (especially EG) and in the future we should be very careful about it. I do not think this is a fair thing to do, to label TL entirely as biased because of the opinion of one writer. I'd say there's a good number of staff that would argue against what confusedcrib said in this article, and that's fine.
And I think most people realize not everyone at TL shares the writers opinion, but it is something TL needs to be prepared to defend or handle however they feel appropriate. Kutaku and Destructoid also got slammed by many because of their articles earlier this year, even though it was just one person who wrote each article. Also its one thing about posting negative news and a negative opinion of other teams which happened here.
I don't think TL hates EG or anything like that. I think thats kinda why incontrol was tiffed at this. It came outta left field and just created unnecessary drama. Like you said, it really doesn't fit in here.
The pickle is that not only is TL a community site, it is a team as well. So when ESPN calls out the some team, that bias isn't there like TL has because of its team. Its a very difficult situation. Its one I have thought about quite a bit, how TL falls into this "esports journalism" thing. TL is the biggest site to get the sc2 news, but its not a true news site as its community driven. Its a very difficult thing to handle.
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oh come on people. perhaps the guy should have been more gentle in his word choice, but he was stating an opinion that really isn't a big deal. Even ESPN gives teams flak for doing stupid shit, they even have a very prominent segment on idiotic blunders by players. The fact is that people have opinions and we shouldn't get riled up because of it. instead EG should use this as motivation and TL should keep on trucking.
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i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world.
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On November 28 2011 21:44 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 21:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On November 28 2011 20:55 snailz wrote:On November 28 2011 20:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:48 Ktk wrote:On November 28 2011 20:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:17 snailz wrote:its funny how full-time EG player goes on to bash TLAF.Liquid's players just because a member of TL.net community (relatively unimportant and random person) called out his own teammates in an article. i understand your emotions, but two wrongs don't make a right... On November 28 2011 19:42 iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2011 19:40 GLLvz wrote:
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the TL house produced EG's best preforming player and your saying they are doing bad? Jinro 2 times 4th place @ GSL. And bashing TL's team because someone is stateing the obvious, this comming from a offical EG member and not a Random News writer on a community site. pretty low if you ask me!..
nobody is asking you. stay classy incontrol Where did incontrol bash liquid guys? And sure it was written by a "relatively unimportant and random person" but the TL staff approved this article and it represents TL as a whole. Mmm, if you scroll down a bit, I thought it says The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. ? This wasn't a user. It was a TL writer posted by a TL admin. This is TL staff material, not a user like you or me. jmbthirteen is absoultely right, TL users =/= TL writers/staff/admins. it is representative of TL.net opinions. which many people tend to agree with, even though they perhaps think it's still a dick move. so better to get it out in the open, or? i don't think even the writer knew what was better... after GSL expect 100 pages shitstorm from crazy fanboys, tho Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments. tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL I get what you are saying Hotbid, but when you have an article on the front page of your website, especially one written by a staff member, TL has a certain level of accountability on it. You guys had to approve of his article, the editor allowed it to be published. If a journalist at the new york times writes something that isn't true, the NYT has to pay for it even though it was just one person who wrote it. Every article on this site, since its beginning, has been made by users of the site.. The reason that these people writing these articles now have 'red icons' is because they have been writing content for the site for a long time.. Alot of articles through the years have sparked fierce debate in the community - The latest example of this probably being "The Elephant in the Room"-article. Now - I don't believe anyone in those some 3000 replies that this article had, was trying to say that it wasn't okay for Teamliquid to 'have this opinion' (Read the article btw) on Starcraft 2 as an E-sports.. So many people were pissed off that it almost came down to blows (In writing ofc) What you are trying to say is, that Teamliquid.net writers cannot have an oppinion? Wow dude, you are describing a pretty fucking terrible and boring world.. Again, I agree that this made no sense in the context of the article, but if it had been a seperate article about it, I would be cool with it
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying teamliquid.net has a certain level of accountability when they publish an article by someone on their staff. And yes, that staff member started as a normal guy here, but TL selected him to represent TL as well. I read the elephant in the room article. Many thought TL screwed up by making it a final edit as well, that it didn't meet TL standards. And that article wasn't bashing a rival team. As much as we try to seperate teamliquid.net from TLAF, they will never be viewed as seperate entities.
TL writers should have their own opinions. They can write editorials. And that would be great. But bashing a rival team in an event recap is just out of place. And while it was one writer, TL editors put it in TLs event recap. So while it may not represent teamliquid.net, they certainly will get and deserve some of the backlash.
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On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world.
quote for truth. if this was an election, I'd ask for recounting the votes. ^^"
but since it is not, I'd just ask to please consider the opponents each respective player had to go through (leenock had to walk over naniwa for that matter). so on the one hand you had an invincible looking (well, not only looking) Naniwa making a legendary run in a lesser player pool, on the other hand you have leenock making the same run, though not as classy as Naniwa, but through a harder pool of players, with the endboss being nobody else besides Naniwa, the legendary runner, himself.
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That would only be because people are too stupid to separate the two. With that said, this discussion is very old and out-dated. Don't like it? Fine.
It still won't change anything.
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Loved this article!! Great job!!
I do, however, still think Nestea and MVP are the best players in the world. You might not be able to call them unbeatable God's of starcraft, but their level of consistency is unmatched in my opninion. They may not win every single tournament they enter handily but honestly, if you compare tournament wins / placements / players beaten I don't think anyone else comes close. Everyone will notice if Nestea and MVP gets 12th and 4th spot in arguably one of the hardest tournaments ever, and we start to question their abilities, but this happens to everyone else as well all the time! In truth, it happens to everyone else alot more often! That is why these 2 are the better players in sc2 so far. Atleast that is my opinion
Also regarding the EG team house, I kinda disagree again. Having 3 players with really really good results is something most teams could only dream about. Of course, as far as I know Huk hasn't spent that much time in the team house, but Puma being in the US and not getting worse is an acomplishment in itself. And Idra preforming amazingly as of late should be worth the investment alone. Also the talk about Demuslism playing like a beast is worth taking into account even though he hadn't had the chance to quite show this to the world.
I do not quite understand this mentality of when it comes to EG everyone has to preform amazingly otherwise their team house was a waste.? I mean, look at the korean teams? Most of them have a couple of really good famous players and then alot of good players who are very good for the team in the practice enviroment. Why should this be any different for EG? I feel like they are burdened to preform alot better just cause they are the first NA team with a team house.
Just my 2 cents
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Btw. the past mlg demonstrated that in a battle of the beasts the leenoctopus will beat the gracken 8 times out of 10.
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On November 28 2011 22:16 Cereb wrote:Loved this article!! Great job!! I do, however, still think Nestea and MVP are the best players in the world. You might not be able to call them unbeatable God's of starcraft, but their level of consistency is unmatched in my opninion. They may not win every single tournament they enter handily but honestly, if you compare tournament wins / placements / players beaten I don't think anyone else comes close. Everyone will notice if Nestea and MVP gets 12th and 4th spot in arguably one of the hardest tournaments ever, and we start to question their abilities, but this happens to everyone else as well all the time! In truth, it happens to everyone else alot more often! That is why these 2 are the better players in sc2 so far. Atleast that is my opinion Also regarding the EG team house, I kinda disagree again. Having 3 players with really really good results is something most teams could only dream about. Of course, as far as I know Huk hasn't spent that much time in the team house, but Puma being in the US and not getting worse is an acomplishment in itself. And Idra preforming amazingly as of late should be worth the investment alone. Also the talk about Demuslism playing like a beast is worth taking into account even though he hadn't had the chance to quite show this to the world. I do not quite understand this mentality of when it comes to EG everyone has to preform amazingly otherwise their team house was a waste.? I mean, look at the korean teams? Most of them have a couple of really good famous players and then alot of good players who are very good for the team in the practice enviroment. Why should this be any different for EG? I feel like they are burdened to preform alot better just cause they are the first NA team with a team house. Just my 2 cents
just wanted to remark that puma mainly trained with his Korean training partners while he was in the team house. I think he said something like that in an interview.
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On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world.
Just no.
Most DOMINATING performacne... Which Naniwa had because he lost 0 games until the finals. Lennocks run was harder and more impressive BUT it was, over all, less dominant.
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On November 28 2011 22:17 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world. Just no. Most DOMINATING performacne... Which Naniwa had because he lost 0 games until the finals. Lennocks run was harder and more impressive BUT it was, over all, less dominant.
Well, then you got to differ between dominating his opponents or dominating the competitive gaming scene. Naniwa did undoubtedly the first by absolutely owning everybody who dared to stand in his way in Dallas, but Leenock did the second by successively defeating enemies nobody thought he would be able to. ^^"
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On November 28 2011 21:44 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 21:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On November 28 2011 20:55 snailz wrote:On November 28 2011 20:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:48 Ktk wrote:On November 28 2011 20:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:17 snailz wrote:its funny how full-time EG player goes on to bash TLAF.Liquid's players just because a member of TL.net community (relatively unimportant and random person) called out his own teammates in an article. i understand your emotions, but two wrongs don't make a right... On November 28 2011 19:42 iNcontroL wrote:On November 28 2011 19:40 GLLvz wrote:
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the TL house produced EG's best preforming player and your saying they are doing bad? Jinro 2 times 4th place @ GSL. And bashing TL's team because someone is stateing the obvious, this comming from a offical EG member and not a Random News writer on a community site. pretty low if you ask me!..
nobody is asking you. stay classy incontrol Where did incontrol bash liquid guys? And sure it was written by a "relatively unimportant and random person" but the TL staff approved this article and it represents TL as a whole. Mmm, if you scroll down a bit, I thought it says The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. ? This wasn't a user. It was a TL writer posted by a TL admin. This is TL staff material, not a user like you or me. jmbthirteen is absoultely right, TL users =/= TL writers/staff/admins. it is representative of TL.net opinions. which many people tend to agree with, even though they perhaps think it's still a dick move. so better to get it out in the open, or? i don't think even the writer knew what was better... after GSL expect 100 pages shitstorm from crazy fanboys, tho Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments. tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL I get what you are saying Hotbid, but when you have an article on the front page of your website, especially one written by a staff member, TL has a certain level of accountability on it. You guys had to approve of his article, the editor allowed it to be published. If a journalist at the new york times writes something that isn't true, the NYT has to pay for it even though it was just one person who wrote it. Every article on this site, since its beginning, has been made by users of the site.. The reason that these people writing these articles now have 'red icons' is because they have been writing content for the site for a long time.. Alot of articles through the years have sparked fierce debate in the community - The latest example of this probably being "The Elephant in the Room"-article. Now - I don't believe anyone in those some 3000 replies that this article had, was trying to say that it wasn't okay for Teamliquid to 'have this opinion' (Read the article btw) on Starcraft 2 as an E-sports.. So many people were pissed off that it almost came down to blows (In writing ofc) What you are trying to say is, that Teamliquid.net writers cannot have an oppinion? Wow dude, you are describing a pretty fucking terrible and boring world.. Again, I agree that this made no sense in the context of the article, but if it had been a seperate article about it, I would be cool with it
What you're forgetting thought, is that this is not a "post" written by someone who just wants to share his opinion. This is a news article written by Mr.Whoever and published by TL. If he wanted the opinion to not be a reflection of TL, he shouldn't have written it in a news article.
I'm not taking sides here thought. Just laying it out for you. Incontrol is technically right in what he's saying.
If TL actually wanted to express this opinion, I think its fine. I love the drama. But saying its just some ramble from a random user, is plain wrong.
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On November 28 2011 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:17 Velr wrote:On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world. Just no. Most DOMINATING performacne... Which Naniwa had because he lost 0 games until the finals. Lennocks run was harder and more impressive BUT it was, over all, less dominant. Well, then you got to differ between dominating his opponents or dominating the competitive gaming scene. Naniwa did undoubtedly the first by absolutely owning everybody who dared to stand in his way in Dallas, but Leenock did the second by successively defeating enemies nobody thought he would be able to. ^^"
If NesTea went to a EU craftcup ad went 40-0 would you say it's the most dominating when he is playing EU masters players?
Leenock lost almost no games against the best players n the world, Naniwa lost none against some of the best foriengers.
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On November 28 2011 22:00 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 21:44 ELA wrote:On November 28 2011 21:25 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 21:04 Hot_Bid wrote:On November 28 2011 20:55 snailz wrote:On November 28 2011 20:52 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:48 Ktk wrote:On November 28 2011 20:19 jmbthirteen wrote:On November 28 2011 20:17 snailz wrote:its funny how full-time EG player goes on to bash TLAF.Liquid's players just because a member of TL.net community (relatively unimportant and random person) called out his own teammates in an article. i understand your emotions, but two wrongs don't make a right... On November 28 2011 19:42 iNcontroL wrote:
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nobody is asking you.
stay classy incontrol Where did incontrol bash liquid guys? And sure it was written by a "relatively unimportant and random person" but the TL staff approved this article and it represents TL as a whole. Mmm, if you scroll down a bit, I thought it says The opinions expressed by our users do not reflect the official position of TeamLiquid.net or its staff. ? This wasn't a user. It was a TL writer posted by a TL admin. This is TL staff material, not a user like you or me. jmbthirteen is absoultely right, TL users =/= TL writers/staff/admins. it is representative of TL.net opinions. which many people tend to agree with, even though they perhaps think it's still a dick move. so better to get it out in the open, or? i don't think even the writer knew what was better... after GSL expect 100 pages shitstorm from crazy fanboys, tho Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments. tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL I get what you are saying Hotbid, but when you have an article on the front page of your website, especially one written by a staff member, TL has a certain level of accountability on it. You guys had to approve of his article, the editor allowed it to be published. If a journalist at the new york times writes something that isn't true, the NYT has to pay for it even though it was just one person who wrote it. Every article on this site, since its beginning, has been made by users of the site.. The reason that these people writing these articles now have 'red icons' is because they have been writing content for the site for a long time.. Alot of articles through the years have sparked fierce debate in the community - The latest example of this probably being "The Elephant in the Room"-article. Now - I don't believe anyone in those some 3000 replies that this article had, was trying to say that it wasn't okay for Teamliquid to 'have this opinion' (Read the article btw) on Starcraft 2 as an E-sports.. So many people were pissed off that it almost came down to blows (In writing ofc) What you are trying to say is, that Teamliquid.net writers cannot have an oppinion? Wow dude, you are describing a pretty fucking terrible and boring world.. Again, I agree that this made no sense in the context of the article, but if it had been a seperate article about it, I would be cool with it No, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying teamliquid.net has a certain level of accountability when they publish an article by someone on their staff. And yes, that staff member started as a normal guy here, but TL selected him to represent TL as well. I read the elephant in the room article. Many thought TL screwed up by making it a final edit as well, that it didn't meet TL standards. And that article wasn't bashing a rival team. As much as we try to seperate teamliquid.net from TLAF, they will never be viewed as seperate entities. TL writers should have their own opinions. They can write editorials. And that would be great. But bashing a rival team in an event recap is just out of place. And while it was one writer, TL editors put it in TLs event recap. So while it may not represent teamliquid.net, they certainly will get and deserve some of the backlash.
Accountability to whom? Plenty of teams and players have been criticized in the past articles, especially for their performance. It's nothing unusual, and I see no reason to make an exception for any team because they're oh so sensitive about it. This isn't the first time EG is butthurt over something published on TL.
If TL adopts that as a principle, then they would have to adopt the same attitude towards every team and player and simply discourage criticism and negative reviews, which reduces the quality and objectivity of the published content and pretty much makes it worthless fluff.
Ultimately, people always have the option to use myeg.net for their SC2 community hub if they so prefer.
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On November 28 2011 22:05 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.
The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.
This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world. quote for truth. if this was an election, I'd ask for recounting the votes. ^^" but since it is not, I'd just ask to please consider the opponents each respective player had to go through (leenock had to walk over naniwa for that matter). so on the one hand you had an invincible looking (well, not only looking) Naniwa making a legendary run in a lesser player pool, on the other hand you have leenock making the same run, though not as classy as Naniwa, but through a harder pool of players, with the endboss being nobody else besides Naniwa, the legendary runner, himself.
I thinks it's all relative to be honest. On that mlg dallas weekend vs the players that were there Naniwa was unstoppable, he dropped 2 games but no series. On that mlg providence weekend leenock was a madman but he was still mortal, dropped 5 games, 1 series and nearly didn't make the finals in that last series vs DRG.
It's like how Nestea made a perfect GSL run and the season afterwards MVP had a nearly perfect run against much tougher opponents. Technically Nestea was more dominant even if he happened to luck out in the brackets etc etc.
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Eh I would not agree with confusedcrib's assessment of the EG house and its value.
Even if many of the players plan on staying in Korea for the majority of the year, it still is a good place for the players to rest before MLG's (which will be really important for the 2012 and the future).
Having a team house will always be a good thing, especially since it is too soon to definitively say that it has not helped some of the members.
For the people saying that TL shouldn't have an opinion article on the front page, I want to ask, exactly what else is in an article?
The only other thing I can think of it just news, translations, or play by play battle reports.
Let's face it, TL articles written by volunteer staff have always been opinion articles.
It just so happens this particular opinion article digs at EG and Incontrol (who I love, but comon who's surprised he's the one raising a fuss over it) got sensitive.
I view any opinion article like I do balance threads, as long as there is content and work put into it then I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed to exist on TL (within reason).
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That Murloc pic of MC is fantastic. I think I shall make it my wallpaper.
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We want TL to have opinion pieces in our news. However this does not mean that we want to use the term opinion piece as an excuse for posting content that probably should not have been posted. We're internally reviewing the article currently, mostly with regards to how we will do things in the future.
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On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow
calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...
but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real.
overreact more please.
calling out TL on their results won't do much good when Idra was seeded #1 and placed 8th, while strifecro and axslav didn't even make it out of open brackets, much less placing in the top 32. And I guess we shouldn't talk about your own results, also not making it to the semis of open bracket.
The only EG players (other than puma/huk/idra) that have any results to speak of are machine losing to nestea and maybe strifecro for making it pretty far in the loser's bracket.
ofc there are a bunch of random circumstances that happen in brackets, resulting in misleading placements, but 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32 speaks for itself.
seriously, if you're going to make a point, at least back it up with facts instead of throwing out barely concealed ad-hominems at the writers and a supposed "rival team."
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On November 28 2011 22:51 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow
calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...
but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real. overreact more please. calling out TL on their results won't do much good when Idra was seeded #1 and placed 8th, while strifecro and axslav didn't even make it out of open brackets, much less placing in the top 32. And I guess we shouldn't talk about your own results, also not making it to the semis of open bracket. The only EG players (other than puma/huk/idra) that have any results to speak of are machine losing to nestea and maybe strifecro for making it pretty far in the loser's bracket. ofc there are a bunch of random circumstances that happen in brackets, resulting in misleading placements, but 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32 speaks for itself. seriously, if you're going to make a point, at least back it up with facts instead of throwing out barely concealed ad-hominems at the writers and a supposed "rival team."
He's joking. Calling a team house's worth into question is obviously a stupid thing to say.
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