EPTexcept for the MVP/Nestea analysis and doubt. Now I am no nestea/MVP fanboy or anything, but its easy to remember that players can lose games that they are the favorites in. Nestea I think has been slumping, whether or not he is going to come back from that slump, only time will tell. HOWEVER, MVP took 4th place. that's pretty damn good and I don't think that he should be written off as not the best player in the world, his accomplishments are still quite amazing and if taking a 4th place finish in a tournament of this caliber makes you doubt his skill then that might prove that he is in fact, the best.
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
except for the MVP/Nestea analysis and doubt. Now I am no nestea/MVP fanboy or anything, but its easy to remember that players can lose games that they are the favorites in. Nestea I think has been slumping, whether or not he is going to come back from that slump, only time will tell. HOWEVER, MVP took 4th place. that's pretty damn good and I don't think that he should be written off as not the best player in the world, his accomplishments are still quite amazing and if taking a 4th place finish in a tournament of this caliber makes you doubt his skill then that might prove that he is in fact, the best. | ||
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TheBanana
Norway2183 Posts
The Decorah Eagles Milgie for best LR thread MLG Dallas was beset by more technical problems than any major SC2 tournament to date (other contenders: Blizzcon 2010 Invitational, NASL Grand Finals Day 1, IPL 3, and the PPSL). Because of the venue's poor internet, MLG was only able to stream a grand total of three matches over the entire Saturday. So what happens when you promise tens of thousands of Starcraft fans the greatest Starcraft of their lives, and then withhold it from them? This happens, the Day 2 Live Report thread. The broken stream hammered spectators to desperation, and in their desperation, they turned to something they didn't fully understand: eagles. The thread is filled with eagle macros. Pictures of kittens jumping over streams. Fake MLG stream notices. The kind of shenanigans that no TL mod would ever tolerate in any other circumstance. But on that day, everyone had thrown up their hands, and this LR thread is a testament to the wanton abandon that filled the Starcraft void. The Dallas live threads was great fun yes, but I seem to remember mods all of a sudden banning everybody(and the fun along with it) on day 2 before locking the thread. Do I remember it wrong? I'm pretty sure that's what happened. | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
On November 28 2011 19:41 iNcontroL wrote: pretty stupid of TL to post an article where they literally call into question making a team house.. what the fuck? I want a vile, vVv, coL (america), Mouz, Empire etc etc etc.. house.. I want as many teams as possible taking this shit serious. Where the FUCK does TL get off calling out someone else for making a team house for themselves? A waste? It can NEVER be a waste. Even if Machine, myself, Axslav or Strife NEVER win a MLG the house is NOT a waste. It is where serious players get more serious and do the best they can to train and get better. It is where legitimate media is produced, serious practice is had and better results are posted.. I expect WAY more from TL than this shit. Everyone and their mother could call out TL for their results and their partnership/house with oGs but they don't because that would be a dumb thing to do in this community.. and yet the #1 community website goes out and calls out their rival while turning the blinders to their own crowd of players who are "carried" by players who churn out less results than the ones who carry EG... wtf. This, a thousand times over. I won't lose any respect for Team Liquid the TEAM, but the website/staff sorta lost some points on this one. It's super ignorant of them. There's SO many parrallels between EG and TL at this point, that are the exact same things the OP is whining about in EG. Only having a few of your players currently doing super well? Check. Adding in new, Korean players, who then are on the top of your performers? Check. Having the players producing less results still stick it out like a boss and train their hearts out? Check. How can the OP not see the correlations? Fuck, these team houses ARE working. Idra has become such a macro god, that even the likes of BOMBER are afraid to go into a long game with him, and instead push for early wins. When the top Korean Terrans in the world are afraid to stand and bang with you, you're doing something fucking right. And where has Idra been living and training? Heaven forbid that making a teamhouse doesn't make all your players immediate champions. Look at half the houses in Korea? MVP, TSL, Prime? Where are their results? They're all decent players, but each team only has a couple that are dominant. Herp Derp, OP. Herp. Derp. | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:40 TheBanana wrote: The Dallas live threads was great fun yes, but I seem to remember mods all of a sudden banning everybody(and the fun along with it) on day 2 before locking the thread. Do I remember it wrong? I'm pretty sure that's what happened. scroll down, funpolice pepper sprayed everyone http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208064¤tpage=300 | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:41 Sphen5117 wrote: This, a thousand times over. I won't lose any respect for Team Liquid the TEAM, but the website/staff sorta lost some points on this one. It's super ignorant of them. There's SO many parrallels between EG and TL at this point, that are the exact same things the OP is whining about in EG. Only having a few of your players currently doing super well? Check. Adding in new, Korean players, who then are on the top of your performers? Check. Having the players producing less results still stick it out like a boss and train their hearts out? Check. How can the OP not see the correlations? Fuck, these team houses ARE working. Idra has become such a macro god, that even the likes of BOMBER are afraid to go into a long game with him, and instead push for early wins. When the top Korean Terrans in the world are afraid to stand and bang with you, you're doing something fucking right. And where has Idra been living and training? Heaven forbid that making a teamhouse doesn't make all your players immediate champions. Look at half the houses in Korea? MVP, TSL, Prime? Where are their results? They're all decent players, but each team only has a couple that are dominant. Herp Derp, OP. Herp. Derp. The staff should be free to write what they want. Enough with the hurting esports posts.. If EG really wanted to maximise their players' potential the house would be in Korea imo. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I thought the EG thing raised a good point. If only the big 3, who were amazing before joining are the only ones performing, then is the house working? It also raises the question of team houses in general, and foreigner practise regimes. That's something people are interested in especially with the foreigner v korean debates, and on the topic a lot of people view EG's big 3 as Koreans in that sense. Maybe i need to be an EG member to take this personally and go off like Geoff, but even then it seems like a fair question not deserving the outrage directed at it. Surely one could have reponded in a more civil fashion and not take everything as an attack? I guess not. And linked into that is the upset thing. Yeah those aren't upsets, we know that. Ok so poor research / knowledge of current player power levels. But he did raise the point that there's a group of players outperforming players on more prestigous teams. So what does 'pro gamer' mean if the 'pros' are losing to 'amateurs'? That's a fair question. I'm intrigued by the performance v personality factor which takes place in SC2. There are a lot of really nice, fun, interesting players out there who do not put up results. Then there's quiet achievers who do well pretty consistently who might do a lot better if they were given chances by a top team. It's an interesting situation worth talking about. Of course i like looking past the silliness and finding the truth to an issue. Others, not so much it seems. Easily offended and enraged people are in 2011. It's like you see something inflamatory and you're blinded by it and can no longer dissect the heart of the issue presented. It's unfortunate that genuine conversation cannot happen due to people's emotional states. In saying all of that i'm still surprised this made it to print like that. Of course i was surprised the Elephant thing got printed too. Both getting strong, overly dramatic and blown out of proportion reactions. I'm surprised they got past whatever internal editing / review process exists. If i were involved i'd have questioned it. But mostly because i knew some thin skinned individuals would get all defensive and start comparing EG to TL and blah blah blah. Oy vey. Well i enjoyed the article for the most part. Interesting on Leenock v Naniwa. Leenock didn't look dominant, but won a much tougher tournament. Gotta give it to Naniwa, he destroyed the MLG he won. Dominance is a pretty clear cut word and that was the criteria. oh and whoever draws those pictures is a hero <3 Leenocktopus | ||
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MisterTea
United Kingdom1047 Posts
On November 29 2011 00:49 Grend wrote: The staff should be free to write what they want. Enough with the hurting esports posts.. If EG really wanted to maximise their players' potential the house would be in Korea imo. Idra and puma were both really good before the team house came into play, the point of the op's article about it was that the lower tier of players are not getting any better at all, i'd say they are getting worse. no need to get so anal about it it's true | ||
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ChoboFreek
Canada83 Posts
I see a lot of people are mixed on the EG segment of the article, but it's kind of true. Looking at the MLG results over the course of the year, aside from their top players (IdrA, HuK, and Puma), overall they go down. I'm not sure if this can be attributed to the player dorm house or just having an unlucky showing. Don't get me wrong, I still love the team. It's just numbers are convincing evidence. Also, TL doesn't even have a team house, so I am not sure where all this comparison is coming from. Even if they did have a Team House, I am sure that they would come under this kind of inspection as well. Edit: I don't consider the oGs/TL thing a "house". There's like no one there. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
That and fishuu is still amazing. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
i love EG vs TL for the Epic games and rivalry, and now that TL has Zenio, it just become 100x better. with idrA as EG's top zerg, Huk's top protoss, Demu/Puma top terran Vs Zenio/ret as top TL zerg, Hero top protoss and jinro as their top terran, everytime they'll face it will be an Epic match (like hero vs puma DH 2011  )always makes me sad when people are arguing who is better  like Huk said: "Whoever wins will be most deserving. Good luck to both i love" (Puma vs Hero DH) | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
p.s. losira & bomber are the two cutest sc2 players | ||
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MementoMori
Canada419 Posts
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-Risk-
Canada164 Posts
On November 28 2011 16:53 Sadistx wrote: I'm sad that you guys didn't mention this guy, who, while not winning Providence, did at 15 years of age, come 24th in the most stacked MLG to date. + Show Spoiler + DC Nerd Baller, vileIllusion ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PgaFx.jpg) Also, wtf, is this a joke? None of these results are a surprise, except maybe Forbs breaking out. Everyone else who won was pretty much already the favorite, if you follow the scene semi-closely. Do not agree at all. And most of them aren't just top ladder either, they are on sponsored teams too, so "rise of the nonames" is quite inappropriate. I totally agree with this. | ||
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sixfour
England11062 Posts
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
Otherwise - nice photos at the end there! Article was good too  | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
Nice black and white photos. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
Amazing article. | ||
Chill
Calgary26003 Posts
Games being played. Tournament being won. Fun being had. | ||
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