EPT[MLG] Providence - Finale - Page 14
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
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Zetim
United States35 Posts
In the end, what matters is the player's improvement, not how high they can place at a tournament. If they're a better player since going to the gamehouse then it's damn worth it. | ||
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fartcry
Serbia5 Posts
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:51 Hardigan wrote: so.... TL is "shitting" on EG and you call Incontrol amazing at creating drama? They have a practise shedulde but also free time. So they aren't allowed to have a live besides sc2? Maybe they don't practise as much as maybe Slayers, but you know what? Not every player in Slayers are world class like MMA. Did you even read anything in this thread? "TL is shitting on EG" No they are not...One person is making his opinion and it just happens to be in a thread on TL, that doesn't mean all of TL agrees with it. wow. If you read my post at all it would be pretty clear I know they work a lot (You have no idea how much time they practice unless you are there so don't act you know) | ||
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OpticalPhonon
Canada72 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I'll be honest guys, I'm really afraid of getting flamed for this, but it's something that's concerned me for long enough that I'm just going to say it. EG did really badly, again, and I can't help but feel that the team house is not paying for itself. Of course when you go to EG's coverage of the event, they point to having "solid results overall," but in reality, it's only ever their golden three that do well. Thanks to Idra, Huk, and Puma, EG always manages to scrape together good PR, but the results of their other players are starting to get down right disturbing: iNcontroL lost to State and Strifecro, StrifeCro lost to syckness and RuFF13, Lzgamer lost to Catz and exMaSter. Only Machine and Axslav's results are remotely explainable, with losses to Nestea, dde, Gatored, and Violet. Even with those two players though, losses to Gatored and dde when you live in a team house are hard to justify. To be honest, if they want to justify having a team house, they need to get their shit together. While Puma and Idra seem to be practicing correctly, I can't shake the feeling that they would do well regardless of where they were living. EG needs to figure out what those two are doing right, and have everyone try to emulate it to avoid such embarrassing results. Having a team house in North America established a wonderful precedent, now they just need the results to match. For reference, here is the edited post: + Show Spoiler + I'll be honest guys, I'm really afraid of getting flamed for this, but it's something that's concerned me for long enough that I'm just going to say it. EG did badly, and I can't help but feel that the team house is not paying for itself. Of course when you go to EG's coverage of the event, they point to having "solid results overall," but in reality, it's only ever their golden three that do well. Thanks to Idra, Huk, and Puma, EG always manages good PR, but the results of their other players are starting to get down right disturbing: iNcontroL lost to State and Strifecro, StrifeCro lost to syckness and RuFF13, Lzgamer lost to Catz and exMaSter. Only Machine and Axslav's results are remotely explainable, with losses to Nestea, dde, Gatored, and Violet. Even with those two players though, losses to Gatored and dde when you live in a team house are hard to justify. To be honest, if they want to justify having a team house, they need to work out a better system. While Puma and Idra seem to be practicing correctly, I can't shake the feeling that they would do well regardless of where they were living. EG needs to figure out what those two are doing right, and have everyone try to emulate it to avoid poor results. Having a team house in North America established a wonderful precedent, now they just need the results to match. The post no longer refers to EG's results at Orlando as bad, no longer accuses EG of scraping together good PR, and no longer tells EG that "they need to get their shit together." The core problem with the entire write-up is still this: the author's thesis is that the EG house has failed, however EG's results over the last few months have been their best ever. The author obviously can't acknowledge this because his argument will no longer make any sense. Instead, he argues that because EG's non-star players weren't as successful as their star players at Providence the house must be a failure. This is a ridiculous double standard that no other team with a house is held too. By this logic, the Slayers house must also be a failure as neither Ganzi nor Puzzle made it out of the open bracket. The entire EG section makes little logical sense and should be removed from the rest of the Providence summary. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
Also, the topic seems kind of forced in there, it's a post about MLG, I don't see the proper relevance needed for it to be put in there, that's just me though. For him to be able to post that opinion as a member of the TL staff I completely and utterly agree with. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:47 JustPassingBy wrote: on the current roster of mvp, there is only one who didn't manage to get into code A once this year (i.e. they passed the gruesome hell known as the code A qualifiers). Same can be said for nshoseo with half of the roster actually having been in code S once this year. But there were more regular GSL seasons than mlg with Korean participation (7 to 5). That's right along with my point. Both of those teams have put out spectacular results, nshoseo especially considering their practice location hasn't been around as long as some of the other teams in Korea. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:57 FryktSkyene wrote: Did you even read anything in this thread? "TL is shitting on EG" No they are not...One person is making his opinion and it just happens to be in a thread on TL, that doesn't mean all of TL agrees with it. wow. If you read my post at all it would be pretty clear I know they work a lot (You have no idea how much time they practice unless you are there so don't act you know) "Just happens to be a thread on TL"........are you serious? Confusedcrib is a writer for TL, not some random poster, the write-up is featured, and the language of the original article was as childishly bad as it gets. When a newspaper prominently features an article that causes outcry, both the paper and author are to be blamed. | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On November 28 2011 19:41 iNcontroL wrote: pretty stupid of TL to post an article where they literally call into question making a team house.. what the fuck? I want a vile, vVv, coL (america), Mouz, Empire etc etc etc.. house.. I want as many teams as possible taking this shit serious. Where the FUCK does TL get off calling out someone else for making a team house for themselves? A waste? It can NEVER be a waste. Even if Machine, myself, Axslav or Strife NEVER win a MLG the house is NOT a waste. It is where serious players get more serious and do the best they can to train and get better. It is where legitimate media is produced, serious practice is had and better results are posted.. I expect WAY more from TL than this shit. Everyone and their mother could call out TL for their results and their partnership/house with oGs but they don't because that would be a dumb thing to do in this community.. and yet the #1 community website goes out and calls out their rival while turning the blinders to their own crowd of players who are "carried" by players who churn out less results than the ones who carry EG... wtf. i believe 2 other teams trained ur top 2 players.... but besides that, ppl need to realize that its an opinion article...it may have been over the line and NAzgul already said they are looking into the content of the article...so do ppl just blindly post without reading the whole article? :\ Hope u guys at TL sort this out, and TL has i think 200ish volunteers so....something will get posted wrong at least once in a great while | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:57 FryktSkyene wrote: Did you even read anything in this thread? "TL is shitting on EG" No they are not...One person is making his opinion and it just happens to be in a thread on TL, that doesn't mean all of TL agrees with it. wow. If you read my post at all it would be pretty clear I know they work a lot (You have no idea how much time they practice unless you are there so don't act you know) wait a minute. Isn't this thread made from a guy in the TL crew? Or is it MLG? And with TL shitting on EG I naturally didn't mean the players or most of the crew. It's a bad generalization on my part. I just want to say that it is super unfair against Incontrol to call him beeing godd at making drama. And what do you mean with "..I know they work alot (You have no idea how much time they practice unless you are there so don't act you know)" Doesn't that contradict itself? | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
First it's obvious that the EG team is not gona show obvious results after 3 months of team house, they need at least 6 (and maybe more considering it's a first for them). And second, EG has no obligation toward us, so why should they show us their practice schedule and everything they do. Just let them show us their results, I'm sure they are extremly motivated to show them. But you got to let anyone say what he has to say... even if it's blatantly wrong, which is the case right now. | ||
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FryktSkyene
United States1327 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:01 farvacola wrote: "Just happens to be a thread on TL"........are you serious? Confusedcrib is a writer for TL, not some random poster, the write-up is featured, and the language of the original article was as childishly bad as it gets. When a newspaper prominently features an article that causes outcry, both the paper and author are to be blamed. Hot bid wrote in this thread (if you even looked at the other comments) Not saying I agree or disagree with confusedcrib in his article, but let's be clear: something written on our front page is an opinion of the writer and not representative of everyone on TL or even everyone on the TL staff. We have a volunteer staff of ~200 people. Even confusedcrib said before he expected to get flamed for it, it's a relatively controversial opinion that obviously isn't some official statement by our entire site. If everyone has read our news lately there's a decent amount of op-ed-ish style opinion segments. tldr; never take one writers opinion to represent all of TL I bolded the part where you problem occurs. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:05 VirgilSC2 wrote: To be honest, the biased nature of TeamLiquid articles is not new. Anyone who read the TL write-up after Liquid`Zenio faced ReXMujuk in Code A knows exactly what I'm talking about. That article really made me ashamed to be a Liquid fan. In that case the nature of team promotion almost excuses the biased nature of the article, as a celebration of a TL players victory is far more palatable than a poorly conceived indictment of an entire teams system. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:05 VirgilSC2 wrote: To be honest, the biased nature of TeamLiquid articles is not new. Anyone who read the TL write-up after Liquid`Zenio faced ReXMujuk in Code A knows exactly what I'm talking about. That article really made me ashamed to be a Liquid fan. are you talking about the TLPro article? that is the team site. | ||
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farvacola
United States18856 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:09 FryktSkyene wrote: Hot bid wrote in this thread (if you even looked at the other comments) I bolded the part where you problem occurs. Umm, HotBid is doing his job as a leader within TL, somewhat akin to the actions of an editor on a newspaper, further reinforcing my analogy. A writer put out a bad article, someone in a position of leadership did some damage control, the world will move on. One would hope that revisions and edits when it comes to the publishing of featured write-ups will be more strict in the future, as TL is THE place to get english language Sc2 information. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:09 farvacola wrote: In that case the nature of team promotion almost excuses the biased nature of the article, as a celebration of a TL players victory is far more palatable than a poorly conceived indictment of an entire teams system. There's a huge difference between celebrating your players victory and celebrating his opponents defeat, and that's the key difference that writers need to consider before they post an article. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 29 2011 03:12 Antoine wrote: are you talking about the TLPro article? that is the team site. Yes, I was referring to the TLPro article, however as far as I'm aware, journalism is journalism no matter where it's posted. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
In other words no dice. 8 to 24 months would never change this and considering guys like PuMa and HuK have always been based out of Korea you will never really get the chance to make a valid argument for such a deal. The same could be said about the Sweden house. You need to work as a cohesive unit with your practice partners. A rival house doesn't really fit this description. Doesn't help when you have guys appearing at different events either. There is a reason why so many go to Korea to practice. No bones about it. Get used to it. | ||
fishuu
United States369 Posts
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