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We have issued a clarification to this article after discussion with staff, read here - Heyoka
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
November 28 2011 14:04 GMT
#201
NO! Don't make me choose between Huk and Hero! Can't I have my cake and eat it too?
I'm a noob
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
November 28 2011 14:09 GMT
#202
Nope, sorry, Fishuu stole the whole thing with that picture.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
November 28 2011 14:14 GMT
#203
On November 28 2011 22:23 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 22:22 JustPassingBy wrote:
On November 28 2011 22:17 Velr wrote:
On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.

The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.

This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world.



Just no.
Most DOMINATING performacne... Which Naniwa had because he lost 0 games until the finals. Lennocks run was harder and more impressive BUT it was, over all, less dominant.


Well, then you got to differ between dominating his opponents or dominating the competitive gaming scene. Naniwa did undoubtedly the first by absolutely owning everybody who dared to stand in his way in Dallas, but Leenock did the second by successively defeating enemies nobody thought he would be able to. ^^"


If NesTea went to a EU craftcup ad went 40-0 would you say it's the most dominating when he is playing EU masters players?

Leenock lost almost no games against the best players n the world, Naniwa lost none against some of the best foriengers.


If Naniwa had been a Korean that would be a fair point. He's not. He had the same training conditions as anyone else at Dallas and completely dominated them.
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 14:22:02
November 28 2011 14:15 GMT
#204
On November 28 2011 22:51 andyrau wrote:
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On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow

calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...

but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real.


overreact more please.
calling out TL on their results won't do much good when Idra was seeded #1 and placed 8th, while strifecro and axslav didn't even make it out of open brackets, much less placing in the top 32. And I guess we shouldn't talk about your own results, also not making it to the semis of open bracket.
The only EG players (other than puma/huk/idra) that have any results to speak of are machine losing to nestea and maybe strifecro for making it pretty far in the loser's bracket.
ofc there are a bunch of random circumstances that happen in brackets, resulting in misleading placements, but 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32 speaks for itself.

seriously, if you're going to make a point, at least back it up with facts instead of throwing out barely concealed ad-hominems at the writers and a supposed "rival team."

hmm... maybe in MLG there were 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32, but in NASL 2 the top 16 has 4 EG's vs 2 Liquids
(yupe, EG's Strongest roster: idrA, Huk, Puma, Demuslim Vs Sheth, Hero)

also idrA might have been seeded 1#, but had to fight MC, Puma and Leenock (who eventually won MLG...), so finishing 8# against such strong opponents is no upset :/
EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
CurrrBell
Profile Joined March 2011
United States67 Posts
November 28 2011 14:16 GMT
#205
That picture of MKP hugging Leenock from behind may be the cutest thing ever
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
November 28 2011 14:24 GMT
#206
Milgies... teehee xDDDD
A time to live.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9422 Posts
November 28 2011 14:31 GMT
#207
On November 28 2011 19:46 NoobSkills wrote:
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On November 28 2011 19:40 Whiteman103 wrote:
On November 28 2011 19:38 NoobSkills wrote:
On November 28 2011 19:23 Lutto wrote:
On November 28 2011 19:20 Zlasher wrote:
How about Jinro? He didn't make any large run and he doesn't just live in a house for 4 months, he's been there for like 16 months practicing with what is the most represented Code S Korean team.


4th place GSL 2 times in the start dosent count? Yes he has fallen off after that but you dont need to say that he havent done anything...


No it doesn't count. Him winning using an abusing TvZ style and a mech style that nobody adapted against in the other match up's didn't make him the better player for playing in a team house it made him a player who was winning from abuse and lack of smart opponents. When he did wind up facing the decent Code S players he got stomped. It has been said by many that there are plenty of people in Code S who shouldn't be there. It was true back then and it will probably still be true next season even with this format change.

Meanwhile their article really isn't saying the team house wasn't a good idea, but pointing out that the house existing isn't enough. It seems like these players are getting worse at match ups despite not only playing in a house together, but after the team has recruited two very good players (huk and puma). EG is still my favorite team, but I would really like a couple more players (machine, inc, demus) to make runs deeper in these tournaments tired of having to watch Puma barely get beat, idra lose series to the accidental gg slip, and Huk continue to Boss it out, but tunnel vision his way out of an advantage.


i dont think he was abusing anytihng he was just one of the first players to play a macro style tarren.


Let me rewrite it.
TvZ - abusive (now nerfed) bunker rushes.
TvT and TvP - mech style that enemies LET run them over. When someone thought "hey my normal strategy won't work because he isn't using a normal strategy let me do something else" it was over and both times he was stopped and hard.

So, he made it to two Ro4's because Blizzard made T OP and some people in Code S have no brains. Exaggerated, but true.


Lol somebody is rewriting history.
LION`
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden19 Posts
November 28 2011 14:31 GMT
#208
On November 28 2011 23:15 damod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 22:51 andyrau wrote:
On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow

calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...

but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real.


overreact more please.
calling out TL on their results won't do much good when Idra was seeded #1 and placed 8th, while strifecro and axslav didn't even make it out of open brackets, much less placing in the top 32. And I guess we shouldn't talk about your own results, also not making it to the semis of open bracket.
The only EG players (other than puma/huk/idra) that have any results to speak of are machine losing to nestea and maybe strifecro for making it pretty far in the loser's bracket.
ofc there are a bunch of random circumstances that happen in brackets, resulting in misleading placements, but 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32 speaks for itself.

seriously, if you're going to make a point, at least back it up with facts instead of throwing out barely concealed ad-hominems at the writers and a supposed "rival team."

hmm... maybe in MLG there were 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32, but in NASL 2 the top 16 has 4 EG's vs 2 Liquids
(yupe, EG's Strongest roster: idrA, Huk, Puma, Demuslim Vs Sheth, Hero)

also idrA might have been seeded 1#, but had to fight MC, Puma and Leenock (who eventually won MLG...), so finishing 8# against such strong opponents is no upset :/


Did you just compare NASL with MLG providence?
trust your instincts!
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9422 Posts
November 28 2011 14:46 GMT
#209
The EG house topic in an interesting discussion, but the writer didn't take into account all the factors. And the discussion probably shouldn't take place in an MLG news article.
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
November 28 2011 14:52 GMT
#210
On November 28 2011 22:00 Rucho wrote:
i STRONGLY disagree with the "bambino" award going to Naniwa.

The opponents were MUCH weaker as MLG SCII was just getting off the ground, 4gates were still very powerful, and there were little to no koreans. Naniwa pretty much won for having the best 4 gate that weekend.

This is completely different compared to Leenock's impressive domination of the best players in the world. Who WASN'T there? Clide maybe? Polt? I don't remember. The series against DRG alone was out of this world.

The series that Leenock lost?

I think you bring up fairly good points, but that doesn't really affect the definition of "dominance." Naniwa was absolutely dominant/untouchable in Dallas. Leenock was NOT untouchable in Providence.

Obviously, Leenock proved himself to be the better player (and I believe I mentioned this in the post). He had the more impressive run, but not the more dominant one.

What I think is a better argument is this: okay, so Naniwa was more dominant, but who cares? Leenock was better/more impressive.

I think if I could go back and rewrite my section, I'd probably change the award to "Most Impressive Run," because I still think Naniwa's was more dominant, and yet in retrospect, that dominance means little compared to what happened during the rest of the pro circuit. Would that this desk were a time desk.
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9033 Posts
November 28 2011 14:53 GMT
#211
How is dde a "no name"?
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-28 16:12:28
November 28 2011 14:57 GMT
#212
On November 28 2011 23:31 LION` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 23:15 damod wrote:
On November 28 2011 22:51 andyrau wrote:
On November 28 2011 18:49 iNcontroL wrote:
wow

calling out EG house.. ok. Well TL abandoned korea cause their results were even worse there so maybe the investment of TL / oGs was a bad idea as well? A worse idea even...

but that'd be a dumb thing to say.. especially on an official article. We have had the house for 3 months and the results have gotten a helluva lot better but you are going to say it was a waste? get real.


overreact more please.
calling out TL on their results won't do much good when Idra was seeded #1 and placed 8th, while strifecro and axslav didn't even make it out of open brackets, much less placing in the top 32. And I guess we shouldn't talk about your own results, also not making it to the semis of open bracket.
The only EG players (other than puma/huk/idra) that have any results to speak of are machine losing to nestea and maybe strifecro for making it pretty far in the loser's bracket.
ofc there are a bunch of random circumstances that happen in brackets, resulting in misleading placements, but 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32 speaks for itself.

seriously, if you're going to make a point, at least back it up with facts instead of throwing out barely concealed ad-hominems at the writers and a supposed "rival team."

hmm... maybe in MLG there were 5 TL vs 3 EG in top 32, but in NASL 2 the top 16 has 4 EG's vs 2 Liquids
(yupe, EG's Strongest roster: idrA, Huk, Puma, Demuslim Vs Sheth, Hero)

also idrA might have been seeded 1#, but had to fight MC, Puma and Leenock (who eventually won MLG...), so finishing 8# against such strong opponents is no upset :/


Did you just compare NASL with MLG providence?

pretty much :/
if NASL is easyer, then there should be more than 2 liquids (out of 6) on top 16 :/

there are always up's and downs, sometimes TL players are doing very well, sometimes EG players are doing very well, they are both really high level teams.

EGHuK | EGJaeDong | EGMachine | EGiNcontroL | EGDemusliM | EGStephano <3
Puppet
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland3 Posts
November 28 2011 15:01 GMT
#213
Great post but i think that was bit harsh comment about EG
And thus it begins.
Apollo_Shards
Profile Joined February 2011
1210 Posts
November 28 2011 15:10 GMT
#214
Best write up Ive seen on this site. Awesome way to sum up how great MLG was and how far it has come since Dallas. And pictures were amazing.
Jaedong, sOs, avilo, MaSa, Oprah
Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
November 28 2011 15:12 GMT
#215
On November 29 2011 00:01 Puppet wrote:
Great post but i think that was bit harsh comment about EG


in fairness, EG does have an usually large douchebag quota
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
November 28 2011 15:16 GMT
#216
Why am I not here
www.twitter.com/rootillusion & www.facebook.com/illusionsc2
Forbs
Profile Joined January 2011
United States76 Posts
November 28 2011 15:18 GMT
#217
On November 29 2011 00:16 -Illusion- wrote:
Why am I not here

Revenge for knocking out Sheth 8)
Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 28 2011 15:21 GMT
#218
a lot of the "no names" are considered better players than those they beat
Professional tech investor, part time DotA scrub | Follow @AllMeasures on Twitter
Dattish
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden6297 Posts
November 28 2011 15:28 GMT
#219
--- Nuked ---
TBone-
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2309 Posts
November 28 2011 15:30 GMT
#220
DDE a no name? qq, he's one of the best north american terrans, right up with select and qxc.
Eve online FC, lover of all competition
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