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On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered.
Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
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Is anyone aware of any sites for SC2 betting that accept Americans? Pinnacle looked great, until I saw the big red letters of no Americans accepted 
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Pinnacle sports does this. But the "bet rates" are pretty bad compared to sports like football/hockey. Still tho, I made quite alot of money back in season 3/4 by betting on MC every game
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On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000.
It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
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On November 24 2011 06:37 Nuzoybot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught. Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000. It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
Sure bro, the guys behind that betting company are complete idiots and won't notice it. /facepalm
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On November 24 2011 06:37 Nuzoybot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught. Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000. It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
I guess you could make 20 accounts if you had multiple bank accounts under different addresses and different names which were all legit.
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On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet.
Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
I mean you got a point that its not so easy to win at betting, but i think you can be +EV with betting on sc2...
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On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered.
Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any).
And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose.
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Take it from an old poker pro. People who are to stupid to make money betting are also to stupid to realize that they're stupid. So telling them they're going to lose money is probably less useful than stfu'ing. Also it's like someone already said. There is a big difference between playing a rigged numbers game like roulette or keno and a game of incomplete information. Say the bookies wig is 10% and you have a 20% chance of winning because alot of people are betting on "the wrong horse" it's basically free money.
If you're betting for fun using money you can afford to lose. It's no different than drinking, going to a concert or going to see a movie. All things where I doubt you'll be making a profit ;-)
I would senserely doubt people on TL think that they can make a living betting on sc*.
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On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet.
Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
yes MOOOOOM
:3
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On November 24 2011 07:02 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any). And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose.
So ... they practice 5-8 hours daily, travel in Sweden, have their match streamed in front of thousands of people and then lose on purpose to win 300$? All this with the risk to get caught no matter how well he covers it.
Doesn't make sense to me.
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On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet.
Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
This post, whilst taking it to the extreme, does have a message to take away. The betting industry has been designed to benefit the bookie at the end of the day. It's certainly not a way to generate a steady income, and the majority of the replies to this post say some something along the lines of 'herp derp everyone knows this'. The simple fact is a lot of people don't, and it is possible to lose everything should you use the mentality of 'bet larger to break even'.
Having said that, the rest of us, who know when to stop, are able to have a good time by placing wagers on the outcome of a match. Taking a vested interest in a player certainly makes a match that much more exciting, and trying to outright deny someone of that rush is harsh to say the least.
tl:dr Some people don't know when to stop betting, the above post is for them. Outside that, just let people have fun with the occasional bet. It makes things even more exciting.
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I make a lot of bets yet I avoid making big wagers on SC2 because the game is very volatile. You have to be a total expert on whatever the bet entails. Do not bet based on blind faith. If it's a prop bet you should know whether or not you can already do it or else it isn't worth the risk.
I make a fair bit off the UFC promotion. 
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Betting might give me an incentive to cheer for someone when all of my favorite players or foriegners are knocked out.
Buuuutttttttttttt the USA doesn't allow people to gamble online. Plus I am only 16 0.0
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On November 24 2011 07:15 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 07:02 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 06:30 cyclone25 wrote:On November 24 2011 06:01 Redox wrote:On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course. Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any). And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose. So ... they practice 5-8 hours daily, travel in Sweden, have their match streamed in front of thousands of people and then lose on purpose to win 300$? All this with the risk to get caught no matter how well he covers it. Doesn't make sense to me.
Neither does it to me. Until SC gets to prize pools of $250K+, with total viewership counts over 500K in AM, and lots of gambling income, there's no incentive for the mob or players to partake in match fixing. MLG isn't the Triple Crown. Yet.
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i m kinda a fan of sc2 betting for over a year now to pinnaclesports.com.
i m quite close to all sc2 related events , tournaments ,articles , tlpd , poweranks , interviews. i try to have as much knowledge as i can ....so i got in to sc2 betting. Apparently i m playing big amounts of money ( atm Sportsbook Balance: 1669.81 EUR ) and trying to keep bankroll management safe and secure. i would definetely advise sc2 betting unless you really want to do it and risk your money. Dont you ever think that its easier cuz there are two bets to place ( 1 or 2 and NOT X ) ...as much as pinnacle's knowledge increases to the terms of sc2 insight its becoming more difficult to find value odds . YES in the beggining pinnacle had no idea about sc2 skillset of the players and i won a ton of money from sc2 betting. I love sc2 and i like betting into this cause except of fun its nice to earn some money as a confirmation for my dedication and knowledge to esports. kakos magos i see u r greek...come and find me if u want some piece of advice or info. atm i m kinda ''semi - pro'' on sc2 betting and trying to make it out of it on the terms of ''living - proof ''.
PinnacleSports.com is the only way. I know their initial confirmation methods really BREAK BALLS but from the time u r confirmed .... site roxorz.
Dreamhack for the win
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On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote:
Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet.
Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Dude, the bookies don't always have the odds perfectly right. There are bets out there that are certainly +EV as in every 1$ bet will result in an average of >1$. Obviously these are pretty rare and requires you have to a great understanding of the information out there. It is pretty stupid to state that we can not even dare to question that. You sound like a guy that generalizes all 'gambling', Roulette and Poker and Sports betting are completely different things.
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hmm lets just hope another we don't have another  sAviOr.
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used to bet on XLbet and actually made a great profit.. started with ~50$ ended up with ~500 or so, luckily cashed out due to rl financial issues before the site went down :D
back then i remember they pretty much didnt know shit about sc2, and often found odds of ~2 on great players (often upcoming).. thinking of putting some money on pinnacle now, even tho they prolly got their odds much more figured out..
anyway: gambling is great as long as you have BANKROLL MANAGEMENT... i cant stress this enough... every serious poker player knows this, with good BRM gambling will remain fun and possibly profitable, and not ruin your lives....
edit: if anyone wants to discuss sc2 bets and find good bets with me, feel free to add: msn: eddie_freak@hotmail.com skype: kankerganker
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The limit on pinnacle is $250 on moneyline and spread and u can bet it as many times as u want, but the line will move anytime u maxbet
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