Dear TL users, I am in the esports scene for quite a while now and what I miss is a betting website with active esports and sc2 bets. XLbet used to be a website with eSports as a main betting part but it sadly it closed.
I know Korea has something with esports bets because esports is quite big in this country. PaddyPower or something like this has from time to time some esports bets but nothing serious.
so my question to the community is where I can i bet with real money at sc2 matches? and is it possible to visit Korean websites and bet on them ?
ty for ur help hope to get some good answers, Kind regards
I think that pinnaclesports is a trustworthy company. They look very legit and i haven't found and article of complain on their services. But i think the main problem with esports betting is the format of the tournaments. Its hard for people to put up bets when they don't know the players eg. an MLG.
Pretty cool idea. I'd be wayyy too afraid to bet on SC2 right now, haha. It seems like no one consistently wins tournaments quite yet. I mean, the top 8 is consistently the same people, but not the top 4 it seems like.
Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, that is way way way too extreme. It will inevitably end with you losing real money if you bet on absolutely everything, if you bet cautiously on things which you are fairly sure about and are fairly sure the odds are good for you can most certainly win money. Your post reminds me very strongly of people who say exactly the same thing about poker, however that is clearly wrong, people play poker for a living.
I have made money from betting, not a lot but it's not like I lose money because I don't do it stupidly, I bet where I have a lot of knowledge and when I know the odds are good. The bookies are not knowledgeable on everything, while they try to bias the odds towards them often their ignorance causes you to be able to see an opportunity.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
it would make games more interesting if you bet, lets say, 10 dollars in 3 separate games monthly, if you win, keep betting what you won and dont put more into it, its difficult to get wrong doing that, i believe
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, that is way way way too extreme. It will inevitably end with you losing real money if you bet on absolutely everything, if you bet cautiously on things which you are fairly sure about and are fairly sure the odds are good for you can most certainly win money. Your post reminds me very strongly of people who say exactly the same thing about poker, however that is clearly wrong, people play poker for a living.
I have made money from betting, not a lot but it's not like I lose money because I don't do it stupidly, I bet where I have a lot of knowledge and when I know the odds are good. The bookies are not knowledgeable on everything, while they try to bias the odds towards them often their ignorance causes you to be able to see an opportunity.
betting is much much more random than poker, why high ranked players are always the same in poker tournaments? and what about betting? you just cant be a professional at bet, so its much more difficult to ensure win
edit: sorry double post, thought i saw someone posting before my second t_t
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
it would make games more interesting if you bet, lets say, 10 dollars in 3 separate games monthly, if you win, keep betting what you won and dont put more into it, its difficult to get wrong doing that, i believe
Rule of thumb for betting.
If you lose money don't be betting more in hopes of winning it back. Set yourself a limit... Never want to learn the hard way.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
i think everyone is aware that the odds are against you to make money, the only reason why people bet real money is for the excitement. Your reasoning is completely correct if the person betting goes into it to try to make money in the long term, but i think we can all agree that nobody does that lol.... Gambling in the casino is the same concept, no one makes money in the long term playing slots or roulette, but its for the thrill of the moment that you put that quarter into the slot machine.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, that is way way way too extreme. It will inevitably end with you losing real money if you bet on absolutely everything, if you bet cautiously on things which you are fairly sure about and are fairly sure the odds are good for you can most certainly win money. Your post reminds me very strongly of people who say exactly the same thing about poker, however that is clearly wrong, people play poker for a living.
I have made money from betting, not a lot but it's not like I lose money because I don't do it stupidly, I bet where I have a lot of knowledge and when I know the odds are good. The bookies are not knowledgeable on everything, while they try to bias the odds towards them often their ignorance causes you to be able to see an opportunity.
betting is much much more random than poker, why high ranked players are always the same in poker tournaments? and what about betting? you just cant be a professional at bet, so its much more difficult to ensure win
Yet, it is very possible to be addicted and get yourself into trouble on both betting and poker - A couple of years ago, one of my friends called me, said he'd pick me up; Arrived in a limo(Not something you see everyday in Denmark) and took me and some others out clubbing. Turned out he had won a poker tournament as well as won a crazy bet on football/soccer, winning him a total of 150,000 DKK (27k $) in one evening.. Less than 2 months later, he was in treatment for ludomania with a giant debt.
So yeah, its very much possible to be addicted to money poker, as well as it is to be addicted to betting - His advice is sound.
Yeah as others have said, follow the golden rule of only bet what you can afford to lose. I used to bet sports on pinnacle years ago, but was losing money so quit. Didn't lose a lot, but just saw that this wasn't going anywhere for me. It's very hard to make money betting because you make no money betting for straight wins unless you pick underdogs, so you need to bet on the spread to win, which is hard.
I don't doubt, that some people make mad money betting, it's just very hard to do and you need to bet more than $5/$10 a pop to make anything significant.
Looking at the sc2 bets on pinnacle right now, mvp is -300 to win outright, which is very bad odds to make any money, unless you bet a lot of money. The spread of -1.5 for mvp is -133 which is not bad, but then even I'm not sure if mvp will 3-0 or 3-1 sc, so it's risky.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, that is way way way too extreme. It will inevitably end with you losing real money if you bet on absolutely everything, if you bet cautiously on things which you are fairly sure about and are fairly sure the odds are good for you can most certainly win money. Your post reminds me very strongly of people who say exactly the same thing about poker, however that is clearly wrong, people play poker for a living.
I have made money from betting, not a lot but it's not like I lose money because I don't do it stupidly, I bet where I have a lot of knowledge and when I know the odds are good. The bookies are not knowledgeable on everything, while they try to bias the odds towards them often their ignorance causes you to be able to see an opportunity.
betting is much much more random than poker, why high ranked players are always the same in poker tournaments? and what about betting? you just cant be a professional at bet, so its much more difficult to ensure win
edit: sorry double post, thought i saw someone posting before my second t_t
My point was about ignorance, not that the two are exact parallels.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
tl,dr: NO FUN ALLOWED
Betting is not about winning money, betting is about making a game interesting.
Same as sports, a game with 2 teams who you don't care about and are not particularly good will be very boring, unless you bet money and you have a clear incentive to cheer for a team/score, and you can really get into the game.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
tl,dr: NO FUN ALLOWED
Betting is not about winning money, betting is about making a game interesting.
Same as sports, a game with 2 teams who you don't care about and are not particularly good will be very boring, unless you bet money and you have a clear incentive to cheer for a team/score, and you can really get into the game.
This is true. Always more fun to watch a game with something on the line. However, that's why I love fantasy hockey pools.
Why are you saying 'you cannot win' when this is sports betting, not like casino betting. For example, when XLBet was running and it took odds on BW games, it was definitely possible to pick out excellent odds; there's more factors at play in Starcraft, it's not random. If you are knowledgeable about the game and can tell how good players are in a certain matchup on certain maps then you can do ok. It didn't appear to take maps into account at all. Then had players like Bisu who would appear to be vastly favoured in certain series on pure statistics but really a lot of people would expect him to lose.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
OK mother... what is it with posting an entire post in bold. What you had to say really wasn't THAT important. People are responsible for their own actions - let's leave it that way.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
you have no clue you are like a stubborn grandma calling gambling the devil
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
thats like saying people who play stocks/poker never was successful at it.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, you really dont understand the odds market works. Dissapointing post from an admin. I think your confusing value betting with betting blindly.
First: zere is not an admin, he's on the team liquid staff. Second: He's not wrong and for every earner there are a hundred thousand poor fucks that lose all their money and lives.
I had some good results and bad resultsin sports betting in the past. I started off with $50.00 in the account, after a season of the sport I was betting on I had stats like this. Wagered: $1275.00 Net: +$235.00. So that $50.00 turned into a profit of $185.00 for me. It wasn't a whole lot, but it made the games so much more exciting. I did lose a lot of bigger bets, but I also won a lot of big bets.
Gambling is fine if you can control yourself. If I would have lost the $50.00 right away and instantly reloaded another $50.00 to keep on playing then, that is where you lose big money. Zere is just giving some advice for all of the fish who think that betting on sports lets you hit the jackpot with ease. You need to grind it out a lot, just not as much as poker to make any decent coin(Poker is better in the long run of grinding, you have more control over the odds).
Pinnacle seems legit to me, I haven't cashed out on it yet, just keeping it on the account. (Around $25.00 right now)
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
thats like saying people who play stocks/poker never was successful at it.
When you play stocks and poker you don't gamble against the house, you gamble against other players. The expected value of this is zero if you are equally skilled, and if you are more skilled than your opponents then it can even be positive.
Whenever you gamble against the house (casino, or betting place), your expected outcome is negative. That means that the more you play, the more likely it is that you will end up loosing.
The TL guy here is giving solid advice, and so many people are bashing him for it?
And to the people suggesting that they can have superior knowledge and thus tilt the odds in their favor: while it is possible, if you think that you and no one else (because if other people could do that, all betting houses would go broke) can predict the outcome of games then I think that you think too highly of yourself.
The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
The reason why there are betting houses is because they are able to win alot of money. The law of probability his in there side, in the end they will always win.
the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose.
Illegal and betting house do think and protect them self's.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
you have no clue you are like a stubborn grandma calling gambling the devil
Exactly my thoughts. There are a lot of people who make a living from sports betting, but they spend several hours daily on it and make picks carefully. "A lot" is probably less than 5% of the bettors, but then again, most of them are betting for fun only. Pinnacle is the most respected bookie on market and their odds are really good. The odds on SC2 matches shouldn't be as accurate as the odds on the big sports, so it's possible to make nice profits if you bet smart. The best advice I can give is to have good money management and stick to it. Don't get overconfident if you win some bets and don't chase loses.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
Pinnacle sports does this. But the "bet rates" are pretty bad compared to sports like football/hockey. Still tho, I made quite alot of money back in season 3/4 by betting on MC every game
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000.
It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000.
It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
Sure bro, the guys behind that betting company are complete idiots and won't notice it. /facepalm
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered. Why would a top player lose on purpose an important match where he can win much more ... he's also risking his career if he gets caught.
Because he is not the only one betting. You and your 9 buddies can make 20 accounts and then bet $60,000.
It's foolish to say someone else is wrong when it takes 5 seconds to see that your argument is garbage.
I guess you could make 20 accounts if you had multiple bank accounts under different addresses and different names which were all legit.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
I mean you got a point that its not so easy to win at betting, but i think you can be +EV with betting on sc2...
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered.
Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any).
And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose.
Take it from an old poker pro. People who are to stupid to make money betting are also to stupid to realize that they're stupid. So telling them they're going to lose money is probably less useful than stfu'ing. Also it's like someone already said. There is a big difference between playing a rigged numbers game like roulette or keno and a game of incomplete information. Say the bookies wig is 10% and you have a 20% chance of winning because alot of people are betting on "the wrong horse" it's basically free money.
If you're betting for fun using money you can afford to lose. It's no different than drinking, going to a concert or going to see a movie. All things where I doubt you'll be making a profit ;-)
I would senserely doubt people on TL think that they can make a living betting on sc*.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered.
Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any).
And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose.
So ... they practice 5-8 hours daily, travel in Sweden, have their match streamed in front of thousands of people and then lose on purpose to win 300$? All this with the risk to get caught no matter how well he covers it. Doesn't make sense to me.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
This post, whilst taking it to the extreme, does have a message to take away. The betting industry has been designed to benefit the bookie at the end of the day. It's certainly not a way to generate a steady income, and the majority of the replies to this post say some something along the lines of 'herp derp everyone knows this'. The simple fact is a lot of people don't, and it is possible to lose everything should you use the mentality of 'bet larger to break even'.
Having said that, the rest of us, who know when to stop, are able to have a good time by placing wagers on the outcome of a match. Taking a vested interest in a player certainly makes a match that much more exciting, and trying to outright deny someone of that rush is harsh to say the least.
tl:dr Some people don't know when to stop betting, the above post is for them. Outside that, just let people have fun with the occasional bet. It makes things even more exciting.
I make a lot of bets yet I avoid making big wagers on SC2 because the game is very volatile. You have to be a total expert on whatever the bet entails. Do not bet based on blind faith. If it's a prop bet you should know whether or not you can already do it or else it isn't worth the risk.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie.
Not completely correct, the other one regularly winning in bets is the one with insider information. I.e. the player (and his friends / accomplices) that knows that he is going to lose. given that many players bet on this site, I would be extremely surprised if none of them would bet on their own games and lose them on purpose. They would actually be quite stupid not to do so, its free money. Especially given the few money players often get for winning. The bigger the volume on the bets is, the easier it is to do insider betting. Therefore people betting on sc2 are actually facilitating match fixing. And the insider betting reduces the win rate of the regular gambler even further of course.
Inform yourselves people before coming with such statements ... the betting limit on a SC2 match is around $300, and only top leagues/matches are offered.
Only top matches? Just tomorrow there are bets on Dreamhack group games with players that have close to zero chance to win any money in the tournament (as only 8 out of 64 get any).
And in other sports were match fixing happened quite often (like football) manipulating players had much, much more to lose.
So ... they practice 5-8 hours daily, travel in Sweden, have their match streamed in front of thousands of people and then lose on purpose to win 300$? All this with the risk to get caught no matter how well he covers it. Doesn't make sense to me.
Neither does it to me. Until SC gets to prize pools of $250K+, with total viewership counts over 500K in AM, and lots of gambling income, there's no incentive for the mob or players to partake in match fixing. MLG isn't the Triple Crown. Yet.
i m kinda a fan of sc2 betting for over a year now to pinnaclesports.com. i m quite close to all sc2 related events , tournaments ,articles , tlpd , poweranks , interviews. i try to have as much knowledge as i can ....so i got in to sc2 betting. Apparently i m playing big amounts of money ( atm Sportsbook Balance: 1669.81 EUR ) and trying to keep bankroll management safe and secure. i would definetely advise sc2 betting unless you really want to do it and risk your money. Dont you ever think that its easier cuz there are two bets to place ( 1 or 2 and NOT X ) ...as much as pinnacle's knowledge increases to the terms of sc2 insight its becoming more difficult to find value odds . YES in the beggining pinnacle had no idea about sc2 skillset of the players and i won a ton of money from sc2 betting. I love sc2 and i like betting into this cause except of fun its nice to earn some money as a confirmation for my dedication and knowledge to esports. kakos magos i see u r greek...come and find me if u want some piece of advice or info. atm i m kinda ''semi - pro'' on sc2 betting and trying to make it out of it on the terms of ''living - proof ''.
PinnacleSports.com is the only way. I know their initial confirmation methods really BREAK BALLS but from the time u r confirmed .... site roxorz.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Dude, the bookies don't always have the odds perfectly right. There are bets out there that are certainly +EV as in every 1$ bet will result in an average of >1$. Obviously these are pretty rare and requires you have to a great understanding of the information out there. It is pretty stupid to state that we can not even dare to question that. You sound like a guy that generalizes all 'gambling', Roulette and Poker and Sports betting are completely different things.
used to bet on XLbet and actually made a great profit.. started with ~50$ ended up with ~500 or so, luckily cashed out due to rl financial issues before the site went down :D
back then i remember they pretty much didnt know shit about sc2, and often found odds of ~2 on great players (often upcoming).. thinking of putting some money on pinnacle now, even tho they prolly got their odds much more figured out..
anyway: gambling is great as long as you have BANKROLL MANAGEMENT... i cant stress this enough... every serious poker player knows this, with good BRM gambling will remain fun and possibly profitable, and not ruin your lives....
edit: if anyone wants to discuss sc2 bets and find good bets with me, feel free to add: msn: eddie_freak@hotmail.com skype: kankerganker
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
lol. Wow. Amazing.
I mean, gambling is a problem for some people, but what an extreme post. I know several very successful sports bettors. I know guys who bet consistently well on SC2 games. It's unfortunate I live in the USA, or I'd do it too with regularity.
For GSL open seasons 1 and 2, there was another site that took bets, called XLBet. Their odds were even posted in LR threads. That site eventually shut down, and anyone who hadn't cashed out were shit out of luck. Even then, XLBet hadn't been cashing anyone out for a few weeks before their shutdown.
As a fun idea, I took a fake $500 bankroll and attempted to see if I could make any money using the XLBet odds in GSL open season 2, using my Liquibets. My bets were conservative, ranging from $10 to $50 depending on my confidence level. I had correctly predicted about 70% of the matchups, including the eventual winner, Nestea. Guess how much I had in my bankroll after the season was over? $540. That's right, being top 100 in Liquibet only gave me $40 when it converted into real betting.
(GSL Open Season 2 was chock full of upsets, by the way. I bet $50 on FruitDealer over MarineKing, then called BoxeR, because MarineKing looked awful in round 1. That one loss killed all I made in the Ro64. It only takes one loss to reset your funds.)
Basically, if you can't win at least two-thirds of your Liquibet guesses, you will eventually lose money. That's the house advantage of betting sites. Those odds are carefully calculated so that they're stacked against you.
On November 24 2011 16:31 andrea20 wrote: Basically, if you can't win at least two-thirds of your Liquibet guesses, you will eventually lose money. That's the house advantage of betting sites. Those odds are carefully calculated so that they're stacked against you.
You can easily calculate the house advantage, if you take one bet and place your wager on all outcomings so that you get the same amount back no matter what the outcome is. The percentage you don't get back is the house advantage. (you will realize that the house advantage is nearly the same on all bets) And this can be hugely varying on different betting providers.
If we bet 1/1.645 in Leenock and 1/2.320 on aLive we get back 1 unit every time. 1/1.645+1/2.320 = 1,0389 So we have to bet ~1,04 units in total. House advantage is 4%. That is very good for betting sites. Many other sites have ~10% and if you go in to some real betting house, it goes up to 20%. If you want to bet profitably you have to beat the bookie by 4% (or whatever the advantage is).
(Test: sC 3.860, MVP 1.283, units to bet 1,0385)
On another note: Liquibet is quite different, because you simply bet who you think will win >50%, so you will almost always bet on who is the favourite based on betting odds. But if you get for example almost 4x on sC vs MVP, your decision might be often different.
Here u will recieve virtual monney for free and u can bet all u want. Just try it. The only thing u can lose is the Time spent on it.
I wanted to try some betting Sites myself, but after trying the esbl i soon found out that i have lost over 1500 "e-dollars" and i would be verry depressed if this would be real monney.
I once won 500,000,000 from a 5,000,000 meat investment in browser-based rpg kingdom of loathing on a pvp coinflip. Kinda put me off gambling when I realised I can get enough of a rush from playing with free money.
I wholeheartedly agree with BartPil's post about esbl.co though. I'm shit at it and bet way too risky, but I have good fun with it at least.
On November 24 2011 17:58 poofie wrote: I've been betting on sc2 with pinnaclesports. Just betting small bets like 5-10$ because sc2 is still pretty random as any other esport.
Well, it won't be an interesting sport if it wasn't a bit random. Would you like MVP to have a 90% win rate and get 1.05 odds on him all the time? Where's the fun in that?
The biggest mistake many bettors make is that they try to predict the winner (as in 100% winner) and bet on him no matter of how bad the odds are. This is wrong. You need to predict the odds (percentages) that player has to win. If your odds are different that what the bookie offers go for it. If it's the same, just avoid that match. You can also just check the offer and see if any odds look slightly off to you. For example they have Leenock at 1.55, but you think it should be 1.65; in this case bet on his opponent.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
my family use to own a pub, and we use to put bets on with bookies for punters and they even admit thay they woudlnt exist if they odds werent stacke din their favour,. For instance fruit machines are also the same 70% payout or something and of course it doesnt even feel like that, because how many times when you do win a £1 or somethign small ypu put it right back in?
Use to love watching some clueless guy put £40 in a bandit only for me to go on it as soon as he left and win the jackpot and walk away with like £30+ from a fiver if even that then thats ame guy soemtimes wouldcome back with more cash and rinse repeat :D
one of the main reasons I miss having a pub in the fmaily.. lol
If you want real money, pinnaclesports is the only option I know of.... but if your looking to have fun, win prizes without the risks of real money try ggBet.net
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
I'd use my poker approach : never bet more than you're willing to lose.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Goodness gracious. You lost money recently? :/
Gambling can be a very fun and exciting hobby. Yes if you spend too much money on it it's bad but, WOW...
On November 24 2011 04:49 kammeyer wrote: Pretty cool idea. I'd be wayyy too afraid to bet on SC2 right now, haha. It seems like no one consistently wins tournaments quite yet. I mean, the top 8 is consistently the same people, but not the top 4 it seems like.
I know betting money on games is huge on neotv, the Chinese site for GSL, since I browse there quite frequently, and they always be talking about bettings every other thread.
Maybe you can make a post and ask them there what site they use
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. There are plenty of professional sports betters, it's not easy and yes the house takes a small percentage. That being said if you are a good line shopper you can still be very profitable, it takes skill, experience and bankroll management but its certainly possible.
That being said SC2 is certainly something you can be profitable at since the lines are often quite off.
The thing is, starcraft 2 is the only sport where you can have an edge over the bookmaker. In a blink of an eye I can see when their odds are over or under-evaluated, and since pinnacle offers sc2 bets I stopped completely betting on other sports (well, I was betting on sports casually). By the way, we can be glad that Pinnacle is the one to choose to offer ESPORTS bets, as it's one of the best and most reputable betting sites on the market (and the one that offer the best odds and take the smallest cut, usually 4% where the standard is 5-10%). But for anyone interested to bet, I would recommend to read a lot about the subject before doing so (bankroll management in particular). You can bet casually too, like people who play loto or instant-games. Just have a budget and be strict about it.
On November 24 2011 04:53 zere wrote: Please everyone remember that betting real money will inevitably lead to losing real money. If you are going to bet, just for the heck of it, set yourself a monthly maximum, say 10 bucks. Hitting 2 or 3 wrong results in a row, money can vanish faster than you could possibly imagine. Odds are designed for you to lose money. The only one who wins in any betting game is the bookie. The best way in order to not lose money is simply not to bet. Don't even anyone dare to question this. No, not only others are stupid, you can be, too. You do not have a perfect system, because there is no perfect system. No, your friend of your friend did not win anything, especially not long-term, he is making stuff up. Be responsible and get rid of your illusion.
I don't know how to be clearer. I hope someone who wanted to throw his money away read this and stopped betting.
Wow, you really dont understand the odds market works. Dissapointing post from an admin. I think your confusing value betting with betting blindly.
this. i work for a gambling company and quite a few makes money in the long run. maybe not more than 1-2%, but there sure is those that do. and yes, its not about systems and such, its about value betting
FYI: Bookmakers don't actually try to predict what chances each side has of winning when they set their odds. They predict how players will bet and they set their odds accordingly. I.e. You don't need to be better than the bookie, you only need to be better than the other players. I think this is very, very doable in starcraft II.
On November 24 2011 23:35 freestalker wrote: Well I wonder how many of those who think winning through bets is easy.. One very simple poll, and be honest
Just in case it's spoilered Concerning MLG Providence
On November 24 2011 23:35 VoirDire wrote: FYI: Bookmakers don't actually try to predict what chances each side has of winning when they set their odds. They predict how players will bet and they set their odds accordingly. I.e. You don't need to be better than the bookie, you only need to be better than the other players. I think this is very, very doable in starcraft II.
Certain matchups are not predictable at all. DRG vs Leenock anyone?
On November 24 2011 23:35 freestalker wrote: Well I wonder how many of those who think winning through bets is easy.. One very simple poll, and be honest
Just in case it's spoilered Concerning MLG Providence
"Handicapping is a way of making a sports contest more even and thus more interesting as a betting object. In E-Sports betting, this is done by awarding one of the teams/players, the underdog, some maps/rounds ahead
For example: -----------------Handicap------- Odds Player A___ -1.5_______ 2.00 Player B___ +1.5_______ 1.85 If Player A wins the match by two maps or more, Player A bettors win and Player B bettors lose. If Player A wins by exactly one map or Player B wins, Player B bettors win and PlayerA bettors lose."
Does this mean that if i bet on Player A, and he wins 2-1, i lose the bet? This seems a bit strange, especially because it will be easier to determine a winner (in this case) if more maps are played. E.g if it's a Bo7 it would be a much higher probability for Player A to win by at least 2 games (if he is a better player), than if it's a Bo3.
On November 25 2011 01:32 sonnert wrote: From PinnacleSports:
"Handicapping is a way of making a sports contest more even and thus more interesting as a betting object. In E-Sports betting, this is done by awarding one of the teams/players, the underdog, some maps/rounds ahead
For example: -----------------Handicap------- Odds Player A___ -1.5_______ 2.00 Player B___ +1.5_______ 1.85 If Player A wins the match by two maps or more, Player A bettors win and Player B bettors lose. If Player A wins by exactly one map or Player B wins, Player B bettors win and PlayerA bettors lose."
Does this mean that if i bet on Player A, and he wins 2-1, i lose the bet? This seems a bit strange, especially because it will be easier to determine a winner (in this case) if more maps are played. E.g if it's a Bo7 it would be a much higher probability for Player A to win by at least 2 games (if he is a better player), than if it's a Bo3.
Am i reading this correctly?
Yes you lose,you can bet on moneyline which will be lower odds but your player can win 2-1 and you still win the bet.
If its bo7 line probably wont be 1.5 but more like 2.5.
On November 25 2011 01:39 Owl wrote: Yes you lose,you can bet on moneyline which will be lower odds but your player can win 2-1 and you still win the bet.
If its bo7 line probably wont be 1.5 but more like 2.5.
The line? I'm sorry i am very new to sports betting, i thought that there simply were odds (xMoney) and you bet for winner/loser.
So does this mean that if a player has higher odds (xMoney), he is considered the underdog? And how exactly does the "line" work? Why is it 1.5 and not 1.0 if the difference is 1 map won/lost?
EDIT: Oh i think i get it. The "Money Line" bet is simply for game series win/lose. And if you bet for the handicapped odds and the overdog has -1.5, it means the has to win by atleast 1.5 games = 2. Correct?
On February 10 2021 04:56 HOOCHIEMOMMA wrote: ggbet and betway are the best ones I know of... but only covers major events and sometimes not even all of the matches
On February 10 2021 04:56 HOOCHIEMOMMA wrote: ggbet and betway are the best ones I know of... but only covers major events and sometimes not even all of the matches
why would you bump a 10 year old thread
um its more like why wouldn't you? Just trying to help a dude from the past :^)
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