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Zren89
Profile Joined February 2011
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:37:46
November 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#81

you can't get mad at basketball cause you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me. ~Yoduh
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
November 22 2011 04:33 GMT
#82
On November 22 2011 12:26 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 12:17 Dazer wrote:
Because using nickname is organically part of the gaming culture and it has always been for decades.

If expanding esports means to compromise certain fundamental culture of gaming then Imo it's not worth it.

Really, if the usage of real names instead of monikers contributes to the fact that more pro-gamers other than just the top 10 can live off of their salaries comfortably without the need to do non-practice related activities (coach and what not) and allow for more progamers and teams to be able to afford training facilities I would switch to real names in a heart beat.

It's easy for us spectators to say that we should keep gaming culture when we don't have to deal with the day to day finances of making rent and other real life financial obligations with a pro-gamer's salaries and other rather less than consistent revenue streams.

And as other people have mentioned, in Korea, so call dubbed the "Mecca of eSports", pro-gamers are known by their real names. Lim Yo Hwan, Lee Jae Dong, Lim Jae Duk, Lee Young Ho, Kim Taek Young etc etc.


My two cents on the no nicknames in korea

The way i understand it, korean and oriental languages care much more about respect than english does. Thus, i feel it is probably inapropriate in their culture to use gaming handles. In the rest of the world for the most part, handles sound cool and are how we identify players. I don't think it needs to be changed anytime soon, unless if their is a financial reason.
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SolidMoose
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1240 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:36:19
November 22 2011 04:35 GMT
#83
It's a bit ridiculous to say Koreans exclusively use real names when the GSL always announces each player by their ID
Mallidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Scotland557 Posts
November 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#84
Nicknames defo.

Why?

Because a 'Dan Stemkoski Pylon' sounds bloody stupid!
Bleh.
Zren89
Profile Joined February 2011
United States131 Posts
November 22 2011 04:36 GMT
#85
On November 22 2011 13:33 Zren89 wrote:
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On November 22 2011 13:25 Rostam wrote:
Yeah, I prefer real names. I think it would actually somewhat help to legitimize ESPORTS as a mainstream thing, because to be honest the IDs probably seem quite weird to non-gamers. One of the reasons I'm more interested in the BW scene still is because it's not just "about the games", it's about the players. I think having real names is one of the factors that contributes to that.

On November 22 2011 12:58 Carush wrote:
this is such a horrible idea

nicknames are amazing they give every person the opportunity to be unique, i dont even like my real name and choosing new nicknames all the time is awesome


Why do you need to use IDs to be unique? A player should be identifiable from their playstyle and their accomplishments.

On November 22 2011 12:44 andrea20 wrote:
This is all probably due to how the brain is wired up.

In Korea, there's no problem using real names for SC pros because it's easier for Koreans to remember Korean names. With Starcraft becoming international, however, it's more difficult for people to remember real names outside of their nationality. It's like how Boxer typed in "Grack" instead of "Greg".

Handles, I believe, are a sign that the game is becoming truly international.


An avid fan of any sport can remember the names of a great many players, I don't see why Starcraft would be any different. I don't speak Korean but I know the real names of 50+ BW progamers just from the time I've spent following the game, just like as a baseball fan I could easily name 100+ MLB players without even thinking hard about it.



I disagree whole-heartedly, The legitimacy of something is not derived from what names or used or even how "professional" it is to people outside of the core fans, In fact legitimacy is a product of the validity of the business model and the amount of draw and watching potential. Everything else is peripheral and/or cultural. That being said I would hate for the uniqueness of the scene to be watered down, and obviously many in the community agree.
you can't get mad at basketball cause you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me. ~Yoduh
nukeazerg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States168 Posts
November 22 2011 04:38 GMT
#86
OchoCinco legally changed his name to his preferred nickname. Gamers should have to do this.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
November 22 2011 04:38 GMT
#87
On November 22 2011 13:36 Mallidon wrote:
Nicknames defo.

Why?

Because a 'Dan Stemkoski Pylon' sounds bloody stupid!


Using real names to identify players in professional tournaments doesn't mean everyone should suddenly forget about their IDs. Even though BW players in Korea are always identified with their real names, nobody refers to SK Terran style as "Kim Seul Ki Terran".
BW forever || Thall
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 22 2011 04:39 GMT
#88
Nicknames. I don't give a shit about "advancing ESPORTS"- either it will make it big as it is or it won't, I don't want to change something just so it'll become mainstream.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
November 22 2011 04:42 GMT
#89
On November 22 2011 13:35 SolidMoose wrote:
It's a bit ridiculous to say Koreans exclusively use real names when the GSL always announces each player by their ID


In BW, the players are exclusively referred to by their real names. In addition, I don't know if it's possible, but if you can ever watch the Korean GSL cast, the players are also referred to by their real names. I actually find the ID announcement rather awkward.

But for English casts, people have always referred to them by ID, so I don't particularly care about that. Just the introductions bother me.
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BlazeTSR
Profile Joined November 2011
United States218 Posts
November 22 2011 04:43 GMT
#90
More unique names is easier for players to remember imo. It goes will with this community to go by a alias.
Fan of ........... Protoss: Hero, iNcontroL, Nony Zerg: CatZ and Sheth Terran: Demuslim
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
November 22 2011 04:45 GMT
#91
Footballers from Brazil use nicknames and I have never seen that as something weird. If you want to use your real name just go ahead and do that.
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
November 22 2011 04:46 GMT
#92
Nicknames are of course easier to remember but I do agree that using real names does make the sport seem more professional.
Jaiden
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany60 Posts
November 22 2011 04:47 GMT
#93
Real names are a really personal thing for me. All my friends use my first name, but usually i dont want any stranger referring me in that way. Thats just not polite to call someone unasked with their full or first name. Nicknames are a bridge because you can speak with someone without being to personal.

While Casting its different, because the players and caster are in the spotlight. Normally all interested viewers know the name of the important players and thats fine. But i think its just easier to refer someone in the heat of a battle with "Socke" instead of Giacomo Thüs or Pavel Kuznetsov (Brat_OK).
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
November 22 2011 04:49 GMT
#94
On November 22 2011 13:36 Zren89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 13:33 Zren89 wrote:
On November 22 2011 13:25 Rostam wrote:
Yeah, I prefer real names. I think it would actually somewhat help to legitimize ESPORTS as a mainstream thing, because to be honest the IDs probably seem quite weird to non-gamers. One of the reasons I'm more interested in the BW scene still is because it's not just "about the games", it's about the players. I think having real names is one of the factors that contributes to that.

On November 22 2011 12:58 Carush wrote:
this is such a horrible idea

nicknames are amazing they give every person the opportunity to be unique, i dont even like my real name and choosing new nicknames all the time is awesome


Why do you need to use IDs to be unique? A player should be identifiable from their playstyle and their accomplishments.

On November 22 2011 12:44 andrea20 wrote:
This is all probably due to how the brain is wired up.

In Korea, there's no problem using real names for SC pros because it's easier for Koreans to remember Korean names. With Starcraft becoming international, however, it's more difficult for people to remember real names outside of their nationality. It's like how Boxer typed in "Grack" instead of "Greg".

Handles, I believe, are a sign that the game is becoming truly international.


An avid fan of any sport can remember the names of a great many players, I don't see why Starcraft would be any different. I don't speak Korean but I know the real names of 50+ BW progamers just from the time I've spent following the game, just like as a baseball fan I could easily name 100+ MLB players without even thinking hard about it.



I disagree whole-heartedly, The legitimacy of something is not derived from what names or used or even how "professional" it is to people outside of the core fans, In fact legitimacy is a product of the validity of the business model and the amount of draw and watching potential. Everything else is peripheral and/or cultural. That being said I would hate for the uniqueness of the scene to be watered down, and obviously many in the community agree.


Obviously it's not a big deal, if the product is good you'll draw in viewers either way. However, I think that it can absolutely have an affect on how non-gamers and prospective sponsors view the presentation of the game. "MarineKing" might sound cool to us, but that doesn't mean it's going to seem anything but childish to someone who has no idea about the game. As for the "uniqueness", I don't see it as a factor. The game is plenty unique on its own. Nobody has trouble distinguishing soccer from baseball just because they don't use aliases for their players.
BW forever || Thall
Lunit
Profile Joined July 2010
United States183 Posts
November 22 2011 04:49 GMT
#95
Its in our culture today. It goes the same for music. There are many Artists with nicknames that they are referred by. It can work both ways its really just the preference of the person.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
November 22 2011 04:52 GMT
#96
On November 22 2011 13:47 Jaiden wrote:
Real names are a really personal thing for me. All my friends use my first name, but usually i dont want any stranger referring me in that way. Thats just not polite to call someone unasked with their full or first name. Nicknames are a bridge because you can speak with someone without being to personal.

While Casting its different, because the players and caster are in the spotlight. Normally all interested viewers know the name of the important players and thats fine. But i think its just easier to refer someone in the heat of a battle with "Socke" instead of Giacomo Thüs or Pavel Kuznetsov (Brat_OK).


Casters in sports (and in BW) do it all the time, I don't see why it would be a problem.
BW forever || Thall
cabarkapa
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1011 Posts
November 22 2011 04:55 GMT
#97
Don't forget the genius of the XFL in using nicknames.

He Hate Me is forever immortalized as a true hero.
Jaehoon - Master strategist
Vectoor
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden62 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:57:12
November 22 2011 04:56 GMT
#98
I think the key is language, a good nickname is much easier to remember than a korean name. The SC2 scene is so damn international, and I love it :D
applejuice
Profile Joined October 2010
307 Posts
November 22 2011 04:57 GMT
#99
Honestly, is this really an issue?

This is not 1995, and the internet is not a new thing to most people. Everyone, and I mean, everyone, under the age of 25 understands online aliases. And most people older than that as well. I'm sure it's been stated elsewhere in this thread, but everywhere on the internet uses aliases with the exception of social networking sites. Youtube, anyone?

This does not slow the growth of e-sports AT ALL, in my opinion. Probably helps it.
zyzski
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
November 22 2011 04:59 GMT
#100
aliases are better in western culture
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