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Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
November 22 2011 03:58 GMT
#61
this is such a horrible idea

nicknames are amazing they give every person the opportunity to be unique, i dont even like my real name and choosing new nicknames all the time is awesome
Dhalphir
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia1305 Posts
November 22 2011 03:58 GMT
#62
I'm of two minds about it.

On the one hand, nicknames are cool and can be just as permanent as real names for people like IdrA, or Strifeco, cool names like that.

But then you have people like that fuckhead Maj0r, who changes his name to something even more retarded every other week. I feel like I want something to be done to combat that.
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MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:11:44
November 22 2011 04:00 GMT
#63
Lee Jae Dong agrees with this post

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the real names is better!

User was temp banned for this post.
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Bengui
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada775 Posts
November 22 2011 04:09 GMT
#64
On November 22 2011 12:38 echO [W] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 12:34 Kieofire wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:26 echO [W] wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:17 Dazer wrote:
Because using nickname is organically part of the gaming culture and it has always been for decades.

If expanding esports means to compromise certain fundamental culture of gaming then Imo it's not worth it.

Really, if the usage of real names instead of monikers contributes to the fact that more pro-gamers other than just the top 10 can live off of their salaries comfortably without the need to do non-practice related activities (coach and what not) and allow for more progamers and teams to be able to afford training facilities I would switch to real names in a heart beat.

It's easy for us spectators to say that we should keep gaming culture when we don't have to deal with the day to day finances of making rent and other real life financial obligations with a pro-gamer's salaries and other rather less than consistent revenue streams.

And as other people have mentioned, in Korea, so call dubbed the "Mecca of eSports", pro-gamers are known by their real names. Lim Yo Hwan, Lee Jae Dong, Lim Jae Duk, Lee Young Ho, Kim Taek Young etc etc.


Well that is a problem really, if BW had spread out more to say Europe, the Korean casters would have a hard time pronouncing the names. That to me is the biggest conflict that will keep this from happening.

I disagree, think about the number of players in pro-sports from Latin American countries with strange names, commentators learn them, and how to say them. Troy Polomalu, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, or Prince Amukamara (NFL).

No they don't :/
They just americanize the pronunciation.
I've been watching hockey in english for years, and I still haven't found a single english commentator that can pronounce "Dupuis", "Michel" or "Letang" properly.
echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
November 22 2011 04:13 GMT
#65
On November 22 2011 13:09 Bengui wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 12:38 echO [W] wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:34 Kieofire wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:26 echO [W] wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:17 Dazer wrote:
Because using nickname is organically part of the gaming culture and it has always been for decades.

If expanding esports means to compromise certain fundamental culture of gaming then Imo it's not worth it.

Really, if the usage of real names instead of monikers contributes to the fact that more pro-gamers other than just the top 10 can live off of their salaries comfortably without the need to do non-practice related activities (coach and what not) and allow for more progamers and teams to be able to afford training facilities I would switch to real names in a heart beat.

It's easy for us spectators to say that we should keep gaming culture when we don't have to deal with the day to day finances of making rent and other real life financial obligations with a pro-gamer's salaries and other rather less than consistent revenue streams.

And as other people have mentioned, in Korea, so call dubbed the "Mecca of eSports", pro-gamers are known by their real names. Lim Yo Hwan, Lee Jae Dong, Lim Jae Duk, Lee Young Ho, Kim Taek Young etc etc.


Well that is a problem really, if BW had spread out more to say Europe, the Korean casters would have a hard time pronouncing the names. That to me is the biggest conflict that will keep this from happening.

I disagree, think about the number of players in pro-sports from Latin American countries with strange names, commentators learn them, and how to say them. Troy Polomalu, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, or Prince Amukamara (NFL).

No they don't :/
They just americanize the pronunciation.
I've been watching hockey in english for years, and I still haven't found a single english commentator that can pronounce "Dupuis", "Michel" or "Letang" properly.

Good point, I guess the point I was making was that I felt most people were arguing that it would be hard for people to understand. While I guess the pronunciations are Americanized, or Koreanized, or Insert-language-here-anized, that most people should be able to understand who the commentators are talking about with relative ease.
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sebusca
Profile Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
November 22 2011 04:14 GMT
#66
On November 22 2011 12:08 Fuzer wrote:
Hi

I've been wondering why we are using nicknames at major tournaments (example MLG) instead of real names? I mean for a normal guy who havent never heard about Starcraft 2 or other video games it sounds kinda stupid that they are calling each other by their nicknames, example Huk instead of Chris Loranger.

Nickname thing is kinda useless, because at lan events no one is not basicly hiding behind their nickname so why to use them? So why don't we use Greg Fields instead of Idra. If people wants to make StarCraft 2 bigger, I think that the major thing is to start calling people with their real names.

Is there any other "sport" that uses nicknames over real names? Well ofcourse there are some, but example when you are watching news at TV, they never call sportsmen/sportswomen by their nicknames. Or if you are watching football broadcast from TV, they rarely call players by their nickname. But in esports we are doing it all the time!

By short, I just think that nicknames are slowing Starcraft / esports!
Poll: Nicknames or Realnames

Nicknames (1054)
 
58%

Realnames (379)
 
21%

Both (283)
 
16%

I don't care (97)
 
5%

1813 total votes

Your vote: Nicknames or Realnames

(Vote): Nicknames
(Vote): Realnames
(Vote): Both
(Vote): I don't care



Edit. New poll =)

Edit2.
Show nested quote +
All of you people realize that in the Korean scene, players are known and referred to by their real names *only* . . . never by their nicknames.

Almost no one in Korea knows who "SlayerSBoxeR" is, but Lim Yo Hwan . . . he's a national celebrity. In all Korean casts, players are referred exclusively by their real names that their mommies gave them.



Right athletes are never referred to as nicknames. Kobe Bryant isn't Black Mamba, Dwyane Wade isn't Flash. "Smokin Joe"
Frazier. Calvin Johnson isn't Megatron. There's no Big Papi David Ortiz or the Sultan of Swing. None of these things exist right?
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
November 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#67
It's part of western gamer culture. Why try to change it? Koreans want to use names, we use IDs, its fine.
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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
November 22 2011 04:15 GMT
#68
I would prefer ten times more if players were called by their real names ): .
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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:17:56
November 22 2011 04:17 GMT
#69
Why can't be we all be like Tyler and be named Tyler so that people can just call us Tyler.
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Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
November 22 2011 04:22 GMT
#70
On November 22 2011 13:17 Fishgle wrote:
Why can't be we all be like Tyler and be named Tyler so that people can just call us Tyler.

You mean, Nony? Most people I know still refer to him as that.
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sebusca
Profile Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
November 22 2011 04:22 GMT
#71
On November 22 2011 13:17 Fishgle wrote:
Why can't be we all be like Tyler and be named Tyler so that people can just call us Tyler.


Except for the part where he became famous as NonY and not Tyler and is still referred to as NonY.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
November 22 2011 04:22 GMT
#72

Right athletes are never referred to as nicknames. Kobe Bryant isn't Black Mamba, Dwyane Wade isn't Flash. "Smokin Joe"
Frazier. Calvin Johnson isn't Megatron. There's no Big Papi David Ortiz or the Sultan of Swing. None of these things exist right?

well Earvin Johnson was known as Magic Johnson :p
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
November 22 2011 04:23 GMT
#73
I thought this was about all the bullshit forced nicknames they give players, not their IDs. I feel like Tastosis assigns every single code S player a nickname, some have like 5 and they all feel so forced, we have MC as the Kratoss and July as the God of War... when you have two people with the same god damn nickname its quite clear you're giving out nicknames for the sake of giving out nicknames. Half the time someone is given a nickname for how they played in ONE game. Not everyone deserves one.

There's only a handful of nicknames I actually like. Professor Tea for Nestea teaching the world how to play Zerg, the Brood War carry overs are fine like Genius Terran for Nada, Son of Boxer is pretty accurate for MMA, but not many others really.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Zren89
Profile Joined February 2011
United States131 Posts
November 22 2011 04:24 GMT
#74
On November 22 2011 12:08 Fuzer wrote:
Hi

I've been wondering why we are using nicknames at major tournaments (example MLG) instead of real names? I mean for a normal guy who havent never heard about Starcraft 2 or other video games it sounds kinda stupid that they are calling each other by their nicknames, example Huk instead of Chris Loranger.

Nickname thing is kinda useless, because at lan events no one is not basicly hiding behind their nickname so why to use them? So why don't we use Greg Fields instead of Idra. If people wants to make StarCraft 2 bigger, I think that the major thing is to start calling people with their real names.

Is there any other "sport" that uses nicknames over real names? Well ofcourse there are some, but example when you are watching news at TV, they never call sportsmen/sportswomen by their nicknames. Or if you are watching football broadcast from TV, they rarely call players by their nickname. But in esports we are doing it all the time!

By short, I just think that nicknames are slowing Starcraft / esports!
Poll: Nicknames or Realnames

Nicknames (1054)
 
58%

Realnames (379)
 
21%

Both (283)
 
16%

I don't care (97)
 
5%

1813 total votes

Your vote: Nicknames or Realnames

(Vote): Nicknames
(Vote): Realnames
(Vote): Both
(Vote): I don't care



Edit. New poll =)

Edit2.
Show nested quote +
All of you people realize that in the Korean scene, players are known and referred to by their real names *only* . . . never by their nicknames.

Almost no one in Korea knows who "SlayerSBoxeR" is, but Lim Yo Hwan . . . he's a national celebrity. In all Korean casts, players are referred exclusively by their real names that their mommies gave them.

you can't get mad at basketball cause you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me. ~Yoduh
sebusca
Profile Joined November 2010
United States72 Posts
November 22 2011 04:25 GMT
#75
On November 22 2011 13:23 Greggle wrote:
I thought this was about all the bullshit forced nicknames they give players, not their IDs. I feel like Tastosis assigns every single code S player a nickname, some have like 5 and they all feel so forced, we have MC as the Kratoss and July as the God of War... when you have two people with the same god damn nickname its quite clear you're giving out nicknames for the sake of giving out nicknames. Half the time someone is given a nickname for how they played in ONE game. Not everyone deserves one.

There's only a handful of nicknames I actually like. Professor Tea for Nestea teaching the world how to play Zerg, the Brood War carry overs are fine like Genius Terran for Nada, Son of Boxer is pretty accurate for MMA, but not many others really.


Lol July was the God of War long before Tastosis said it. Learn your history.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:30:25
November 22 2011 04:25 GMT
#76
Yeah, I prefer real names. I think it would actually somewhat help to legitimize ESPORTS as a mainstream thing, because to be honest the IDs probably seem quite weird to non-gamers. One of the reasons I'm more interested in the BW scene still is because it's not just "about the games", it's about the players. I think having real names is one of the factors that contributes to that.

On November 22 2011 12:58 Carush wrote:
this is such a horrible idea

nicknames are amazing they give every person the opportunity to be unique, i dont even like my real name and choosing new nicknames all the time is awesome


Why do you need to use IDs to be unique? A player should be identifiable from their playstyle and their accomplishments.

On November 22 2011 12:44 andrea20 wrote:
This is all probably due to how the brain is wired up.

In Korea, there's no problem using real names for SC pros because it's easier for Koreans to remember Korean names. With Starcraft becoming international, however, it's more difficult for people to remember real names outside of their nationality. It's like how Boxer typed in "Grack" instead of "Greg".

Handles, I believe, are a sign that the game is becoming truly international.


An avid fan of any sport can remember the names of a great many players, I don't see why Starcraft would be any different. I don't speak Korean but I know the real names of 50+ BW progamers just from the time I've spent following the game, just like as a baseball fan I could easily name 100+ MLB players without even thinking hard about it.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
November 22 2011 04:28 GMT
#77
both, t hat's how the koreans do it :D
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Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
November 22 2011 04:31 GMT
#78
I think the absudity of some names is actually a draw for lots of people, and real names would just be boring IMO.
Zren89
Profile Joined February 2011
United States131 Posts
November 22 2011 04:31 GMT
#79
Honestly, I would hate to see the use of gamer tags fall by the way-side, while it may not be the most "professional" it is a big part of what makes gaming gaming (to me and many others by the results of the poll). The casters should not be held to this standard of uber-professionalism either, for instance I have noted a marked drop in the amount of swearing going on at mlg's :/ This may not anger some but to me it's censorship, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with sponsor pressure and the rate at which e-sports is becoming "main-stream" but I'm sad to see it, I think that soon this wonderful world that many grew up with is going to become watered down and mass marketed, I would rather that not happen, but such is the way with progress. But I digress, the issue is Real Names vs. Nicknames, I'm all for the use of Tags, I think it lends a unique flavor to E-sports and most people do know the actual names of their favorite players, but not of those that they are merely acquainted with, knowing the real name is something of a sign that you're truly interested in a player/personality. And as for what they do in KR, WHO CARES!? They have been doing their own thing for a very long time and the west has been doing the same, no reason this can't continue, diversity is good
you can't get mad at basketball cause you think kobe bryant is a horrible person. you don't see basketball forums with "kobe bryant is killing basketball!". it doesn't work like that, how the SC2 community made that connection is beyond me. ~Yoduh
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 04:33:21
November 22 2011 04:32 GMT
#80
its a cultural thing i guess. using nicks would be looked down upon in korea for its lack of professionalism plus inability to pronounce some of the names correctly, and childish (like wwe). nicks help in the states because it has a huge pool of various names.

if ya'll want this to be mainstream, or professional, at a level that it can be broadcasted on TV like in korea, real name is a must for its professionalism. however, if you want it to be more like WWE-ish (i assume why using nick seems so natural to many), nicks will do fine.

whatever the case, i wish they present both. some players i know by real name and some players i know by nick, naturally i know bw players by real name and sc2 players by their nick because i get my bw source in korean while sc2 source in english (DAMN YOU GOM, ALLOW KOREAN STREAMS FOR FOREIGN COUNTRIES!!!)

comparing it to sports athlete's nick name isn't really comparable since most of them of earned, not made up. and its a nick, just that, not used as official. you dont see "King James" when showing player stats. (however players can choose what name they want to use, like Chicharito)

i prefer real name if i had to choose but i really dont care, i see positives for both.
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