Like many have said before, I like what Tasteless does when he introduces himself as Nick "Tasteless" Plott.
Nicknames are alright I guess, but I feel like it would be better to start using real names during casts, which would lead to casual on-lookers take the scene a bit more seriously.
Ideally, introducing the players at the start with First-nick-last names, and then refer to the players by their real names for the rest of the game would be best.
On November 26 2011 10:51 leveller wrote: I can understand using nicks for players even if I would prefer real names
But please it is just ridiculous to hear two caster sit right next to eachother and not use eachothers real names. Come on guys.
YES, this! Casters really need to start using their real names.
I definitely agree with that notion.
Every other game in the Western market uses first name followed by the alias followed by last name. It works for the foreigners quite well, but as others have mentioned it just sounds really weird when it comes to the Korean names:
On November 22 2011 12:52 Arisen wrote: Look, this is a game. The reason everyone got to where they are today is becuase they loved this game and and the culture; by trying taking out part of the culture like ID's, you're trying to take out a big part of what makes Starcraft what it is. No one wants to hear about Greg Fields, because Greg Fields sounds fucking boring, EVERYONE wants to hear about IdrA though. People need to stop being so fucking serious and just enjoy things for once without caring about X or Y or Z "hurting esports".
See, this right here is how culturally divided Korea is from the "rest". I'm sure the argument you just made wouldn't fly in Korea where they don't see using their real names as being boring at all.
Yeah, there is still a huge division between the two. I don't mind it though. Just makes us more culturally diverse. If we were to tie in their real names it would definitely become more personable.
ilovelings, players don't necessarily come up with those nicknames themselves; they're given by the people too.
Personally I think people are more identifiable by their nickname than their real name in Starcraft 2. I mean people say that in Korea more people would know who you were talking about if you said Lee Young Ho instead of FlaSh but I'm sure that in most other countries it would be the opposite especially for players who are just getting new to the scene.
I have a lot of friends who have gotten a tad into BW since they really like SC2 and if I said "Man did you guys here EffOrt is coming back?!" they would probably say "Oh really, that's awesome!" but if I said "Man you guys here Kim Jung Woo is back?!" they would be like "Who?...". I mean obvious names like Jaedongs and popular people like BoxeR are easy to identify by their actual names but for others who are not one of the world's best or not one of the world's most popular, their nickname is more memorable and frankly just easier in terms of remembrance and convenience. Never hurts to learn people's real name though! ^_^
It's the same in WWE/etc. You say "The Rock", not Dwayne Johnson.
Also, everyone knows who Huk is, but say Chris Loranger and they might be wondering, "Who is that?".
Same goes for Koreans. I bet most people don't know who Lim Jae Duk is, but when you say Nestea, they'd all know. (unless, of course, they've been living under a rock for the entirety of Nestea's dream)
For the people saying that nicknames turn people off to the game, those people wouldn't like the game anyways. Nobody's going to be put off to the game just because professional players are called by their handles instead of their real names. This is evidenced by all the posts here. A person isn't going to "hate esports" just because they don't like nicknames. They may dislike nicknames but I doubt that's enough to make someone hate the sport itself.
That being said, I think it's ridiculous when the checks are made out to the player's handles. Imagine cashing a check made out to "DeMusliM".
in a typical sports games, last names are on the jerseys of the players, making it easy for spectators to see and determine who is who
but in sc2 we just see their ign in which it's easiest if casters call them by their ign. unless people are required to use their real name as their ign, the simplest way would be to use nicknames
On November 26 2011 11:59 dhe95 wrote: in a typical sports games, last names are on the jerseys of the players, making it easy for spectators to see and determine who is who
but in sc2 we just see their ign in which it's easiest if casters call them by their ign. unless people are required to use their real name as their ign, the simplest way would be to use nicknames
I'm reminded of the XFL, where players were allowed to go by nicknames if they wanted to.
I feel like there's an easy way to fix this, that way being just first name > alias > last name. Greg 'idra' Fields sounds professional and it doesn't drop the alias. It would get tiresome to say that all through a cast, so maybe just use that during the introduction and use nicknames throughout the game. The people saying that the nicknames turns off a lot of casual viewers do have a point, though. I tried to show some of my family what Starcraft is this thanksgiving and a lot of them thought that the nicknames were stupid, and it made competitive gaming seem a lot more childish to them. Casters seriously do need to start transitioning into using their real names when they're together as well. I've watched tons of Starcraft and it still feels weird to me when Dan calls Nick 'tasteless'.
On November 26 2011 12:22 Noak3 wrote: The people saying that the nicknames turns off a lot of casual viewers do have a point, though. I tried to show some of my family what Starcraft is this thanksgiving and a lot of them thought that the nicknames were stupid, and it made competitive gaming seem a lot more childish to them.
And this is a problem why? How about we try to attract people that are actually interested and somewhat involved in gaming as opposed to your gran, your aunt the knitting fan, some random football fans and a guy who's never played a game in his life? You know, try and make e-sports as interesting and appealing for the people it is targeted at?
I really don't understand why people seem to think that we must market e-sports for the masses. Why? So we can have commercial breaks during matches as well? So we can casually talk about Starcraft during coffee breaks with anyone at the office that doesn't actually know shit about the game and has semi-watched a game on TV once?
I'm all for e-sports expanding, but let's expand where there actually is room for us instead of trying to change every single aspect of the scene that might be unattractive to *random demographic* and lose everything e-sports is in the process.
On November 26 2011 11:59 dhe95 wrote: in a typical sports games, last names are on the jerseys of the players, making it easy for spectators to see and determine who is who
but in sc2 we just see their ign in which it's easiest if casters call them by their ign. unless people are required to use their real name as their ign, the simplest way would be to use nicknames
I'm reminded of the XFL, where players were allowed to go by nicknames if they wanted to.
I actually didn't know the XFL existed until just now, but either way, did the casters call them by their names or nicknames? and still, the majority of sports uses the names that are shown, the names that a typical person would easily understand by looking on the screen
On November 26 2011 12:22 Noak3 wrote: The people saying that the nicknames turns off a lot of casual viewers do have a point, though. I tried to show some of my family what Starcraft is this thanksgiving and a lot of them thought that the nicknames were stupid, and it made competitive gaming seem a lot more childish to them.
And this is a problem why? How about we try to attract people that are actually interested and somewhat involved in gaming as opposed to your gran, your aunt the knitting fan, some random football fans and a guy who's never played a game in his life? You know, try and make e-sports as interesting and appealing for the people it is targeted at?
I really don't understand why people seem to think that we must market e-sports for the masses. Why? So we can have commercial breaks during matches as well? So we can casually talk about Starcraft during coffee breaks with anyone at the office that doesn't actually know shit about the game and has semi-watched a game on TV once?
I'm all for e-sports expanding, but let's expand where there actually is room for us instead of trying to change every single aspect of the scene that might be unattractive to *random demographic* and lose everything e-sports is in the process.
If we're going to follow you're logic, it's practically saying, "Hey, let's wait till someone comes to us."
No, that's not how you grow an industry. The spirit of e-sports will remain the same as so long as people continue to play for the sake of the game, but in terms of growing e-sports as in industry, you have to appeal to the masses.
A lot of people want to see this expand to where it becomes something to talk about during office-break times. You know why? Because it shows how legitimate e-sports really is.
Tell me, would you rather travel 30 miles to find an e-cafe or be able to watch MLG at your local bar and enjoy it with your friends? The way we view the scene must change if we want e-sports to expand. Otherwise, it won't be e-sports anymore. It'll be just a game.
That being said, handles/nicknames have been a relatively important part of the game since day one. But, it would be nice to throw in the actual name, then the nickname. (Kinda like they do announcing for wrestling/boxing matches where there are nicknames)
On November 26 2011 11:59 dhe95 wrote: in a typical sports games, last names are on the jerseys of the players, making it easy for spectators to see and determine who is who
but in sc2 we just see their ign in which it's easiest if casters call them by their ign. unless people are required to use their real name as their ign, the simplest way would be to use nicknames
I'm reminded of the XFL, where players were allowed to go by nicknames if they wanted to.
I actually didn't know the XFL existed until just now, but either way, did the casters call them by their names or nicknames? and still, the majority of sports uses the names that are shown, the names that a typical person would easily understand by looking on the screen
Nicknames... "he hate me" was quite popular. The XFL is what I like to call a failed experiment, they tried to make NFL Blitz into reality without actually having all the things that made Blitz great.
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