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Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
November 22 2011 03:34 GMT
#41
The scene is more about the games and less about the players. Because if you make it about the players, well... some are really awkward. Better to keep as it is.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1777 Posts
November 22 2011 03:37 GMT
#42
It's a result of Korean dominance. Korean names are just so much different than Euro/NA names, so it's hard to identify a player with it. I'm sure the reverse is the same.
ScyHigh
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom53 Posts
November 22 2011 03:38 GMT
#43
A good parallel to look at is Pro-Wrestling to some extent.
chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
November 22 2011 03:38 GMT
#44
All of you people realize that in the Korean scene, players are known and referred to by their real names *only* . . . never by their nicknames.

Almost no one in Korea knows who "SlayerSBoxeR" is, but Lim Yo Hwan . . . he's a national celebrity. In all Korean casts, players are referred exclusively by their real names that their mommies gave them.
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 03:40:06
November 22 2011 03:38 GMT
#45
On November 22 2011 12:34 Kieofire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2011 12:26 echO [W] wrote:
On November 22 2011 12:17 Dazer wrote:
Because using nickname is organically part of the gaming culture and it has always been for decades.

If expanding esports means to compromise certain fundamental culture of gaming then Imo it's not worth it.

Really, if the usage of real names instead of monikers contributes to the fact that more pro-gamers other than just the top 10 can live off of their salaries comfortably without the need to do non-practice related activities (coach and what not) and allow for more progamers and teams to be able to afford training facilities I would switch to real names in a heart beat.

It's easy for us spectators to say that we should keep gaming culture when we don't have to deal with the day to day finances of making rent and other real life financial obligations with a pro-gamer's salaries and other rather less than consistent revenue streams.

And as other people have mentioned, in Korea, so call dubbed the "Mecca of eSports", pro-gamers are known by their real names. Lim Yo Hwan, Lee Jae Dong, Lim Jae Duk, Lee Young Ho, Kim Taek Young etc etc.


Well that is a problem really, if BW had spread out more to say Europe, the Korean casters would have a hard time pronouncing the names. That to me is the biggest conflict that will keep this from happening.

I disagree, think about the number of players in pro-sports from Latin American countries with strange names, commentators learn them, and how to say them. Troy Polomalu, T. J. Houshmandzadeh, or Prince Amukamara (NFL).
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
November 22 2011 03:43 GMT
#46
Nicknames are cooler and more meaningful.
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kdgns
Profile Joined May 2009
United States2427 Posts
November 22 2011 03:44 GMT
#47
I think we should make a distinction between nicknames and screen names/handles, a nickname is given after you enter the sport, for example, Calvin Johnson wasn't Megatron till he started playing on TV, it took him a while to get noticed, and Megatron was given to him by someone else, when he signed up he signed up as Calvin Johnson. Similarly, in starcraft, a nickname is given to players after the fact, such as Nal_ra's Dreamer, Boxer's Emperor, Nada's Genius Terran, are all names they are given after the fact, so nicknames like these are common throughout all sports, it gives it a feel of epicness, it makes you feel "this guys are so good they get a title"

Handles and screenames are kind of unique to the esports community. In fact the koreans actually do call all of the players by their real names, its really only the community that doesnt speak the language that refers to them by screen names. In this sense using screen names helps international appeal by bridging language barriers. I think in that sense esports is correct to use it, you cant go and start up a basketball game between Germany and Korea, but you can start up a game of starcraft easily, having a reconizable ID is important if you are dealing with international players since you are an amateur.
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
November 22 2011 03:44 GMT
#48
This is all probably due to how the brain is wired up.

In Korea, there's no problem using real names for SC pros because it's easier for Koreans to remember Korean names. With Starcraft becoming international, however, it's more difficult for people to remember real names outside of their nationality. It's like how Boxer typed in "Grack" instead of "Greg".

Handles, I believe, are a sign that the game is becoming truly international.
Erzz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada184 Posts
November 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#49
I was going to comment about how I couldn't spell some names, but when I typed Tyler Wasieleski to show how bad I was at spelling foreign (to me) names, it turned out to be correct.
Koibu0
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States513 Posts
November 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#50
This is an interesting point that I have wondered myself. It may be the norm here to use handles, but why do we do it? For us, it does make following Koreans easier, but is that a good enough reason to use them?

At the same time, is there a problem with using handles? It might actually be a good thing, helping to maintain some semblance of privacy as a star. If I were a famous player, I would much rather be known as "Koibu" in public, and by my real name in privet. Yeah, we all know Idra is Greg Fields, and Sir Scoots is Scott Smith, but I wouldn't feel comfortable calling either one by their real name, and I'm sure they'd rather just have their real friends use their real names.

I think having stars called by their handles is a great thing. It gives them some level of distance from their fans, gives them a unique personality (MarineKingPrime? It's a perfect name), and lets the players express themselves a little bit. Colorful names are great: iNcontroL, Temp0, ThisIsJimmy, Destiny, Hero, MVP. Even the colorful names that are kind of lame are still kind of cool: Killer, LegalMind, A_Giant_Smurf, ActionJesus

Ruccola
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway81 Posts
November 22 2011 03:45 GMT
#51
One thing is players, but what about casters? It's a bit weird when trying to show Starcraft 2 to someone who doesn't know a thing, and then everything starts off with "Hi, i'm Tasteless and with me is Artosis" or "This is Catspyjamas and Painuser welcoming you to IPL".
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
November 22 2011 03:46 GMT
#52
Korean names are always 2 or 3 characters so that is one of the reasons the Korean scene uses that
OzkanTheFlip
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States246 Posts
November 22 2011 03:47 GMT
#53
Nicknames are a part of esports it would be a shame to stop using them
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Chamby
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
November 22 2011 03:47 GMT
#54
i think that most of the fans recognize the players by their nicknames better than their real names. i also think that nicknames are better because the SC2 community is a global one and so rather than learning names in a bunch of different languages, everyone just calls each other by their nicknames
Special Endrey
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1929 Posts
November 22 2011 03:51 GMT
#55
well we are not in korea - at least most of lol - l like nick names
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Arisen
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2382 Posts
November 22 2011 03:52 GMT
#56
Look, this is a game. The reason everyone got to where they are today is becuase they loved this game and and the culture; by trying taking out part of the culture like ID's, you're trying to take out a big part of what makes Starcraft what it is. No one wants to hear about Greg Fields, because Greg Fields sounds fucking boring, EVERYONE wants to hear about IdrA though. People need to stop being so fucking serious and just enjoy things for once without caring about X or Y or Z "hurting esports".
"If you're not angry, you're not paying attention"
apm66
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada943 Posts
November 22 2011 03:53 GMT
#57
nicknames are their stage names. Just like some Hollywood actors or even some pro athletes
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echO [W]
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1495 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 03:57:59
November 22 2011 03:57 GMT
#58
On November 22 2011 12:52 Arisen wrote:
Look, this is a game. The reason everyone got to where they are today is becuase they loved this game and and the culture; by trying taking out part of the culture like ID's, you're trying to take out a big part of what makes Starcraft what it is. No one wants to hear about Greg Fields, because Greg Fields sounds fucking boring, EVERYONE wants to hear about IdrA though. People need to stop being so fucking serious and just enjoy things for once without caring about X or Y or Z "hurting esports".

eSports isn't the only game that has had to deal with this, in Baseball people are still arguing about this, should we have instant replay? You have your traditionalists who believe that we should keep the tradition and romance of Baseball and have Umpires decide, while you have those who argue, since Baseball is such a huge business, and millions of dollars are on the line, we should institute instant replay to get everything right.

Just because something is the way it is now, doesn't mean that it should be the same way in the future. Tradition is important, but so is making progress.

There may come a point in time where pro-gaming will have to take this into consideration, is a name so important that we should cling onto it, or is it something rather inconsequential that we can let go if it means the acceleration of the growth of eSports and more of our favorite pro-gamers can make a living off of it.
"Or a school bus over a bunch of kids" - Tasteless --- “A man's errors are his portals of discovery.” - James Joyce
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
November 22 2011 03:57 GMT
#59
actually it's ID vs Real name. Some players are given nickname by fans due to their characteristic/gameplay/etc
ie. Jeong Jong-Hyeon = real name, mvp = ID, Genie terran = nickname
SoulSever
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada779 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-22 03:58:26
November 22 2011 03:57 GMT
#60
Can anyone picture Artosis yelling out I AM LIM JAE DUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?

Also, not everyone can have a baller ass name like Lee Jae Dong
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