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Xenorawks
158 Posts
Whatever SlayerS does to him it's their buisness true, but I still think not letting him continuing in Code S is a little too much. Not like it's so easy to get into code S, might as well let Coca finish the season at least? Why throw away a chance that a SlayerS might get another GSL trophy? Geez... | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
I don't see a problem with how this was dealed with. If I managed a team I would of suspended the player from tourneys as well. People learn from their mistakes and I think CoCa learned a big lesson during ESV. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:13 SniXSniPe wrote: And relatively new to SlayerS, actually. Which became part of the problem. If he was a seasoned member, and they knew him very well, they would have been able to handle this better.CoCa was already a good player before joining SlayerS. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:40 Xenorawks wrote: Overkill is overkill. Whatever SlayerS does to him it's their buisness true, but I still think not letting him continuing in Code S is a little too much. Not like it's so easy to get into code S, might as well let Coca finish the season at least? Why throw away a chance that a SlayerS might get another GSL trophy? Geez... because sometimes, honor matters more than glory. | ||
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Boblhead
United States2577 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:43 jinorazi wrote: because sometimes, honor matters more than glory. completely agree! Westerners don't take the game as seriously, sure some of them do, but most teams I don't think have the mentality to run teams like koreans do. Yes, hurting your teams image is pretty much like spitting in the face of your manager, its a disgrace. People shouldn't be worried considering its also a different society. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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farnham
1378 Posts
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Zerguru
31 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:55 farnham wrote: Definately. Match fixing cannot be proven easily but if it is proven you cannot ignore it. Think about it. Many korean players that are in the same team could help each other so that code a or code b player get the code a or code s seeds. This kind of behavior cannot be tolerated as it destroys the very spirit of competition. Tolerating this kind of behavior would open players that are more sly the opportunity to use matchfixing for money making (like savior). I believe Coca and Byun should be prohibited to participate in any event for at least a year. You realize that would completely ruin their lives. They don't make enough money, they'd pretty much have to quit sc2 and and go to school or get a job. One in game non the fly random mistake because they weren't really thinking of it as a real event and ruin their lives? They train like 12 hours a day and dedicate their lives to sc2, you ban them for a year, they can't guarantee to still be competitive then and be able to sustain themselves, they'd have to quit. Honestly a year from now, Nestea will probably be out of the competitive scene and jaedong will be crushing everybody. | ||
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farnham
1378 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:00 Zerguru wrote: You realize that would completely ruin their lives. They don't make enough money, they'd pretty much have to quit sc2 and and go to school or get a job. One in game non the fly random mistake because they weren't really thinking of it as a real event and ruin their lives? They train like 12 hours a day and dedicate their lives to sc2, you ban them for a year, they can't guarantee to still be competitive then and be able to sustain themselves, they'd have to quit. they have plenty of other ways to live their lives. however competing in a tournament after matchfixing is just not acceptable for anyone in the scene that earned their spot through honest means. On November 17 2011 15:00 Zerguru wrote: Honestly a year from now, Nestea will probably be out of the competitive scene and jaedong will be crushing everybody. 1. i doubt it. jaedong will probably still play scbw 2. what does this have to do with anything about slayers coca | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:00 Zerguru wrote: You realize that would completely ruin their lives. They don't make enough money, they'd pretty much have to quit sc2 and and go to school or get a job. One in game non the fly random mistake because they weren't really thinking of it as a real event and ruin their lives? They train like 12 hours a day and dedicate their lives to sc2, you ban them for a year, they can't guarantee to still be competitive then and be able to sustain themselves, they'd have to quit. Honestly a year from now, Nestea will probably be out of the competitive scene and jaedong will be crushing everybody. They aren't banned for a year. They are banned from playing until deemed fit to resume, whenever that is. Guess being a progamer isn't cut out for just about anyone. Surprise! | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
Also, The White-Ra incident was nothing like this. IIRC, in that case White-Ra was late to his first game (there may have been a good reason, but i forget) so his opponent was given the walkover for game 1. Up 1 game in the series but wanting a straight up series against White-Ra his opponent lost/gave up game 2, and they played straight up in game 3. The guy wanted White-Ra to have the same chance at winning the series for the sake of sportsmanship. White-Ra didn't ask him to, he did it for the sake of a fair series. So where exactly is the correlation to this case where Byun, who lost game 1 straight up, and is about to lose game 2 straight up, asks his friend to quit so they can play a third match? Everything was fair and even from the get go, nothing warranted Coca taking this action. As long as i understood the punishment correctly and it only lasts till the end of the year and he is then given a fair chance to start over again then i see no problems. | ||
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Triarier
Austria155 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:43 jinorazi wrote: because sometimes, honor matters more than glory. May be it should, but I don't think it does. If Coca would have won this GSL, no one would talk about the game against Byun anymore. He had to be punished, because they talked about it in the replay imho. If they just talked over Skype and not SC2, so none can see it, it would have been no problem. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:13 Spacekyod wrote: Next round is Protoss. Coca plays all-Terran group in the GSL. Byun is Terran. Coca said in chat he only plays this to practice vs Terran, because all his Terran teammates were busy at another event.Coca wanted a third game for practice!? Um.. What!?! He's advancing to the next round, boom more "practice". | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:13 Spacekyod wrote: I definitely agree this is not match fixing, but it was byun that asked for the 3rd game. From your POV Coca wanted a third game for practice!? Um.. What!?! He's advancing to the next round, boom more "practice". After he wins the series him and Byun can go practice all they want. Also, The White-Ra incident was nothing like this. IIRC, in that case White-Ra was late to his first game (there may have been a good reason, but i forget) so his opponent was given the walkover for game 1. Up 1 game in the series but wanting a straight up series against White-Ra his opponent lost/gave up game 2, and they played straight up in game 3. The guy wanted White-Ra to have the same chance at winning the series for the sake of sportsmanship. White-Ra didn't ask him to, he did it for the sake of a fair series. So where exactly is the correlation to this case where Byun, who lost game 1 straight up, and is about to lose game 2 straight up, asks his friend to quit so they can play a third match? Everything was fair and even from the get go, nothing warranted Coca taking this action. As long as i understood the punishment correctly and it only lasts till the end of the year and he is then given a fair chance to start over again then i see no problems. Not quite on the white-ra case. Whitera was dq'd 2-0, then ran into the same player in the loser's bracket. Due to MLG's extended series rule, he started a bo7 down 0-2 against his opponent. A lot of players argue against the validity of the extended series rule, and in this case, the two players had never actually played in the first place. Throwing the games was a form of resetting a bo3 and defying the extended series advantage that was given as a technicality. Similar cases, but there are some distinctions to be drawn, specifically with the nature of the extended series rule advantaging one player after a dq. | ||
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chiwawa
330 Posts
If SlayerS would have done nothing against Coca that would have reflected on them poorly. Even though this might seem harsh it could have been a lot worse. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
On November 17 2011 10:16 Uninstall wrote: Because the teams are not their parents, and because we are discussing how wrong it is.  thats right, the teams are their 'employer' which they sign a contract with if Coca doesnt like the punishment than he can easily left SlayerS but the fact that he didnt meant that he knows that he cocked up and deserve the punishment given | ||
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tehplank
977 Posts
On November 17 2011 14:47 GreEny K wrote: You mentioned something similar happening with White-Ra, what was that all about? I didn't hear anything about that. I believe he was referring to the Gimix incident where ePgimix dropped 2 sets to WhiteRa in an MLG in order to make it a best of 3 instead of him having a 2-0 lead due to the extended series rule. | ||
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NipponBanzai
Canada518 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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