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CocA Incident Handled Correctly? - Page 10
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
Also, I think part of this reaction from GOM and Slayers has to do with the matchfixing scandal from a while ago. There was a huge blowup with that, with many players being fined and (if I remember correctly) some even receiving jail time. If there's one way to kill SC2 in Korea before it even gets started, and the reputation of Slayers as a team, it's to start another one of those scandals before the game is even two years old. | ||
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Hattori_Hanzo
Singapore1229 Posts
On November 17 2011 13:36 ZorBa.G wrote: What, is this guy trolling? If you were seriously someone looking to associate your company with the community, you wouldn't get involved with these types of threads. It's very unprofessional. However, if your serious. This is actually a loss since nothing big ever happens on the SEA server..... like ever.... lol. My sole reason for involving myself in these threads is to steer the community in a direction that is palatable to the general public. My posts reflect that. When a member of VP Gamers goes on a thread such as this one to tell a potential organiser he is not welcome in addition to the responses in the poll results of both this and the "SlayerSCoca forfeits Code S" thread, it is not possible in this climate to organise an event of the caliber I was planning. To seek corporate sponsorship for an event that may be thrown by the participants colluding among themselves to split the prize money when stakeholders expect otherwise is wrong. The perception of "How can playing computer games be a sport?" is changed because of the argument, "Because they practice long and hard to give their best every game regardless of the prize or opponent." How am I to answer my sponsors when they see SlayerSCoca's chat: "I'll let you win."? Say he's just a kid? That's he's just practicing? That it is good he's doing it openly? It is only match fixing if he planned it before the start of the event/no money was involved? The prize is too small to play seriously? (Some of the arguments posted) Let us not forget also, the recent PPSL fiasco. But as long as the community puts the needs of the player above the sport (eSports), I cannot see myself producing an event at this present time given the current conditions. Edit: Missing stuff. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Panzerfaust7
United States38 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:19 Amlitzer wrote: I really wish they would have subbed someone to play in CocA's place, or at least let him play his games but have them count as losses even if he wins. As a paying GSL subscriber I'm really disappointed by the course of action taken by GOM. The player cheats, and it's the customer that pays the price for it. Meh, give them a break. This happened two days before his scheduled match. They probably don't have a fair solution for replacements this quick. | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:25 Oktyabr wrote: Meh, give them a break. This happened two days before his scheduled match. They probably don't have a fair solution for replacements this quick. Well it's not like I'm paying them to sit on their asses all day. The fact that they did not already have a plan in place for a situation like this just speaks of incompetence and laziness. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
On November 17 2011 15:18 Triarier wrote: May be it should, but I don't think it does. If Coca would have won this GSL, no one would talk about the game against Byun anymore. He had to be punished, because they talked about it in the replay imho. If they just talked over Skype and not SC2, so none can see it, it would have been no problem. isn't that like, "its only bad if caught"? i assume you're talking about the attention this news is getting, not whether or not it is acceptable. | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
This is not correct.. The winner of the tournament was rewarded with a code a spot in the GSL. it so happens that CoCa is in Code S while his teammate and opponent was only in code b. So if you look at like that CoCa would not need to win a Code A spot, but with Byun being in Code B he would! so when CoCa throws the game it looks like he is trying to help a teammate get into code a. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:29 Amlitzer wrote: Well it's not like I'm paying them to sit on their asses all day. The fact that they did not already have a plan in place for a situation like this just speaks of incompetence and laziness. I am guessing you already had a plan, then? Can you come up with a plan? How can you fairly give somebody a code s slot? Who should get it? | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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FlyingLigerz
United States163 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
This isn't a big deal at all, Coca had nothing to win, Byun had everything to win and they are friends. I would have done the same thing as Coca. Don't think pro players are saints please, almost all progamers have split pricepools or predetermined outcomes of matches if there was a lot on stake for 1 guy and almost nothing for the other. Even guys like Grubby and ToD shared pricepools in WC3. It's normal. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:29 Amlitzer wrote: Well it's not like I'm paying them to sit on their asses all day. The fact that they did not already have a plan in place for a situation like this just speaks of incompetence and laziness. I would love to see what you would do in their shoes. GOM doesn't exactly have a lot of choices. Handing out Ro16 seats is not something that can be done lightly | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
On November 17 2011 16:06 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: My sole reason for involving myself in these threads is to steer the community in a direction that is palatable to the general public. My posts reflect that. When a member of VP Gamers goes on a thread such as this one to tell a potential organiser he is not welcome in addition to the responses in the poll results of both this and the "SlayerSCoca forfeits Code S" thread, it is not possible in this climate to organise an event of the caliber I was planning. To seek corporate sponsorship for an event that may be thrown by the participants colluding among themselves to split the prize money when stakeholders expect otherwise is wrong. The perception of "How can playing computer games be a sport?" is changed because of the argument, "Because they practice long and hard to give their best every game regardless of the prize or opponent." How am I to answer my sponsors when they see SlayerSCoca's chat: "I'll let you win."? Say he's just a kid? That's he's just practicing? That it is good he's doing it openly? It is only match fixing if he planned it before the start of the event/no money was involved? The prize is too small to play seriously? (Some of the arguments posted) Let us not forget also, the recent PPSL fiasco. But as long as the community puts the needs of the player above the sport (eSports), I cannot see myself producing an event at this present time given the current conditions. Edit: Missing stuff. I'm sorry buddy, you could be telling the truth. But for some reason I just do not believe you. Also, I always thought what goes on within the competition shouldn't even bother sponsors. After all, it's just business. As long as there is exposure, that is all what counts. It's all about making money, if you are looking into sponsoring e-sports, SC2 is your best bet. No other game even comes close to what Starcraft has achieved. Please don't say it's not just about making money, because if it wasn't..... we would see bronze players sponsored. Why don't we see bronze players sponsored? Because no one cares about them and cbf watching their streams (no exposure for sponsors). Now, for a business man like you to let a little hiccup like this deter you away from providing an investment. You obviously can not see the bigger picture. For 1 comment from a pro gamer and a small hiccup like this dilemma to deter you away..... it's kinda weak. I thought someone of your caliber would be smart enough to realise that this is only the minority, you need to open up your eyes to see how big the SC2 community really is. I'm quiet disappointed that something so small can deter you away, really. | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
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SCPlato
United States249 Posts
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