Can you imagine if something similar had happened in Football? Either kind, or Hockey for the Canadians? There would have been riots at the very least. And likely lifetime bans from the sport for all involved. The validity of the competition can't be cast into doubt, or the whole thing falls apart. I hope Coca is able to recover from what appears to be basically a bonehead honest mistake. But a professional should understand their position better.

ZorBa.G

Australia279 Posts

November 17 2011 04:36 GMT

#142

On November 17 2011 12:36 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:

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I see that you are a progamer yourself.

Therefore your words carry some weight in this community.
I have also taken into account of posters from Singapore and their opinion on this incident.

I have thus decided to cancel business plans for a US$120,000 Winner-take-all tournament operating out of Singapore on Blizzard's SEA server due to the lack of professionalism by both the professional community and their fan base.

Edit: Grammar.

What, is this guy trolling? If you were seriously someone looking to associate your company with the community, you wouldn't get involved with these types of threads. It's very unprofessional.

However, if your serious. This is actually a loss since nothing big ever happens on the SEA server..... like ever....

lol.

how

United States538 Posts

November 17 2011 04:39 GMT

#143

While I do think the punishment was a lot for such a small thing, I almost think the punishment was more just to show to others that this is not something to be taken lightly. Just as in any sport, even something small has to been dealt with harshly just to get the point across that this is not a place where you can fuck around and feel that nothing will happen.

Joseph123

Bulgaria1144 Posts

November 17 2011 04:49 GMT

#144

Actually I think he should be banned only from ESV not from GSL, but whatever.

Lord_J

Kenya1085 Posts

November 17 2011 04:50 GMT

#145

Openly forfeiting a match is not the same as match fixing. There wasn't any personal gain received in exchanged for losing. There wasn't any attempt to deceive the audience or tournament organizers. Coca wasn't even under any obligation to play the match; he could have simply said he was too busy to play and Byun would have received a walkover, as is very common in tournaments like this one. Nobody would have been facing any punishment in that case, and rightfully so.

What Coca did wrong was a matter of form, not substance. It's okay to forfeit a match in a tournament (provided that you haven't made a commitment to the tournament organizers to play regardless of your convenience), but the way to do it is not to play the match and decide, after having won, to leave the game. Nor should ESV TV have apparently found out about Coca's decision to forfeit by seeing him leave a game he was winning during their broadcast. For his poor handling of the situation, he should at the very least face some kind of formal reprimand, and I don't blame ESV TV at all if they want to ban him from their tournament for a while. However, the penalties Coca is facing beyond that strike me as disproportionate to his wrongdoing. I don't think they're outrageous, but I don't think they're appropriate, either.

Alver

United States177 Posts

November 17 2011 04:53 GMT

#146

while it was probably not planned match fixing, its too similar to treat it like nothing. if tournament games arent 100% about the best person winning it makes it less of a sport and less interesting overall.

while the punishment seems slightly harsh, i dont wanna see any players in code s who dont try their hardest to win.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

November 17 2011 04:54 GMT

#147

Definitely not handled correctly. Too harsh. Too bad for him slayers cares far more about protecting their image/reputation than his silly life/career.

TheBomb

237 Posts

November 17 2011 04:58 GMT

#148

Are you kidding me? This is trivial? So what about the Code S spot that is on the line? Of course its match fixing when there is Code S spot on the line.

Its stupid and immature and should be punished, otherwise what stops things like Savior match fixing in proleague?

AndreiDaGiant

United States394 Posts

November 17 2011 04:59 GMT

#149

i think its up to slayers to decide what is best... i personally feel its a little harsh but i dont know anything about how good a team member he was. also slayers is trying to make the best players and im sure there are tons of players that would just love to be on team slayers that play by the rules... feel bad though

SniXSniPe

United States1938 Posts

November 17 2011 05:00 GMT

#150

He's losing several thousands of dollars in income. We don't even know if he'll be able to get entirely back into Code S, and from this season alone is losing out on $1850+ dollars (top 16 Code S get this) guaranteed.

That's pretty fucking stupid for something that really did not affect him nor the matches much at all. Hell, Byun got knocked out by Creator the following round, and CoCa had nothing to gain by playing more anyways.

On November 17 2011 13:58 TheBomb wrote:
Are you kidding me? This is trivial? So what about the Code S spot that is on the line? Of course its match fixing when there is Code S spot on the line.

Its stupid and immature and should be punished, otherwise what stops things like Savior match fixing in proleague?

It was a Code A spot, and it was only a QUALIFIER, and Byun still got knocked out by CreatorPrime.

ch33psh33p

7650 Posts

November 17 2011 05:00 GMT

#151

LOL.

Dont post stupid shit when you have no fucking clue whats going on.

Orcasgt24

Canada3238 Posts

November 17 2011 05:00 GMT

#152

I think SlayerS, ESVW and GOMTV all did the appropirate thing. They don't need to be harsher because they are putting the hurt on Coca and Byun's pocket book aswell.

Good job peeps!

Goibon

New Zealand8185 Posts

November 17 2011 05:02 GMT

#153

Without a true regulatory body there is no proper correct punishment possible. Thus a combination of GSL, SlayerS and ESV punishment makes the most sense.

I still view this as a minor mistake on the grand scale of potential wrongs a player can commit.

At the end of the day i feel it was harsh, but any less and you're asking multiple bodies to punish differently. It doesn't work, so what we got is the best we're going get under this regime so i'm fine with it. SC2 is still in the stone age on things like this.

johngalt90

United States357 Posts

November 17 2011 05:03 GMT

#154

On November 17 2011 14:00 ch33psh33p wrote:

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LOL.

Dont post stupid shit when you have no fucking clue whats going on.

either he doesnt know what the savior scandal was or he is too stupid to make the obvious distinction between this and savior either way he has no business posting on this topic

shawster

Canada2485 Posts

November 17 2011 05:04 GMT

#155

you guys are looking at it from the wrong angle

the incident hurts slayers, coca and byun. now the direct punishment on coca was arguably too hard for what it did to him. however you're fucking over your teams reputation hard by doing that. they raised you, made you a good player. slayers dished out punishment that they saw fit. honestly if coca was teamless and he did that he might have been suspended for a while, that's it. slayers in essesnce forced him to relinquish his code s spot for the sake of their team. some argue that reputation isn't as important as coca's career, that's up to you. but just know that this incident hurts slayers credibility and they can't let that happen.

SniXSniPe

United States1938 Posts

November 17 2011 05:13 GMT

#156

On November 17 2011 14:04 shawster wrote:
you guys are looking at it from the wrong angle

the incident hurts slayers, coca and byun. now the direct punishment on coca was arguably too hard for what it did to him. however you're fucking over your teams reputation hard by doing that. they raised you, made you a good player. slayers dished out punishment that they saw fit. honestly if coca was teamless and he did that he might have been suspended for a while, that's it. slayers in essesnce forced him to relinquish his code s spot for the sake of their team. some argue that reputation isn't as important as coca's career, that's up to you. but just know that this incident hurts slayers credibility and they can't let that happen.

CoCa was already a good player before joining SlayerS.

RaLakedaimon

United States1564 Posts

November 17 2011 05:23 GMT

#157

Good that there punished for doing this in a real tournament (regardless of size/prestige) but I think that they laid the hammer down a bit too strong, since there just kids. What happened with WhiteRa was a bit different though and it wasn't something everyone was watching, if it had been on the main stage or on screen people would have possibly been a bit peeved by it. Who knows...

Modernist

United States89 Posts

November 17 2011 05:24 GMT

#158

Zerguru

31 Posts

November 17 2011 05:29 GMT

#159

This is trash, Coca has worked his ass off and is the best zerg player in the world(yea he's better than Nestea). he should get a $5 fine and be done with it so he can win gsl.

jinorazi

Korea (South)4948 Posts

November 17 2011 05:30 GMT

#160

punishment too harsh(but really depends on how they handle it, demotion to team b and out of the house only tell half the story) but it is absolutely ridiculous to defend him as so many of you guys are doing with:
"more practice. its done all the time. he was only trying to help a friend. it was only a mistake. tournament didnt matter much, etc." its nothing but pitiful excuses.

my korean family does not take excuses. what is done is done, take responsibility for it and do what needs to be done.

maybe the punishment is too harsh but man up, go through it and come back stronger. this is what boxer wants i'm sure and that is why such harsh punishment was put down. (if he does breakdown, it only shows his weakness. if coca is indeed a character that would take this negatively and think of leaving the team, he definitely does not belong with slayers)

dont be such cry babies, guys.