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phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
November 16 2011 19:15 GMT
#181
At least got a goal now to hit on EU server. 700 points and counting to go, sadly never get much done this season but now got a goal :D.
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
November 16 2011 19:17 GMT
#182
this is really good info, gives us something to aim for
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary26004 Posts
November 16 2011 19:18 GMT
#183
On November 16 2011 19:42 ZiegFeld wrote:
Read my sig...

I don't know how you could think this is acceptable. Change your sig immediately.
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lynx.oblige
Profile Joined August 2009
Sierra Leone2268 Posts
November 16 2011 19:27 GMT
#184
Was it always like this or did this change when Season length changed?
Everyone needs a nemesis.
yeint
Profile Joined May 2011
Estonia2329 Posts
November 16 2011 19:30 GMT
#185
On November 17 2011 04:27 lynx.oblige wrote:
Was it always like this or did this change when Season length changed?


It was always like this. Nothing at all has changed.

Obviously the point amounts were different when seasons were longer (more bonus pool).

Nothing has changed about promotions. Blizzard is simply giving you approximate ladder scores for promotion-ready MMR.
Not supporting teams who take robber baron money.
DjSpectre
Profile Joined February 2011
United States62 Posts
November 16 2011 19:33 GMT
#186
I will admit that this now takes the veil off promotions which is kinda nice. I know there is already a thread around here that shows how to calculate what your hidden MMR is (or approximate it), so this sorta completes that picture.

Still makes you wonder how the hell you get to 800 points in a two month period unless you are literally playing every day and, of course, winning over 50% of your games to compensate for not having any bonus pool during that time.
Consider that before you were alive, you were dead. After your life you will be dead. We spend more time being dead than alive. So don't waste your life.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
November 16 2011 19:37 GMT
#187
On November 17 2011 04:33 DjSpectre wrote:
Still makes you wonder how the hell you get to 800 points in a two month period unless you are literally playing every day and, of course, winning over 50% of your games to compensate for not having any bonus pool during that time.


Remember that a top-tier Diamond player would have a few hundred fewer points to earn to get promoted than a bottom-tier Diamond player. These numbers are probably a worst-case scenario (because of course Blizzard doesn't want people showing up saying "OMG I GOT 1000 POINTS AND DIDN'T GET PROMOTED")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
Excalibur_Z
Profile Joined October 2002
United States12265 Posts
November 16 2011 20:16 GMT
#188
On November 17 2011 04:12 Lysenko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 02:21 Excalibur_Z wrote:
- If your win ratio is very high, then your MMR is rising faster than your points and a promotion will happen more quickly.


A little off-topic, but I found this comment interesting.

What I personally have noticed is that when I have the occasional several-game losing streak, after a while my opponents will be listed as "slightly favored." This suggests to me that my point score is dropping faster than my MMR. Wouldn't a winning streak result in points rising faster than MMR?


I think that depending on the length of the streak and how fast uncertainty changes, changes in MMR happen faster or slower depending on how stable you've been in the past. For a brand new player with high uncertainty, MMR would certainly move much faster than points.
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OptimusYale
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)1005 Posts
November 17 2011 03:38 GMT
#189
now I have motivation to play ^^

Its good knowing what you toughly have to aim for....time to start the grinds before I go traveling ^^ ^^
Kybuar
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
November 17 2011 07:43 GMT
#190
I know there are a lot of people here that say do not worry about what league you or your opponents are in, because it just you will just play people who are evenly matched. The problem with that statement for me is I know I can play better then people in my league, which is platinum, and when I do not face diamond player I get a little angry. That is just me knowing I am not playing at my regular skill level. It also forces me to want to be better, and if you just accept that you will just be playing people in X league because you are in X league, that is just selling yourself short. That is what I think when I am playing ladder.
Lysenko
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Iceland2128 Posts
November 17 2011 08:07 GMT
#191
On November 17 2011 16:43 Kybuar wrote:
The problem with that statement for me is I know I can play better then people in my league, which is platinum, and when I do not face diamond player I get a little angry


If you want to improve, that's exactly the wrong way to think about it. Instead you should be asking: "If I'm so sure what I ought to be doing, why am I in platinum, and what are the diamond players doing that I'm not?"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
November 17 2011 08:27 GMT
#192
one year into the game Blizz finally deemed it fine to let people know a tiny bit more how the leagues work - considering that in warcraft 3 you saw exactly how far you are from promotion/demotion I remain underwhelmed, tbh
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Cocoabean
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada90 Posts
November 17 2011 08:31 GMT
#193
I like this by Blizzard. I know leagues and promotions really shouldn't be my priority vs actually improving, but it gives me much more incentive to actually ladder. There's actually a tangible target to achieve now, instead of randomly guessing if I'm close or not based on who I win/lose against.
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
November 17 2011 10:03 GMT
#194
yeh its nice to see that they do reward mass gaming and winning.

237 poiints now so 533 points to get back to Diamond and keep up the winning record!!!
Live and Let Die!
mki
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Poland882 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-17 10:08:28
November 17 2011 10:07 GMT
#195
It's shocking how misinterpreted this has become. Nothing has changed in the promotion process. It's still all about MMR and who you are winning against and how much you're winning. The numbers are estimates just so people stop asking and probably to give people a clear goal.

If you have that 800 points or whatever it may be, odds are you're dominating your league so you're going to be moved up. That's pretty much all it means...

They just really explained the promotion process in a different way than talking about MMR which was like gibberish to some people.
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Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
November 17 2011 17:40 GMT
#196
Today I just got promoted to Diamond after being 400 point plat, so as season have been going about 4 weeks and there is 4 weeks left I can see this chart being pretty accurate about promotions
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cactusjack914
Profile Joined March 2011
United States183 Posts
November 17 2011 17:48 GMT
#197
never understood why people were so confused about how promotion works. you are never going to have 2,000 points and be in diamond still, i would hope.
"starcraft isn't a hobby, its a lifestyle."
leBIGcrab
Profile Joined February 2011
France313 Posts
November 17 2011 17:56 GMT
#198
This is plain useless... If you get this amount of points you'll be promoted anyways because it means that you have at least a 60% wlr... I can't see why people overhype this. Blizzard just told you the evidence: You have to win to get promoted. dur dur dur
Roynalf
Profile Joined August 2011
Finland886 Posts
November 17 2011 18:24 GMT
#199
ofc its obvious that you need to win most of your games to get promoted, blizzard did just all the math so you get to know the moment where you are gona get promotion
(V) (;,,;) (V) Woopwoopwoopwoop
Nerski
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1095 Posts
November 17 2011 18:36 GMT
#200
On November 17 2011 02:21 Excalibur_Z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2011 00:03 Nerski wrote:
Promotions based on point totals seems silly at best, no idea why the hidden MMR wouldn't be the only factor instead. Getting to X ladder points is a lot more about grinding then actual skill.

Do you need to win more then you lose sure, but based on that post having 900 points in a diamond league to go to masters would seem to have more emphasis then if someone is at 500 points with a higher win % but not that 900 point mark. I'm sure you can / do get promoted if you win some silly % of your games...but for everyone else having an arbitrary point mark seems like a bad system.

EX. Player A and Player B...Both players are trying to go from diamond to masters this season. Player A and B are both college students. If player A plays player B player A wins 65% of the time.

Player A works and goes to school regularly and normally only has enough time to play to get around 650 points per season. Despite this fact player A wins about 58% of their ladder games games.

Player B doesn't work, and skips classes and homework a lot. Player B plays a ton and gets to around 950 points this season. Player B however only wins about 52% of their ladder games.

Seasons end comes and Player B gets promoted and Player A does not....now tell me how that is good :/


You're misinterpreting or not reading thoroughly enough. These correspond to maximum values -- that is, the point (but also MMR) difference between the lowest division tier of one league and the lowest division tier of the next-highest league.

- If you're in a league with 3 tiers and you happen to be in the highest tier, you will only need to earn 1/3 of the necessary points listed at most.
- If your win ratio is very high, then your MMR is rising faster than your points and a promotion will happen more quickly.
- These values include bonus pool over the entire season, you need to take into account the amount of adjusted points which is what really matters.

Skill dictates promotion eligibility and it always has. Nothing changed internally as a result of these tables being published.


After taking the time to read through blizzards post it's apparent the points are only a relative guideline. So your right nothing has changed, I do think blizzard might be opening themselves up to a can of worms though if by seasons end there are players at or past point thresholds that don't get promoted and get upset because they just grind a lot and don't actually win a lot.
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