It was always like this. Nothing at all has changed.

Obviously the point amounts were different when seasons were longer (more bonus pool).

Nothing has changed about promotions. Blizzard is simply giving you approximate ladder scores for promotion-ready MMR.

DjSpectre

United States62 Posts

November 16 2011 19:33 GMT

#186

I will admit that this now takes the veil off promotions which is kinda nice. I know there is already a thread around here that shows how to calculate what your hidden MMR is (or approximate it), so this sorta completes that picture.

Still makes you wonder how the hell you get to 800 points in a two month period unless you are literally playing every day and, of course, winning over 50% of your games to compensate for not having any bonus pool during that time.

Lysenko

Iceland2128 Posts

November 16 2011 19:37 GMT

#187

On November 17 2011 04:33 DjSpectre wrote:
Still makes you wonder how the hell you get to 800 points in a two month period unless you are literally playing every day and, of course, winning over 50% of your games to compensate for not having any bonus pool during that time.

Remember that a top-tier Diamond player would have a few hundred fewer points to earn to get promoted than a bottom-tier Diamond player. These numbers are probably a worst-case scenario (because of course Blizzard doesn't want people showing up saying "OMG I GOT 1000 POINTS AND DIDN'T GET PROMOTED")

Excalibur_Z

United States12248 Posts

November 16 2011 20:16 GMT

#188

On November 17 2011 04:12 Lysenko wrote:

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A little off-topic, but I found this comment interesting.

What I personally have noticed is that when I have the occasional several-game losing streak, after a while my opponents will be listed as "slightly favored." This suggests to me that my point score is dropping faster than my MMR. Wouldn't a winning streak result in points rising faster than MMR?

I think that depending on the length of the streak and how fast uncertainty changes, changes in MMR happen faster or slower depending on how stable you've been in the past. For a brand new player with high uncertainty, MMR would certainly move much faster than points.

OptimusYale

Korea (South)1005 Posts

November 17 2011 03:38 GMT

#189

now I have motivation to play ^^

Its good knowing what you toughly have to aim for....time to start the grinds before I go traveling ^^ ^^

Kybuar

United States93 Posts

November 17 2011 07:43 GMT

#190

I know there are a lot of people here that say do not worry about what league you or your opponents are in, because it just you will just play people who are evenly matched. The problem with that statement for me is I know I can play better then people in my league, which is platinum, and when I do not face diamond player I get a little angry. That is just me knowing I am not playing at my regular skill level. It also forces me to want to be better, and if you just accept that you will just be playing people in X league because you are in X league, that is just selling yourself short. That is what I think when I am playing ladder.

Lysenko

Iceland2128 Posts

November 17 2011 08:07 GMT

#191

On November 17 2011 16:43 Kybuar wrote:
The problem with that statement for me is I know I can play better then people in my league, which is platinum, and when I do not face diamond player I get a little angry

If you want to improve, that's exactly the wrong way to think about it. Instead you should be asking: "If I'm so sure what I ought to be doing, why am I in platinum, and what are the diamond players doing that I'm not?"

sleepingdog

Austria6145 Posts

November 17 2011 08:27 GMT

#192

one year into the game Blizz finally deemed it fine to let people know a tiny bit more how the leagues work - considering that in warcraft 3 you saw exactly how far you are from promotion/demotion I remain underwhelmed, tbh

Cocoabean

Canada90 Posts

November 17 2011 08:31 GMT

#193

I like this by Blizzard. I know leagues and promotions really shouldn't be my priority vs actually improving, but it gives me much more incentive to actually ladder. There's actually a tangible target to achieve now, instead of randomly guessing if I'm close or not based on who I win/lose against.

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

November 17 2011 10:03 GMT

#194

yeh its nice to see that they do reward mass gaming and winning.

237 poiints now so 533 points to get back to Diamond and keep up the winning record!!!

mki

Poland882 Posts

November 17 2011 10:07 GMT

#195

It's shocking how misinterpreted this has become. Nothing has changed in the promotion process. It's still all about MMR and who you are winning against and how much you're winning. The numbers are estimates just so people stop asking and probably to give people a clear goal.

If you have that 800 points or whatever it may be, odds are you're dominating your league so you're going to be moved up. That's pretty much all it means...

They just really explained the promotion process in a different way than talking about MMR which was like gibberish to some people.

Roynalf

Finland886 Posts

November 17 2011 17:40 GMT

#196

Today I just got promoted to Diamond after being 400 point plat, so as season have been going about 4 weeks and there is 4 weeks left I can see this chart being pretty accurate about promotions

cactusjack914

United States183 Posts

November 17 2011 17:48 GMT

#197

never understood why people were so confused about how promotion works. you are never going to have 2,000 points and be in diamond still, i would hope.

leBIGcrab

France313 Posts

November 17 2011 17:56 GMT

#198

This is plain useless... If you get this amount of points you'll be promoted anyways because it means that you have at least a 60% wlr... I can't see why people overhype this. Blizzard just told you the evidence: You have to win to get promoted. dur dur dur

Roynalf

Finland886 Posts

November 17 2011 18:24 GMT

#199

ofc its obvious that you need to win most of your games to get promoted, blizzard did just all the math so you get to know the moment where you are gona get promotion

Nerski

United States1095 Posts

November 17 2011 18:36 GMT

#200

On November 17 2011 02:21 Excalibur_Z wrote:

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You're misinterpreting or not reading thoroughly enough. These correspond to maximum values -- that is, the point (but also MMR) difference between the lowest division tier of one league and the lowest division tier of the next-highest league.

- If you're in a league with 3 tiers and you happen to be in the highest tier, you will only need to earn 1/3 of the necessary points listed at most.
- If your win ratio is very high, then your MMR is rising faster than your points and a promotion will happen more quickly.
- These values include bonus pool over the entire season, you need to take into account the amount of adjusted points which is what really matters.

Skill dictates promotion eligibility and it always has. Nothing changed internally as a result of these tables being published.

After taking the time to read through blizzards post it's apparent the points are only a relative guideline. So your right nothing has changed, I do think blizzard might be opening themselves up to a can of worms though if by seasons end there are players at or past point thresholds that don't get promoted and get upset because they just grind a lot and don't actually win a lot.