EPT[October] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 22
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 07 2011 22:49 radiantshadow92 wrote: these graphs are not worth looking at and stating anything about balance. Needs more games, and not just tourney results where metagame shifts are everything Hahahahahaha! Look at the first page: On November 07 2011 04:25 ZenithM wrote: Looking balanced to me. And even if it was not, there is not enough data to conclude anything. And stats don't mean anything. And you have to actually look at the gameplay and not the results to form an opinion on balance. And Terran players are just better. Edit: Oh yeah I forgot that one: The difference is actually not that huge guys! The scale of the Y-axis is exagerated! I think you should probably read some of the thread before posting in it. Or maybe you are just oblivious to sarcasm, have never seen one of these statistics threads again and happen to be 12 years old. TBH I think this post by ZenithM should be put in the OP of every one of these monthly graphs, just to stop all the original [/sarcasm] posting like radiantshadow92's. | ||
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mrafaeldie12
Brazil537 Posts
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zanmat0
188 Posts
On November 07 2011 17:00 MilesTeg wrote: No, it's just that your troll backfired. Now what did you learn? I leared that you don't know what trolling is, because I was being sarcastic, and that you should look up the proper definition of each term. Try googling "dictionary" or "urban dictionary." I think that will help. | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
On November 07 2011 22:56 mrafaeldie12 wrote: Ignore the bars and see the numbers,there's a 13% dissiparity in ZvP,that is not balanced.I'm a zerg player btw. The goal of the matchup is 50% winrate. Blizzard has stated that they operate with a 5% statistical margin (like many statistics studies does). The real "imbalance" thus happens when the winrate goes above 5%. In this way, we can say that with the error margin, the winrate goes about 1-2% in favor of the Zerg... Seems fine to me with all the metagame shifts recently. | ||
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iamke55
United States2806 Posts
On November 07 2011 23:56 Stiluz wrote: The goal of the matchup is 50% winrate. Blizzard has stated that they operate with a 5% statistical margin (like many statistics studies does). The real "imbalance" thus happens when the winrate goes above 5%. In this way, we can say that with the error margin, the winrate goes about 1-2% in favor of the Zerg... Seems fine to me with all the metagame shifts recently. Zerg is winning 29% more than Protoss in ZvP. Does that really look fine? | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:29 juicyjames wrote: Finally someone else points this out! After learning about statistics I have begun to look at graphs and polls more carefully for this kind thing, and am very surprised at how misleading these can be due to the Y-axis alone. In this case 5% is actually HUGE. | ||
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
I mean this is top level play, at bronze-masters (in Eu and NA) where 99 % of TL community are at, protoss got more win % than T for example. In masters + GM Z got 40 % win against T and P... I guess if you play in GM on korean server as P you can whine? | ||
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Ctuchik
Sweden91 Posts
On November 07 2011 21:45 tomatriedes wrote: It's not just one month, the win rates have been trending this way for months and with bigger sample sizes in previous months. Also, mirrors are not included in those numbers, so it's only 3 matchups. Total for October is around 1200 games. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:11 Pippi wrote: Interesting graphs, but what whould be more interesting is some data about whining. Why do people whine? I mean this is top level play, at bronze-masters (in Eu and NA) where 99 % of TL community are at, protoss got more win % than T for example. In masters + GM Z got 40 % win against T and P... I guess if you play in GM on korean server as P you can whine? Sure, you can't whine about the play at your level, but you sure can whine about how bad your favourite player/s is/are doing, and/or how few PvX matchups you get because there are so few successful P players, and/or how there are few interesting games in PvX because a strategy is broken. Just some examples. There are always reasons to whine, Pippi. | ||
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Lothargr
Greece32 Posts
Also historically in BW a >5% imbalance in winrates usually meant that the match up was clearly favouring one of the two sides. | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:11 Pippi wrote: Interesting graphs, but what whould be more interesting is some data about whining. Why do people whine? I mean this is top level play, at bronze-masters (in Eu and NA) where 99 % of TL community are at, protoss got more win % than T for example. In masters + GM Z got 40 % win against T and P... I guess if you play in GM on korean server as P you can whine? No you can't. Korea grandmaster: - Protoss: 39.5% (75) - Terran: 35.8% (68) - Zerg: 24.2% (46) | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On November 07 2011 18:09 karlkarlson wrote: Oh good grief, no it's actually not. No one that knows anything is claiming that it's balanced Again, please try to make your silly reasonless case to these pros: I know, oGsMC, IMMVP, Polt, TLO, Idra, Huk, et .al should just "suck it up, and L2P", right? What a joke your argument is. pathetic. Lol, a lot of these quotes don't even say that Terran is imba. Your just interpreting it like that. Their balance has nothing to do with your balanced. At your bronze level, the game is balanced. So please, stop spreading this bullshit that somehow, game imbalance effects you. | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:11 Pippi wrote: Interesting graphs, but what whould be more interesting is some data about whining. Why do people whine? I mean this is top level play, at bronze-masters (in Eu and NA) where 99 % of TL community are at, protoss got more win % than T for example. In masters + GM Z got 40 % win against T and P... I guess if you play in GM on korean server as P you can whine? ... If you play Protoss in general you are given your rights to whine | ||
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Holophonist
United States297 Posts
On November 07 2011 20:17 Sated wrote: Clearly not. Look at the graphs. The game should be balanced for the highest level of play, not scrubs like me. You're wrong. Almost everybody buying their product is a scrub. Also, at the highest levels of play, meta game counts for a lot more than how balanced the game is at the core. For instance, what if protoss players are doing poorly because playing protoss was easy as shit before people learned how to stop a lot of their gay stuff? Top players never had to innovate or think outside the box if every game could be won with either 4gate, 6gate or stargate play. This is true for terran as well except they're still the best because even if you figure out what they're doing, it's still hard to stop most of their junk. The bottom line is even if zerg starts to win, it's only because we've been forced to explore every single aspect of every different tech given to us. Seriously, what unit/strat hasn't zerg tried? Whereas you really don't see a lot of different stuff from protoss becuase you simply... don't need to. Well maybe now you do. maybe now you have to get creative and get a mothership or even carriers! or get really sick with your warp prism multitasking. | ||
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Pippi
Sweden540 Posts
On November 08 2011 00:16 SeaSwift wrote: Sure, you can't whine about the play at your level, but you sure can whine about how bad your favourite player/s is/are doing, and/or how few PvX matchups you get because there are so few successful P players, and/or how there are few interesting games in PvX because a strategy is broken. Just some examples. There are always reasons to whine, Pippi. Nice, now make a graph out of it please :D | ||
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galivet
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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