EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 33
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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padrin0
United Kingdom7 Posts
The Quake scene has had similar problems and its been like this for over a decade - surely this is one of the things that has to change! I am still waiting for one prize some 6 years later... an AMD CPU that would have been pretty epic had I got it back at the time.. though of course that pales in insignificance compared to the thousands of dollars that some players rely upon as its their living - its pretty shameful and sad that its unique to eSports  I still know people who play professional Quake and I have heard them complaining - as recent as a month or so ago - of prize money taking a long time, in a lot of cases over a year which is pretty diabolical tbh. | ||
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nOondn
564 Posts
,this hurt e-sport | ||
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
On November 01 2011 03:47 Teiwaz wrote: It amazes me that some people still don't get it that up to 90 days of waiting after the tourney finished is fucking usual... I lol'ed  Reminds me of Happy Gilmore To paraphrase: Happy: So when do i get paid? Tournament rep: checks will be sent out in 6-8 weeks Happy: no no no i need my money now, why cant i just have one of those big checks? For the rest of the movie he is given the big checks even when he places 30th+ Edit: On topic a bit more, I agree with the 90 days from tournament AIRING number. Having worked in AP for a few months I know that having AP at 60-90 days is common in the US, additionally i go with the tournament airing date because a lot of revenue for the tournament comes from the airing. | ||
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HotGore
Canada26 Posts
On November 01 2011 04:58 Sabin010 wrote: This is pretty fucked up. With out a contract I don't even know what kind of legal ground the players have to stand on. The only thing we can do is stand up to these scumbags as a community, and only support the time tested tournament organizers who have proven trust worthy in the past. It wouldn't be that hard. If they publicly announce a prize of X for 1st place, and they announce that you won first place I imagine that should be sufficient grounds for a law suit. Getting legal representation is another matter though. | ||
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myRZeth
Germany1047 Posts
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ishboh
United States954 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:05 HotGore wrote: It wouldn't be that hard. If they publicly announce a prize of X for 1st place, and they announce that you won first place I imagine that should be sufficient grounds for a law suit. Getting legal representation is another matter though. agreed with this guy, even if there is no legal papers or agreement, having those two qualifications seems like it could at least qualify for some sort of quasi-contract. if they use your identity to gain viewership and advertise their tournament...you should probably have good means for a lawsuit. It should be enough to threaten a lawsuit in most cases because the tournament organizers will probably rather pay out the prize than have to get lawyers themselves... | ||
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lowkontrast
United States855 Posts
Don't get me wrong. It's ridiculous that the prize money even has to be asked for, but isn't this what team managers are for? So that the players can just focus on playing the game and improving? | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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D.Devil
Germany227 Posts
On November 01 2011 04:41 Naniwa wrote: funny that you are talking since Your wc3 team Hoorai scammed me off 600 euros you piece of...... hi :o You know very well that I didn't handle the payments at hoorai and it wasn't my responsibility to take care of that. Also we always treated -and paiid- you well. But anyway, that's many years ago (and certainly hoorai was far from perfect).. tbh I don't even remember if you're right, but it may very well be. In any case: I'm sorry, dude. I just don't see why you even bring this up now as I don't feel like it's related to my post. (and I believe calling me a piece of shit isn't the way to go.) My point still stands: By creating blacklists and boycotting events, you only make things worse. This isn't the solution to this problem. Of course, something needs to be done about it, but I don't like that the majority of people here believes that you achieve that by punishing ESL, ESWC and others. | ||
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Fealthas
607 Posts
You guys should demand contracts promising to pay you if you win and sue if you dont get your money. | ||
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TheFear
United States55 Posts
Didn't realize how common this type of occurrence was/is. Hopefully the community comes up with some solid solutions to these sorts of issues soon. I could imagine that for monetary amounts that have been won it is even more tilting not to receive it. | ||
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G5
United States2920 Posts
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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Cruncharoo
United States136 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:10 D.Devil wrote: My point still stands: By creating blacklists and boycotting events, you only make things worse. This isn't the solution to this problem. Of course, something needs to be done about it, but I don't like that the majority of people here believes that you achieve that by punishing ESL, ESWC and others. I really fail to understand how boycotting a tournament that doesn't pay it's prizes is the wrong course of action. Either they start to pay their players in a timely manner that is agreed upon beforehand or people don't play their tournaments and continue to make them profits. Nothing will get an organizations attention quicker than threatening to take away their bottom line, in my opinion. | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
This is criminal and unjust. They probably do it because they know a progamer can't really afford lawyers and bringing them to court over it where as they as an organization can. They probably just hope the players will give up eventually and they don't have to pay anything, I bet it's worked too. Shameful. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:10 Fealthas wrote: This is really sad. You guys should demand contracts promising to pay you if you win and sue if you dont get your money. I don't think this is possible. For one, a tourney will simply not invite the players that would demand a contract. Secondly, the legal fees associated with writing a contract and taking an organization to court would far exceed the possible earnings of a tournament. The only plausible solution to combat this issue is to form some sort of players union and boycott tournaments that do not pay out. | ||
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TideRoll
United States106 Posts
Makes me think of that one commercial: | ||
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GiftPflanZe
Germany623 Posts
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Project Psycho
United Kingdom329 Posts
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