EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 35
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Sinok
Israel38 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4231 Posts
Its sad that this happens. 3months probably isnt much but I think we need to factor in the fact that players dont even know how long it will be...and by the looks of it, seems like at least more than a few tournaments take their sweet time to pay up. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:21 fyndor wrote: Yes this is how CCs, loans, and the govt work. The thing is we aren't talking about credit cards, loans, or governments are we? Someone else mention how long it takes for them to get paid for their govt contract work. I don't care. You are comparing apples to oranges. And yes, most economies around the world are failing right now. I personally think sponsors should pay money up front, but maybe it is not possible to find such sponsors. It's acceptable if a tournament has to wait out their 30 day payment cycle. Tournaments should be doing everything they need to prepare the payment just short of actually paying it during the period where they are waiting for sponsor reimbursement. Once they get the money there shouldn't be more than a weeks time frame to have the payment clear in their bank and to transfer the money to the player. If as tournament organizer you pick sponsors that don't pay out for months at at time, I don't blame the sponsor, I blame the tournament for not establishing reasonable time frames through contracts. If the sponsors pay out in a timely manner, but the tournament sits on the winnings in their bank accounts collecting on the interest, again it's the tournament to blame. "There's also nothing inherently wrong with a ponzie scheme." LOL. There is a lot wrong with ponzi schemes. Namely, the last people to invest/cash in lose everything even though they were promised the otherwise. I only mentioned ponzi schemes, because it is possible some of these tournaments are paying out past tournaments with current earnings and the winners of the last tournament will be left holding the bag. Hopefully none are run like this though. *sigh* At the risk of going WAY off topic, I'm going to defend my assertion about ponzi schemes. If you are aware that it is a ponzi scheme you can still make a lot of money. It's just a gamble to not be the last wave of investors. If you're not the last wave, you'll have guaranteed returns on your investment. Playing the ponzi game isn't any worse than playing the nickle slots. It's only bad when you don't tell anyone you're running a ponzi scheme. But that lie is the fault of the schemer, not the ponzi scheme itself. Even if Starcraft 2 tournaments are all ponzi schemes that can still be ok. It seems what the players want is to be kept informed so they can decide for themselves whether or not to attend a tournament and not feel tricked into attending. | ||
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rontol
71 Posts
after our beloved players exposed you only come the reasoning and such i would support to boycott those tourney who keep delaying payment for more than 3 months?? put them in public list... wtf man some ppl fly/walk/ride so far to join your tourney and yet it took more than 6 months to pay them? to sc2 pro-gamers, never afraid to put those list public.... why hide your hurt feelings even after they keeping mum for more than 6 months? un-responded email? un-answered call? owner ran away? sponsor lied? | ||
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ger.Electric
Germany157 Posts
Occupy the tournaments! | ||
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chaPeL
Germany33 Posts
lol, we received eps prizemoney exactly 2 years and 3 months after end of the season :D also the intel cpu's my team won in an esl tourney were sent nearly 1 year later, when they were worth like $80 and not the $360 they were worth at the time of the tourney... i heard so many lies from admins that money was sent and why they didn't sent money already, etc. .... so annoying. well, it's esport. you can't expect professionalism in this ^^ | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
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1Eris1
United States5797 Posts
Still, not acceptable imo | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
(*Glares at ESL*) | ||
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VillageBC
322 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:23 Naniwa wrote: you think i would have some fake grudge against you? for fck sake get real, you were co owner of the team so stop tossing away responsibility pay up or gtfo Yeah, I don't understand how unpaid debts disappear because someone else was in charge at the time. It is still an unpaid debt. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
Unless a chunk is paid upfront to the organizers of the events, tournaments usually have to wait several months until said money is paid out in full, and can be forwarded to the players appropriately. Having been both a player and part of tournament organization, it pains me to see such threads every time and the irrational outrage that ensues. | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:30 divito wrote: What people don't seem to understand is that the companies that are contacted, or are behind the events that take place, do not put aside the lump sum in most cases. They have monthly budgets, and their marketing dollars are allocated among many other things, such as advertising, or other promotions outside of gaming. Unless a chunk is paid upfront to the organizers of the events, tournaments usually have to wait several months until said money is paid out in full, and can be forwarded to the players appropriately. Having been both a player and part of tournament organization, it pains me to see such threads every time and the irrational outrage that ensues. Im sure it also pains the pro players that cant pay there rent becuase they still waiting for price winning after 6 months. Again why should the players care whatever the reason are for not getting payments in a reasonable timescale? | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:32 KobraKay wrote: Well at least this thread made people aware and looks like it also urged some orgs to pay up. Its sad that this happens. 3months probably isnt much but I think we need to factor in the fact that players dont even know how long it will be...and by the looks of it, seems like at least more than a few tournaments take their sweet time to pay up. Considering when they throw the tournament they should have the prize money so all they need to do is sign checks and mail them? Maybe back when i was renting in college i could tell my landlord 3 months late isn't much. | ||
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D.Devil
Germany227 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:23 Naniwa wrote: you think i would have some fake grudge against you? for fck sake get real, you were co owner of the team so stop tossing away responsibility pay up or gtfo Sorry, I didn't mean it like that - it came across wrong. It's just because I don't remember if it's due to the contract modification we agreed upon or your last salaries... but it doesn't really matter, I believe you, really. Like I said: sorry. I hope you agree with me that we at least paid most of your money. It's not like we just "scammed" you. Anyway, I'm honestly glad to see you're doing well in SC2. Best of luck, man. | ||
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mark05
Canada807 Posts
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:54 eXigent. wrote: I personally would seek legal methods regarding the bigger sums of money. Threatening to take these companies to court in a case where you will 100% win, they will have no choice other than pay you now, or risk going to court and damaging their companies name. I feel as though they think they can push gamers around because we do not have anyone backing us legally. I would most certainly persue that route if someone owed me 2000 euros. They have big lawyers and can delay a ton, the amount of time you'd have to spend dealing with the bureaucracy could be better spent. Threatening a lawsuit is definitely the way to go. | ||
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
On November 01 2011 05:38 D.Devil wrote: Sorry, I didn't mean it like that - it came across wrong. It's just because I don't remember if it's due to the contract modification we agreed upon or your last salaries... but it doesn't really matter, I believe you, really. Like I said: sorry. I hope you agree with me that we at least paid most of your money. It's not like we just "scammed" you. Anyway, I'm honestly glad to see you're doing well in SC2. Best of luck, man. thanks friend!!!! i hope your happy with my 600 euro that you never gave me!!!! i dont know what you would call witholding money but i would call it scamming | ||
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