EPTOn October 31 2011 10:07 DarkRise wrote:
so shredder + siege tanks + bunker?
Tell me how we gonna break this lol
so shredder + siege tanks + bunker?
Tell me how we gonna break this lol
Broodlords.
The Powert of the Shredder - Drops and Defense vid - Page 6
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
Broodlords. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
On October 31 2011 10:36 Najda wrote: Actually I was really worried about the shredder but now having seen the video it's not too scary anymore. It looks really easy to just pull the drones away and defend with your queen(s) alone. Exactly. Drops could be a problem for noobs, but any decent player will pull workers away kill the shredders without too many problems. A medivac full of marines seems more dangerous than shredders, surely? The shredder is merely a defensive unit imo. Even then it will be easily taken out unless it is supported e.g. with seige tanks. | ||
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CaptainCharisma
New Zealand808 Posts
Swarm Host? Viper? | ||
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razy
Russian Federation899 Posts
or just protoss | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
don't they already have a unit to control space? | ||
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DeltaX
United States287 Posts
If blizzard got desperate they could prevent shredders from getting put in medicacs, but with some sort of warning it should be fine. I see 8 marines as doing much more damage personally. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On October 31 2011 10:54 DeltaX wrote: I half expect some small (1 damage) pulse when they start to burrow so that people can pull their drones in time. 1 spine would clean that up quite fast. If blizzard got desperate they could prevent shredders from getting put in medicacs, but with some sort of warning it should be fine. "Shredder deployed to the field" like they do for nukes and nyduses? ;D oh and shredders should beep very very loud to opponents when near enemy buildings :DDDDDD | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
It's a step in the right direction, even if it does cause a lot of whine. As long as P and Z have units which are just as overpowered in ways that don't directly counter each other, there shouldn't be a problem. The viper might be the zerg's super powered unit, and fungals/cloud will certainly require control and not unit comp to counter, but what is it for protoss? Along that line of thought, I'd really be interested in seeing colossi get a massive damage buff, and a collision size such that they cannot clump on top of stalkers/other colossi. I'd love to at least see them experiment a little more with ideas like this on the PTR or in the beta. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
I still hope the Shredder gets removed though. It seems like a pretty shit idea for a unit and that won't get much use outside of turtling and stupid gimmicky plays. Its just a super boring unit imo and, like many have complained about (complaining about the concept is fine, balance complaining is just stupid, I doubt the game is even at a stage where its being balanced) is that Terran just don't need it as a unit, there is a pretty large overlap between it and other units. At most I'd want it implemented as some sort of upgrade to turrets, but I don't really like that idea either because it would make ling runbys less powerful. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
lol the price reminded me of hellion, 100mineral with 2hit aoe can roast so many drones^^ if the price and aoe remained the same, i dont think that i will buy HotS lol not that i really whine, i mean the game is not even out yet nobody can tells what will the final product looks like but i am just THAT sick of blizzard's way in giving terran too many cost effective units. speaking of which, i bet a shredder can 1v1 kill an ultra(300min/200gas) lol | ||
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Imalengrat
Australia365 Posts
Mini Hydralisks look awesome! | ||
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SolidZeal
United States393 Posts
On October 31 2011 10:30 FabledIntegral wrote: 1. How does creep counter it? I can clearly burrow on creep... 2. Sure, a spine can kill it, but not before all your drones are dead if you don't see it in time T_T. Of course, that's like most harass, but now you're forced to build static defense?! Which limits your offensive capabilities, etc. Forcing static defense is damage in and of itself. Yeah, I'm not saying that creep stops it, but it sure as hell can't stop creep tumors or spine crawlers. you don't have to build static D to stop a shredder drop, but a spine crawler WILL fight it off. You can use just units to kill a Shredder drop no problem. If you're slow on the draw it will force off timing time and if you suck it up, it will kill all your workers. This doesn't look much different than a marine drop in effectiveness. The reason i bring up creep is that if a terran is heavily utilizing shredders to zone the map, you can take zones back using creep. If he brings in units to clear creep the shredder become vulnerable, or like I described, you can take them out later in the game with spine crawlers. Late game spine crawlers are.....well if you don't have them, then why the hell not? | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
Drop shredder on zerg main ramp, deploy, drop main mineral line. No zerglings/banelings are going to stop this drop. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
On October 31 2011 10:32 Eps wrote: This just shows the extremes of what can happen for an inadequately prepared opponent. 1 Spine shuts this down so hard. There's no way it'll have 7 range. With the time it takes to set up, workers can easily run away. It looks like 2 Queens even without tranfuse will be able to take it down easily. Vid shows about 3-sec set up time. Not to mention with the Viper's pull ability, I can see it dragging away somewhere safe unless it can't be targeted. If I recall correctly, it can't even be deployed near Terran's own units or else they disengage as well. I much rather have Spider Mines. Even if someone has 0 reaction time, we don't have units all over the place at all the time. I hate it when people get all smart and give straight in your face type of answer that is common sense. You think we are all stupid? Of course we know we have to defend our mineral lines and watch for drops. When a medivac is flying in, how much resources worth of units should I pull to defend without risking my front? And at one time you can only react to one drop at a time no matter how fast you are. Dropping 2 shredder at 2 different mineral lines and attacking the front, is easy to execute and efficient, but defending is so hard. If you pull too much unit you are screwed. What if you decide to pull just 2 stalkers and a group of marauder and marine is in the drop? | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On October 31 2011 11:05 Subversion wrote: I think the problem is Blizzard designed this unit as defensive, and probably haven't fully considered it's offensive capabilities. so patchnote: the unit will not be activated when there is no CC within its radius of 500? sounds balance to me lol (no sarcasm i am serious!) | ||
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pezit
Sweden302 Posts
Oh and the shredder is another red alert 2 unit making a comeback. I guess Dustin Browder thinks RA2 > Broodwar. | ||
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Jacob666
United States285 Posts
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