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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
October 28 2011 16:21 GMT
#701
exciting times for sure !
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DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 28 2011 16:23 GMT
#702
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM
zeehar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)3804 Posts
October 28 2011 16:24 GMT
#703
oooh yaah

now i can support KT in both bw and sc2. yes!
I AM THE UNIVERSAL CONSTANT
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
October 28 2011 16:26 GMT
#704
On October 29 2011 01:24 zeehar wrote:
oooh yaah

now i can support KT in both bw and sc2. yes!


this is the only thing I actually look forward to in this whole thing really.

Chill can I have my KT tag on the SC2 section too?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 28 2011 16:26 GMT
#705
On October 29 2011 01:23 DoomsVille wrote:
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM


That's because this has nothing to do with GSTL, or GOM. If the BW players switch, they'll play in Kespa/OGN leagues only.
Writer:o
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
October 28 2011 16:27 GMT
#706
this is really exciting, but... they wont be playing in GOM league im sure? : : )
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50629 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 16:28:59
October 28 2011 16:28 GMT
#707
On October 29 2011 01:26 seraphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:23 DoomsVille wrote:
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM


That's because this has nothing to do with GSTL, or GOM. If the BW players switch, they'll play in Kespa/OGN leagues only.


unless, you know, these poor SC2 teams(in terms of sponsors they are..)are bought out by BW team sponsors.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
October 28 2011 16:28 GMT
#708
On October 29 2011 01:26 seraphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:23 DoomsVille wrote:
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM


That's because this has nothing to do with GSTL, or GOM. If the BW players switch, they'll play in Kespa/OGN leagues only.

So if they do switch, is this going to be really bad news for GOM?
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 16:33:13
October 28 2011 16:28 GMT
#709
On October 29 2011 01:18 tyCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 00:29 Merlimoo wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:10 Zaurus wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:08 rasers wrote:
On October 29 2011 00:01 GTLAllDayEveryDay wrote:
I cant wait for the BW pros to switch over so they can get man handled. It doesnt take too much talent to be the top player at a game that only a handful of players play. SC2 increased the player count many times over. It's funny to see all these BW fanboys speaking hypothetical about their heroes dominating the SC2, but you damn well know in their hearts they're hoping they don't switch because then if players like FlaSh, Jaedong, Bisu switch and become good, but don't reach the mind boggling heights of their BW glory, it just proves that they're not RTS gods, just exceptional BW players that were able to excel in a mechanically difficult game -- remember this is a strategy game, it shouldn't take 400 APM to execute a strategy. Also BW became a very niche thing over the years, like curling.

wow. can u write even more bullshit??


what the! if you have 400 APM and you are still on PAR with a guy with 100 APM, then the game is screwed. It will be like any ordinary crap RTS games in which practising more has no effect.


Go play Spam Click v3 then.
400 APM were needed because the game was stupidly user unfriendly. It is not anymore, allowing more people without nerdy skills and time to express their strategical abilities. In a strategy game, that is what is important.

Mechanical and technical skill is an aspect that is becoming increasingly dismissed as unimportant by SC2 fans. I think this is the wrong way to think about it if you are actually serious about SC2 becoming a fully-fledged sport. Football (not handegg) is very much a strategical contest between coaches, and yet the technique and mechanical skill of the players is what is actually visible on the TV. It is technical and mechanical skill that is actually exciting to the audience. Perhaps 5% of the SC2 viewing audience may have nerdgasms at Artosis' analysis of the beautiful strategy being deployed, but you can bet the other 95% will fall asleep if the mechanical skill required to pull it off is so minimal that the average viewer could do it with enough practice.

People need to understand that mechanical skill is EXACTLY what makes a game interesting. You may think BW being mechanically demanding detracts from it being a strategy game, but the mechanical difficulty of the game is precisely what makes it a good esport, and arguably a better esport than SC2.

By mechanics, I mean macro, micro and multi-tasking. The step away from macro that SC2 has taken has not corresponded to an increase in emphasis on micro. The fact that there are more viable spellcasters in the game does not increase the micro required. Indeed, Bisu has notoriously bad Carrier control and prefers Arbiters because, according to him, you can click on stasis and/or recall and you've gotten the use out of the Arbiter (or other spellcaster unit like the Defiler or Science Vessel). On the other hand, to increase the efficiency of non-spellcaster combat units, you must babysit them and that consumers a lot of your mechanical actions and focus.

What is most disappointing about the state of SC2 progaming today is the lack of multi-tasking employed by the current top players, because with the easier macro AND micro, one would expect some godly multi-tasking at the least. Sadly, this isn't the case, and even if the multi-tasking of top players has improved dramatically over the last 6 months, they are still far worse than the multi-tasking of the top players in BW, and BW is a game with far, far, faaaar more demanding mechanical needs.

TLDR: Mechanical difficulty is needed in esports. Dismissing it as adding no value to the strategical aspect of the game is an insular view that does not consider the viewing audience. SC2 requires far less mechanical skill than BW, with multi-tasking being the only aspect of mechanical skill able to truly "wow" an audience compared to BW. Despite this, current top SC2 players demonstrate weaker multi-tasking than top BW players. Therefore, BW players would re-energise SC2 as an esport, but I am not sure whether SC2 has what it takes to be a more entertaining esport than BW, ever.

I understand what you are saying and respectfully disagree. I wouldn't equate the user-unfriendliness and thus higher mechanincal skill required to some kind of higher watchability...but maybe I just count to the 5% with nerdgasms at good strategical analysis.
I completely agree though that what we see today is far from refined; in every single game even top-SC2 pros make glaring mistakes, lack multitasking etc. There is alot of room to improve. Can't both communities instead of flaming each other look forward? Maybe the awesome BW Pros will surpise us all and show us that even the "inferior" SC2 has unwakened potential
Cheer up folks!
Get off my lawn, young punks
MangoTango
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States3670 Posts
October 28 2011 16:28 GMT
#710
Oh, shit. Oh oh oh shit. Here we go.

BRACE YOURSELVES

Flash is coming.
"One fish, two fish, red fish, BLUE TANK!" - Artosis
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
October 28 2011 16:29 GMT
#711
So.. I... I... I get to root for CJ again?!?!?!

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Deezl
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States355 Posts
October 28 2011 16:29 GMT
#712
I'm a big SC2 fan, but I really feel like this is a scary moment for eSports. We won't be able to see if Starcraft II will hold the world's attention for years to come, at least not until Legacy of the Void comes out. I'd much rather have both scenes operating in tandem.

Also, no KESPA in SC2.
Three hundred lives of men I have walked this world, and now I have no time.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 28 2011 16:30 GMT
#713
Cool,wish all the best to the teams and players with their careers in gaming.
Cackle™
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
October 28 2011 16:30 GMT
#714
Sounds like 2012 is going to be a remarkable year in ESPORTS.
Tofugrinder
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria899 Posts
October 28 2011 16:30 GMT
#715
On October 29 2011 01:28 McFeser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:26 seraphe wrote:
On October 29 2011 01:23 DoomsVille wrote:
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM


That's because this has nothing to do with GSTL, or GOM. If the BW players switch, they'll play in Kespa/OGN leagues only.

So if they do switch, is this going to be really bad news for GOM?

since GOM still holds for another year (dont quote me for this, but I think this is true, not 100% sure though) the rights for sc2 in korea I don't think so.

Maybe gom and ogn will work together _IF_ this really happens? or am i just dreaming too much?^^
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
October 28 2011 16:32 GMT
#716
On October 29 2011 01:26 seraphe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:23 DoomsVille wrote:
I've noticed there hasn't been an official GSTL announcement...

HMMMMMM


That's because this has nothing to do with GSTL, or GOM. If the BW players switch, they'll play in Kespa/OGN leagues only.

you can`t be sure about this, because it all depends on what`s written in the license contract.
keep it deep! @zulison
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 28 2011 16:33 GMT
#717
On October 29 2011 01:26 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2011 01:24 zeehar wrote:
oooh yaah

now i can support KT in both bw and sc2. yes!


this is the only thing I actually look forward to in this whole thing really.

Chill can I have my KT tag on the SC2 section too?


I support this so much.

But... Do I go with STX or do I stick with Startale?

The choices...
Computer says mafia
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
October 28 2011 16:35 GMT
#718
No!! I love sc2 but i love and respect the BW scene just as much, and it pains me to see it dying... Why can't they just make new teams?? I don't want to see flash, jae, bisu, and others until its absolutely neccessary, and i don't think it is yet D:
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
LayZRR
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany449 Posts
October 28 2011 16:35 GMT
#719
if the bw teams switch....all current sc2 players are doomed. cause they will dominate so hard.
KDot2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1213 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-28 16:39:17
October 28 2011 16:36 GMT
#720
OK This is an important question .....

could this actually hurt the GSL ? I don't know a lot about Kespa ... but is it possible they will create there own league and try to get GSL out of the picture? or is this a dumb question ?

edit: sorry seems to have been discussed
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