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We haven't even seen timing attacks in SC2 until we've witnessed forgg's games. Can't wait 
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Not liking Naniwa's and Sase's chances. Lucky and JYP are sick good.
Select and Hero should make it, though.
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I feel like the OP took forever to write and update, so mad props to you, tabbott26
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On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 07:50 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 06:22 Dexington wrote:On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote:
Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me. Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless. Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament. So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM. So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess... Hey mate, can you read?  NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program.  IdrA and  DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program. Do some fact checking. Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time. EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange. How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Do some fact checking. His October seed came from the CPL win, and Sase was given this special consideration because Jinro rejected a free Code A spot.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Code_A
Even Sase's page has the same information:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SaSe
His Road to Korea seed was for August:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_August/Code_A
Hell, even Reddit has it:
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/k3yp7/gsl_code_a_qualifiers_day_2_starts_in_2_hours/
There hasn't been a foreigner who has qualified into Code A (discounting Open Seasons). NONE. All of them were given discretionary seeds, or seeded in via MLG LXP. Sheth didn't get in via MLG contrary to what the Liquipedia page said. Huk, Ret, Haypro, and Moonglade all played in GSL March Code A by invitation - no qualification required. You don't even have ANY evidence for this supposed bribery, and you want to call me out for lies?
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NKsc2: I get your point but you are not entirely right. Gomtv have said that they can give out "wild cards" to foreigners if they have proven themselves in other tournaments, they just need to apply. They know most top Europeans don't play in MLG and if for example Stephano would apply for a code A spot I doubt they would not give it to him.
They offered a wild card to Jinro but since he is a stubborn baller he said he didn't deserve it and that they should give it to Sase which they did (this was Sase's second code A, his first was threw Rakaka).
Since Select got his invite they have been a bit random but I think that is the best way. Going to MLG just to cash out a easy code A feels more silly for me. I also feel that the foreigners that has moved to Korea long term do deserve some extra love from Gomtv and I think Jinro and Sase atleast has got that.
That Idra and Demuslim got the up and down places and not Nani and Sase looks a little strange. I'm sure it is because of scheduling even if they can't say it out loud.
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On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 07:50 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 06:22 Dexington wrote:
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Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM. So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess... Hey mate, can you read? NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program. Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time. EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange. How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
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On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 07:50 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote:
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So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess... Hey mate, can you read? NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program. Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time. EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange. How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Up_and_Down
See how random that was?
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
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On November 03 2011 03:10 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 07:50 MonkSEA wrote:
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Hey mate, can you read?
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Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange. How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim? They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Up_and_DownSee how random that was? Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
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On November 03 2011 03:24 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:10 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:
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How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim? They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Up_and_DownSee how random that was? Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds. Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery?
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On November 03 2011 03:37 Oktyabr wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:24 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 03:10 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:
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I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim? They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Up_and_DownSee how random that was? Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds. Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches. Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery?
Saying it's bribery is dumb, but to say that there isn't something fishy here is as well. At most GOM should've sent the other Semi Finalists from last Season Code A to Up and Downs and not just given it to foreigners. No one would be able to claim favoritism since the Semi Finalist at least earned it just last month. It's just strange.
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Gomtv can say they want two none koreans go into the up & down and I like it!
Some sort of reason why thoose two are choosen would be great and I'm sure the english casters will give it to us if not before.
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On November 03 2011 02:24 Bobster wrote:
Not liking Naniwa's and Sase's chances. Lucky and JYP are sick good.
Select and Hero should make it, though.
Her0 to do big things this GSL, his metagame is pretty boss right now, atelast on his stream
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Updated and tweaked a bit after today's results. Sorry if it takes a while to update, I am in fact in New Zealand at the moment working a night shift, so I have to wait until VODs to watch and update (because I'd love to see what happens without going to the LR)
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On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 00:15 pezit wrote:On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote:On November 02 2011 07:50 MonkSEA wrote:On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote:
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So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess... Hey mate, can you read? NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program. Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time. EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange. How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e. I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team? You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely? No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there. On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
No he got it from rakaka's Road to Korea tournament. He beat Naniwa in the finals.
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Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt.
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On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote:
Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt.
Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
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On November 03 2011 05:17 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 03:37 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 03:24 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 03:10 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 03:06 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 02:19 ssg wrote:On November 03 2011 01:47 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 01:31 Oktyabr wrote:On November 03 2011 01:15 NKsc2 wrote:On November 03 2011 00:28 Oktyabr wrote:
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You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM? What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell. Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if: 1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results. Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there. By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all? What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there. Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base". Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL. This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him. EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though. Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim? They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March/Up_and_DownSee how random that was? Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds. Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches. Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery? Saying it's bribery is dumb, but to say that there isn't something fishy here is as well. At most GOM should've sent the other Semi Finalists from last Season Code A to Up and Downs and not just given it to foreigners. No one would be able to claim favoritism since the Semi Finalist at least earned it just last month. It's just strange.
The new format change picture explicitly shows that 2 foreigners will be joining Up/Downs. Like I said, they're not invoking any special condition in their rulebook to allocate 2 spots to bring 2 EG guys in. They're simply doing it because they want to give foreigners a priviledged spot. Next season another two (interested) foreigners will be hopping in at the same spot. Who is still going to be complaining by then?
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On November 03 2011 09:20 xCenasfu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote:
Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt. Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
hmm? stc just qualified, after his impressive results at foreign events. i'd give him a chance to prove he's legit now before calling him out as crap.
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On November 03 2011 09:20 xCenasfu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote:
Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt. Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
... because he was in the military until recently. this is what, his second GSL season where he could even try and qual? maybe 3rd...
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T_T Curious vs StC so sad. I don't want any of them to get ko'd. 
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