Why DeMu/Idra are seeded into Up/Down - Excellent description by SwiftSpear + Show Spoiler +
Foreign players are placed into the up and down matches. The up and down matches are still part of the play of the current season. By pure probability, if you are seeded into code A in the current GSL, you have about a 50% chance of being eliminated entirely from the GSL after 1 round of play (slightly higher if the assumption that the code S players being dropped down are better than your average code A player). You also have only about a 5.5% chance to go directly into Code S, and including your chance to clear Code S from up and downs, your total chance of getting into code S is still only about 22.3%.
If you are seeded into the Up and Down matches, you have a 100% chance to either be in code A, or code S next season. and your chance of being in code S in the next season is %33.33.
The first round of GSL is the elimination round. It's safer for foreigners to effectively be able to skip it and go into the up and downs right away. This is a good move on GOM's part because it guarantees more foreigner exposure (since you play a minimum of 5 matches in up and down, and THEN are seeded into either Code A or Code S) and also eliminates the "oh he just got into Korea last night and is still jet lagged to hell, no wonder he wasn't able to perform well" excuses. Basically, the up and down seeds are good for the viewers, and good for GOM. It's only really arguable that it may be bad for players since they have to play more games before getting paid (however, it gives them more chances to prove themselves too).
Squirtle qualified for this season by winning the ESV TV Korean Weekly Finals for October. NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. SeleCT and HerO qualified by making it into the Ro16 last season. SjoW had already qualified, but chose to decline due to clashes abroad. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). They are also placed due to the MLG/GSL league exchange program. The reason for DeMusliM's spot is him placing 14th @ MLG Raleigh. Since all of the eligible players above him declined, he got the spot (SoTG ep.55) However, there are now TWO Code S seeds available (one from MLG, but idk about the second one...). It is not the same MuJuK as the BW pro from SKT. Different Korean names!
On October 28 2011 10:08 makk wrote: If you lose in the first round are you still eliminated from the tournament? Seems a bit unfair on the players matched against the code s players :\
Yeah, 1st round is out. They repopulate those slots with qualifiers for next season.
So much information here, I can barely process it.
A few matches that stand out to me:
CrazymovING vs HerO - HerO gets his best match-up. Should go well for him. FruitDealer vs Alicia - Both of them seem to be performing better as of late. Will FD finally drop out of the GSL? Tassadar vs SeleCT - SeleCT's got this if he practices holding off cheese. JYP vs SaSe - PvP between two players I really enjoy watching. Will hurt either way. Lucky vs NaNiwa - revenge match! Noblesse vs InCa - InCa misses out on PvP and hits one of the stronger Terrans.
FruitDealer vs Alicia, Tassadar vs SeleCT, Sage vs fOrGG, Lucky vs NaNiwa (lol for some reason I find it funny that they face each other in back to back GSLs, and also will Lucky continue his killing of non-korean hope in GSL dating back to GSL August?), someone from Code S vs RainbOw, and another Code S player vs TheStC!
So many more players in Code A. Also making it kinda easier to get into. So I won't be to disappointed if some big names get knocked out. Then can requalify easy next season.
Anyone know how they decide which players get matched up against the 4th place player from code S? I feel bad for whoever has to deal with Nestea's wrath after getting cheesed out of the group stages (hypothetical case).
On October 28 2011 11:17 red4ce wrote: Anyone know how they decide which players get matched up against the 4th place player from code S? I feel bad for whoever has to deal with Nestea's wrath after getting cheesed out of the group stages (hypothetical case).
There are effectively 4 groups of 12. They are done like this:
4th in Code S Group Qualifier
Player who stayed in last season's Code A Qualifier
4th in Code S Group Qualifier
Player who stayed in last season's Code A Qualifier
Player who stayed in last season's Code A Qualifier
Player who stayed in last season's Code A Qualifier
The actual players are completely randomly selected.
I feel like the Code S players should play someone that was already in Code A last season instead of the new Code A players. It just seems so volatile and punishing for the Code S players. Granted, the matches will have much more meaning, but I think it takes a bit of spark for getting into Code S itself.
Holy, 8 bo3 per day for a possible max of 24 games? Jesus, these are going to be very long days! Remember how long the best day of gsl was? Yeah that was only 12 games!
I know they did 8 bo3 last season for code a, but those were broken up into day and night matches, and this schedule shows they just play all 8 games at usual time.
I am gonna say this now...... BoxeR has show a lot of improvements lately.... and he is going to go far in this Code A...... Will he make it? That's up to him.... but I know for a fact he won't just be eliminated ez pz
MvPKeen vs TSLRevivaL:Commander Keen is Commander Keen...RevivaL is ZvT Gosu!definitely great match.
MvPGenius vs TSLSymbol:Genius is sick good but...Symbol is really underrated.Most of foreigners doesnt know him.He was Hwaseung OZ Zerg Neel[fOu] who managed to beat IdrA in MSL
TSLJYP vs QIMSaSe:Expect a super intense PvP,both players so good at PvP
NsHoSeoSage vs oGsFinForGG: Probably my favorite ro48 match up,cant wait for see ForGG analyzes Sage style
On October 28 2011 11:37 KunFuSion wrote: I feel like the Code S players should play someone that was already in Code A last season instead of the new Code A players. It just seems so volatile and punishing for the Code S players. Granted, the matches will have much more meaning, but I think it takes a bit of spark for getting into Code S itself.
No it makes sense because the assumption is the current code A player is stronger than the new code A player because he managed to stay in code A last season and didn't fall to code B. Of course this isn't necessarily true for every player, but in theory it is.
Therefore it makes sense to give some protection to the current code A player by having them avoid a code S player while also giving protection for the code S player by avoiding a current code A player.
On October 28 2011 11:37 KunFuSion wrote: I feel like the Code S players should play someone that was already in Code A last season instead of the new Code A players. It just seems so volatile and punishing for the Code S players. Granted, the matches will have much more meaning, but I think it takes a bit of spark for getting into Code S itself.
No it makes sense because the assumption is the current code A player is stronger than the new code A player because he managed to stay in code A last season and didn't fall to code B. Of course this isn't necessarily true for every player, but in theory it is.
Therefore it makes sense to give some protection to the current code A player by having them avoid a code S player while also giving protection for the code S player by avoiding a current code A player.
Yeah, I know, I can see where they are going with it, but it's just too random. I think this style of matchmaking would better fit a group scenario or something like the old Up/Down matches from before. At least it'd better insure that the best players advance from the groups as intended.
Chances are, a Code S fallout is going to beat a new Code A entry. Whereas the other new Code A entries are paired up against a Code A player already. In a group play scenario each of the new Code A entries would have an equal shot at staying in Code A and the fallout Code S player would have a better chance to redeem themselves instead of going from S -> B.
Groups should look like this:
Code S fallout Code A from last season Code A new entry Code A new entry
On October 28 2011 11:42 McFeser wrote: IdrA actually really deserves that seeding (As a former Code S player and a winner of excellent tournaments) but DeMuslim doesn't deserve this at all.
Actually, I'd disagree with that, DeMuslim has been showing a really strong side recently. He took down a load of koreans at raleigh, and the only reason we haven't seen more of him in the last few week is that he's trying to sort out a visa for Korea.
That, and being #1 simultaneously on EU and NA, which have completely different tactics and aggressiveness is no easy feat. I think he'll do quite well there, if he overcomes his tournament nerves....
On October 28 2011 11:37 KunFuSion wrote: I feel like the Code S players should play someone that was already in Code A last season instead of the new Code A players. It just seems so volatile and punishing for the Code S players. Granted, the matches will have much more meaning, but I think it takes a bit of spark for getting into Code S itself.
No it makes sense because the assumption is the current code A player is stronger than the new code A player because he managed to stay in code A last season and didn't fall to code B. Of course this isn't necessarily true for every player, but in theory it is.
Therefore it makes sense to give some protection to the current code A player by having them avoid a code S player while also giving protection for the code S player by avoiding a current code A player.
Chances are, a Code S fallout is going to beat a new Code A entry. Whereas the other new Code A entries are paired up against a Code A player already. In a group play scenario each of the new Code A entries would have an equal shot at staying in Code A and the fallout Code S player would have a better chance to redeem themselves instead of going from S -> B.
Oh yeah I agree with that part. One new code A player has to play a code S player while another new code A player has to play a current code A player. I don't know how they determine that because it is unfair to one of them.
On October 28 2011 12:06 GreatestThreat wrote: So... does anyone know what ever happened with YellOw? Or has everyone just forgotten about him already :/
Idk, he didn't try to qualify, funny thing is that not many people did, so he would have had quite a good chance...
omg this is sick, sage vs fin is going to be amazing (though sadly i wish it didnt happen til later on so neither gets eliminated from gsl T___T) that said im really looking forward to this season, im tempted to actually pay for a gsl ticket for once xD
On October 28 2011 12:26 Talih wrote: Anyone know what happened to Moon after Fox's collapse?
Looks like he's on AZK now with viOlet.
Neither of them are on AZK. Please don't spread misinformation.
viOlet is for sure on AZK (according to TLPD) unless something happened recently, and I recall seeing FOXAZKMoon playing in the IPL4 PPSL. Sorry if I'm wrong
On October 28 2011 12:26 Talih wrote: Anyone know what happened to Moon after Fox's collapse?
Looks like he's on AZK now with viOlet.
Neither of them are on AZK. Please don't spread misinformation.
viOlet is for sure on AZK (according to TLPD) unless something happened recently, and I recall seeing FOXAZKMoon playing in the IPL4 PPSL. Sorry if I'm wrong
im pretty sure violet was only being sponsored by azk for ipl 3
On October 28 2011 12:26 Talih wrote: Anyone know what happened to Moon after Fox's collapse?
Looks like he's on AZK now with viOlet.
Neither of them are on AZK. Please don't spread misinformation.
viOlet is for sure on AZK (according to TLPD) unless something happened recently, and I recall seeing FOXAZKMoon playing in the IPL4 PPSL. Sorry if I'm wrong
im pretty sure violet was only being sponsored by azk for ipl 3
On October 28 2011 12:26 Talih wrote: Anyone know what happened to Moon after Fox's collapse?
Looks like he's on AZK now with viOlet.
Neither of them are on AZK. Please don't spread misinformation.
viOlet is for sure on AZK (according to TLPD) unless something happened recently, and I recall seeing FOXAZKMoon playing in the IPL4 PPSL. Sorry if I'm wrong
Moon's case is probably the same as viOlet's (sponsored by AZK for the IPL) or something similar. Both Soccer and Moon have used that tag before in the past when playing in other Pacific tournaments during the time they were on WMF. They're both currently teamles, with Moon shopping around for a Korean team. And honestly, if he got picked up by a team, everyone and their grandmother would probably know; it'd be on the front page of Tatazu, that's for sure.
Curious to see who might be the other Code S foreign seed. IdrA is still acceptable due to him being a former Code S player and has clearly proven recent tournament wins/placings.
While I think DeMuslim is a good player, I don't see why he deserves to be directly be placed into Code S. He has no recent major tournament wins and, wasn't in Code A or S . I do think he has potential to do well though, just that I think it's a lil too unfair to others.
This guy got the shaft in the random draft lol. MVP, aLive, Curious andMarineKing is what makes up Group H. I don't see anyone losing to TheStC from that group.
The Idra/Demuslim up and down placement makes sense if you look at the chart. The two foreign seeds get placed directly in the Up & Downs. But if I remember correctly, if you're the bottom 24, you're out to Code B. That's gonna suck for them if they have a bad day. :/ Imagine the Idra-rage if Idra falls to Code B. I'd be so sad.
I can't wait for the group with ForGG, Naniwa, and Select. Those will be an intense day for the fans. I'll probably even stay up and fuck over my sleep schedule yet again for that day.
This guy got the shaft in the random draft lol. MVP, aLive, Curious andMarineKing is what makes up Group H. I don't see anyone losing to TheStC from that group.
Better than Rainbow's situation, lol. Bomber, Happy, DRG, or Gumiho? No chance Rainbow's advancing.
On October 28 2011 10:08 makk wrote: If you lose in the first round are you still eliminated from the tournament? Seems a bit unfair on the players matched against the code s players :\
Should be remembered that qualifying is so so much easier now with this format as its 20-24 spots instead of 12!
Also ESV kinda got screwed over because of it being easier to qual =p
This guy got the shaft in the random draft lol. MVP, aLive, Curious andMarineKing is what makes up Group H. I don't see anyone losing to TheStC from that group.
Better than Rainbow's situation, lol. Bomber, Happy, DRG, or Gumiho? No chance Rainbow's advancing.
Yeah none of the random unlucky qualifiers will have it easy, except for maybe Cezzane since he will probably get Ensnare but, other than that I don't see any weak code S players. It also is bad luck that half the oGs qualifiers will play code S players right off the bat. Oh well at least its Bo3 to stay in Code A.
This guy got the shaft in the random draft lol. MVP, aLive, Curious andMarineKing is what makes up Group H. I don't see anyone losing to TheStC from that group.
Better than Rainbow's situation, lol. Bomber, Happy, DRG, or Gumiho? No chance Rainbow's advancing.
Yeah none of the random unlucky qualifiers will have it easy, except for maybe Cezzane since he will probably get Ensnare but, other than that I don't see any weak code S players. It also is bad luck that half the oGs qualifiers will play code S players right off the bat. Oh well at least its Bo3 to stay in Code A.
yugioh is pretty weak comparitively as well, so Yeah! likely got lucky... this is a assuming he loses not MMA/Ryung/MC
Man Code A is sick! Nice to see that there are quite a few people who can qualify consistently now - there's only 5 or so names that I don't recognize.
On October 28 2011 10:08 makk wrote: If you lose in the first round are you still eliminated from the tournament? Seems a bit unfair on the players matched against the code s players :\
Should be remembered that qualifying is so so much easier now with this format as its 20-24 spots instead of 12!
Also ESV kinda got screwed over because of it being easier to qual =p
Well Squirtle also got 1K from it so I'm guessing he's not complaining.
Naniwa vs Lucky rematch could be interesting. Lot of solid games here. FD vs alicia too... 2 players that have kind of disappeared for a while, I think I'd be happy seeing either move on.
If they're planning to seed the future MLG invites straight into Up & Downs then I think it's a really good idea. For one, the Up & Downs are played in one day, so it's not like a Code A invite where you had to come to Korea and stay for a whole month. Secondly, putting the seeds directly into the Up & Down groups seems more on par with putting the Korean invites directly into the MLG groups.
(Z)CrazymovING vs. (P)HerO (Z)FruitDealer vs. (P)Alicia (P)Tassadar vs. (T)SeleCT (P)Sage vs. (T)Fin (fOrGG) (P)JYP vs. (P)SaSe (Z)Lucky vs. (P)NaNiwa (T)Dream vs. (T)BoxeR
SON OF A BITCH. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE ONE OF THESE GUYS TO WIN.
Seriously. Crazymoving and Hero both on foreigner teams, FD and Alicia are two fun players, Tassadar is a great P and has to play against a "foreigner", Sage, the protoss god, has to fight the Pretender, Sase meets the other protoss god, JYP, Naniwa is fighting Lucky, who surprised me in IPL3, Boxer is going to have to beat Dream who is awesome. So stacked...
On October 28 2011 21:03 AXygnus wrote: (Z)CrazymovING vs. (P)HerO (Z)FruitDealer vs. (P)Alicia (P)Tassadar vs. (T)SeleCT (P)Sage vs. (T)Fin (fOrGG) (P)JYP vs. (P)SaSe (Z)Lucky vs. (P)NaNiwa (T)Dream vs. (T)BoxeR
SON OF A BITCH. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO CHOOSE ONE OF THESE GUYS TO WIN.
Seriously. Crazymoving and Hero both on foreigner teams, FD and Alicia are two fun players, Tassadar is a great P and has to play against a "foreigner", Sage, the protoss god, has to fight the Pretender, Sase meets the other protoss god, JYP, Naniwa is fighting Lucky, who surprised me in IPL3, Boxer is going to have to beat Dream who is awesome. So stacked...
Well, GSL is starting to become what it should, the best league in the world. Now just to fix the terrans...
CrazymovING vs. HerO + Tassadar vs. SeleCT Sage vs. Fin (fOrGG) JYP vs. SaSe Lucky vs. NaNiwa + TheStC Dream vs. BoxeR Right side fighting~ Would be fantastic :O
Even in my brood war following days, I was never this excited about this many first-round tournament matches, ever. This is insane. Sad that they can't all make it but thrilled to see the matches! :D
On October 28 2011 22:15 tnud wrote: CrazymovING vs. HerO + Tassadar vs. SeleCT Sage vs. Fin (fOrGG) JYP vs. SaSe Lucky vs. NaNiwa + TheStC Dream vs. BoxeR Right side fighting~ Would be fantastic :O
Exactly the same list as mine, just add fruitdealer and zenio.
Man SaSe and Naniwa both got dicked over again! That really sucks! JYP is so sick at PvP, and I love both him and SaSe so I'm going to be upset no matter who wins that one... And then Naniwa gets to face Lucky who has shown that he's no joke, and I'm pretty sure Nani's worst MU is PvZ...
Also, getting 4th in code S groups C and H means a VERY good chance of being knocked straight into code B! Also GuineaPig waiting for whoever loses group B is pretty threatening...
On October 29 2011 00:46 SadMachine wrote: Also, getting 4th in code S groups C and H means a VERY good chance of being knocked straight into code B! Also GuineaPig waiting for whoever loses group B is pretty threatening...
Yeah, that's true, GuineaPig has really progressed his game since making his first few appearances.
One of the very few that look completely one-sided is Hero v Crazymoving. Crazymoving has a great username, but from reading his interview he doesn't really practise like a pro, while Hero is good at PvZ
GSL might finally be a truly terrifying tournament and worthy of being called the Global Starcraft League. Code S at the moment has disgustingly good players, and Code A has too!
I think Nani can take Lucky. his PvZ used to be his weak point, but he really impressed at BlizzCon, so he might be alright. Sase's PvP is beastly, I actually see him beating JYP with a little luck.
On October 29 2011 01:54 supraWman wrote: Sase's PvP is beastly, I actually see him beating JYP with a little luck.
Isn't that the basic point of PvP??
Yeah.. what I meant though is that Sase will need a little less extra luck than JYP will.
Fair enough. I just hope Sase doesn't make that one mistake, just one always seems to creep into his game and its enough to destroy him and his confidence.
Really? 4th place Code S player vs a Code A player?
Seems really stupid, considering players themselves make their own group and you could very well have a high class 4th place player playing a Code A one.
I really don't like this new format at all. Seems they just want to remove people from Code S as quickly as possible instead of letting it run gradually.
On October 29 2011 08:48 SniXSniPe wrote: Really? 4th place Code S player vs a Code A player?
Seems really stupid, considering players themselves make their own group and you could very well have a high class 4th place player playing a Code A one.
I really don't like this new format at all. Seems they just want to remove people from Code S as quickly as possible instead of letting it run gradually.
The whine won. Yes, that's what I think too, but we'll see how it plays. The thing is, most problems started to fix themselves (well, THE problem, being TvT). Code A has barely any terran now, so code S would have naturally lost more and more terran. This would have taken time, but that would have been a real "story" and created some heroes in the process. Now I fear that we'll have 30 new names in code S each season. The whine won :/
On October 28 2011 22:15 tnud wrote: CrazymovING vs. HerO + Tassadar vs. SeleCT Sage vs. Fin (fOrGG) JYP vs. SaSe Lucky vs. NaNiwa + TheStC Dream vs. BoxeR Right side fighting~ Would be fantastic :O
Wait, you're picking theSTC to beat MVP or alive or curious or MKP? those are 4 of the best players in sc2, only one anyone would argue about is alive but he is a ladder god, can't see STC beating him.
On October 29 2011 08:48 SniXSniPe wrote: Really? 4th place Code S player vs a Code A player?
Seems really stupid, considering players themselves make their own group and you could very well have a high class 4th place player playing a Code A one.
I really don't like this new format at all. Seems they just want to remove people from Code S as quickly as possible instead of letting it run gradually.
The whine won. Yes, that's what I think too, but we'll see how it plays. The thing is, most problems started to fix themselves (well, THE problem, being TvT). Code A has barely any terran now, so code S would have naturally lost more and more terran. This would have taken time, but that would have been a real "story" and created some heroes in the process. Now I fear that we'll have 30 new names in code S each season. The whine won :/
That's a negative way to look at it, surprised by this view mr con! =o
Even though it looks like a large number of Code S players might be able to fall, if they are the best 32 they won't. It may seem harsh, but it's not like they don't have chances to advance between code s Ro32, S Ro16, A Ro24 and Up/Down.
Saying that, with the old system, the problem will eventually solve itself is incorrect. There's next to no guarantee with finalists like TOP falling whilst Ensnare becomes the running joke in group selections.
Of course I know your "30" new players is an exaggeration, most likely half of code s will be shaken up, so we'll see people at the top of their game rather than those that were at the top of their game 9 months ago. The sheer number of chances to crack into code S for code A players makes qualifying for code a appear also less daunting, and makes code a the proper qualifiers it was meant to be (hopefully) as opposed to another tournament with a terrible prize pool.
Of course, I still think change needs to happen, but this is a step in the right direction.
On October 29 2011 08:48 SniXSniPe wrote: Really? 4th place Code S player vs a Code A player?
Seems really stupid, considering players themselves make their own group and you could very well have a high class 4th place player playing a Code A one.
I really don't like this new format at all. Seems they just want to remove people from Code S as quickly as possible instead of letting it run gradually.
The whine won. Yes, that's what I think too, but we'll see how it plays. The thing is, most problems started to fix themselves (well, THE problem, being TvT). Code A has barely any terran now, so code S would have naturally lost more and more terran. This would have taken time, but that would have been a real "story" and created some heroes in the process. Now I fear that we'll have 30 new names in code S each season. The whine won :/
That's a negative way to look at it, surprised by this view mr con! =o
Even though it looks like a large number of Code S players might be able to fall, if they are the best 32 they won't. It may seem harsh, but it's not like they don't have chances to advance between code s Ro32, S Ro16, A Ro24 and Up/Down.
Saying that, with the old system, the problem will eventually solve itself is incorrect. There's next to no guarantee with finalists like TOP falling whilst Ensnare becomes the running joke in group selections.
Of course I know your "30" new players is an exaggeration, most likely half of code s will be shaken up, so we'll see people at the top of their game rather than those that were at the top of their game 9 months ago. The sheer number of chances to crack into code S for code A players makes qualifying for code a appear also less daunting, and makes code a the proper qualifiers it was meant to be (hopefully) as opposed to another tournament with a terrible prize pool.
Of course, I still think change needs to happen, but this is a step in the right direction.
Yep, I'm sure it'll be great anyway. I just think they took too big of a step in the right direction, so now instead of solving the problems they'll create some new ones. But it's just the theory, in practice I'm sure it'll be great :D I'll miss code A tho. This season code A was so good ffs. The terran domination, bad in theory, has created sick stories and games in practice.
On October 28 2011 14:10 Otolia wrote: I don't understand the qualification of NaNiwa and SaSe. On which MLG are their slot based ?
Furthermore DeMuslim and Idra are coming based on MLG Anaheim, is that right ?
I am equally confused. i THINK this GSL syncs up with invites coming from the Raleigh event. So Huk code s already, sjow declines, select code a already. Then we have Naniwa as the next guy.
However Sase then pops up as an invite and if its really anything to do with mlg.. well he hasnt even been to one untill Orlando. My suspicion is he wasnt strictly invited for an MLG performance, but more for the fact that he's actually there and has been performing strongly and they couldnt get any other MLG guys from Raleigh over.
The reasoning behind idra and Demu going straight into up/downs is much more curious though.. Demu being there supports that this is a Raleigh thing, but still he did worse than Naniwa. Yes idra did amazingly at Orlando, but if this GSL--> Raleigh.. well then he lost to Trimaster and didnt do so great, which would make you wonder why not him to Code A and Naniwa to Up and Downs. The only explanation seems to be that is mad fiddled to get him and demu in at all because they cant get to Korea untill the up and downs are played.
Basically, its amazing that we get foreigners into the GSL by this process, but its a messed up process how the players are "earning" their spots for this particular edition of the exchange.
On October 28 2011 14:10 Otolia wrote: I don't understand the qualification of NaNiwa and SaSe. On which MLG are their slot based ?
Furthermore DeMuslim and Idra are coming based on MLG Anaheim, is that right ?
I am equally confused. i THINK this GSL syncs up with invites coming from the Raleigh event. So Huk code s already, sjow declines, select code a already. Then we have Naniwa as the next guy.
However Sase then pops up as an invite and if its really anything to do with mlg.. well he hasnt even been to one untill Orlando. My suspicion is he wasnt strictly invited for an MLG performance, but more for the fact that he's actually there and has been performing strongly and they couldnt get any other MLG guys from Raleigh over.
The reasoning behind idra and Demu going straight into up/downs is much more curious though.. Demu being there supports that this is a Raleigh thing, but still he did worse than Naniwa. Yes idra did amazingly at Orlando, but if this GSL--> Raleigh.. well then he lost to Trimaster and didnt do so great, which would make you wonder why not him to Code A and Naniwa to Up and Downs. The only explanation seems to be that is mad fiddled to get him and demu in at all because they cant get to Korea untill the up and downs are played.
Basically, its amazing that we get foreigners into the GSL by this process, but its a messed up process how the players are "earning" their spots for this particular edition of the exchange.
Still fuckin hyped though
The invite was meant to go to Jinro, but like a boss, he declined it saying he wanted to earn it and Jinro suggested that they invite SaSe.
On October 28 2011 14:10 Otolia wrote: I don't understand the qualification of NaNiwa and SaSe. On which MLG are their slot based ?
Furthermore DeMuslim and Idra are coming based on MLG Anaheim, is that right ?
I am equally confused. i THINK this GSL syncs up with invites coming from the Raleigh event. So Huk code s already, sjow declines, select code a already. Then we have Naniwa as the next guy.
However Sase then pops up as an invite and if its really anything to do with mlg.. well he hasnt even been to one untill Orlando. My suspicion is he wasnt strictly invited for an MLG performance, but more for the fact that he's actually there and has been performing strongly and they couldnt get any other MLG guys from Raleigh over.
The reasoning behind idra and Demu going straight into up/downs is much more curious though.. Demu being there supports that this is a Raleigh thing, but still he did worse than Naniwa. Yes idra did amazingly at Orlando, but if this GSL--> Raleigh.. well then he lost to Trimaster and didnt do so great, which would make you wonder why not him to Code A and Naniwa to Up and Downs. The only explanation seems to be that is mad fiddled to get him and demu in at all because they cant get to Korea untill the up and downs are played.
Basically, its amazing that we get foreigners into the GSL by this process, but its a messed up process how the players are "earning" their spots for this particular edition of the exchange.
Still fuckin hyped though
I believe the fact that Idra made it at least is the fact that he was Code S before he voluntarily withdrew (unlike Rain, he gave GOM sufficient notice). DeMuslim is an interesting one, but maybe he caught the eye of GOM??
On October 28 2011 10:01 Zephirdd wrote: Wait, so Idra/Demuslim will only join on December?
Also, Tassadar versus SeleCT. SIIIICK. And who is that zerg versus HerO? GO HERO.
Foreign players are placed into the up and down matches. The up and down matches are still part of the play of the current season. By pure probability, if you are seeded into code A in the current GSL, you have about a 50% chance of being eliminated entirely from the GSL after 1 round of play (slightly higher if the assumption that the code S players being dropped down are better than your average code A player). You also have only about a 5.5% chance to go directly into Code S, and including your chance to clear Code S from up and downs, your total chance of getting into code S is still only about 22.3%.
If you are seeded into the Up and Down matches, you have a 100% chance to either be in code A, or code S next season. and your chance of being in code S in the next season is %33.33.
The first round of GSL is the elimination round. It's safer for foreigners to effectively be able to skip it and go into the up and downs right away. This is a good move on GOM's part because it guarantees more foreigner exposure (since you play a minimum of 5 matches in up and down, and THEN are seeded into either Code A or Code S) and also eliminates the "oh he just got into Korea last night and is still jet lagged to hell, no wonder he wasn't able to perform well" excuses. Basically, the up and down seeds are good for the viewers, and good for GOM. It's only really arguable that it may be bad for players since they have to play more games before getting paid (however, it gives them more chances to prove themselves too).
On October 28 2011 10:01 Zephirdd wrote: Wait, so Idra/Demuslim will only join on December?
Also, Tassadar versus SeleCT. SIIIICK. And who is that zerg versus HerO? GO HERO.
Foreign players are placed into the up and down matches. The up and down matches are still part of the play of the current season. By pure probability, if you are seeded into code A in the current GSL, you have about a 50% chance of being eliminated entirely from the GSL after 1 round of play (slightly higher if the assumption that the code S players being dropped down are better than your average code A player). You also have only about a 5.5% chance to go directly into Code S, and including your chance to clear Code S from up and downs, your total chance of getting into code S is still only about 22.3%.
If you are seeded into the Up and Down matches, you have a 100% chance to either be in code A, or code S next season. and your chance of being in code S in the next season is %33.33.
The first round of GSL is the elimination round. It's safer for foreigners to effectively be able to skip it and go into the up and downs right away. This is a good move on GOM's part because it guarantees more foreigner exposure (since you play a minimum of 5 matches in up and down, and THEN are seeded into either Code A or Code S) and also eliminates the "oh he just got into Korea last night and is still jet lagged to hell, no wonder he wasn't able to perform well" excuses. Basically, the up and down seeds are good for the viewers, and good for GOM. It's only really arguable that it may be bad for players since they have to play more games before getting paid (however, it gives them more chances to prove themselves too).
You sir, just put it so perfectly that I'm gonna add it to the OP.
Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
It feels like all the strong players are matched up against each other too quickly....but then again there are just so many strong players. I really hope the foreigners do well! Select/SaSe/Naniwa hwaiitinggggg!!! Also I want to see more of ForGG so I hope he does well too :3
On October 28 2011 10:01 Zephirdd wrote: Wait, so Idra/Demuslim will only join on December?
Also, Tassadar versus SeleCT. SIIIICK. And who is that zerg versus HerO? GO HERO.
Foreign players are placed into the up and down matches. The up and down matches are still part of the play of the current season. By pure probability, if you are seeded into code A in the current GSL, you have about a 50% chance of being eliminated entirely from the GSL after 1 round of play (slightly higher if the assumption that the code S players being dropped down are better than your average code A player). You also have only about a 5.5% chance to go directly into Code S, and including your chance to clear Code S from up and downs, your total chance of getting into code S is still only about 22.3%.
If you are seeded into the Up and Down matches, you have a 100% chance to either be in code A, or code S next season. and your chance of being in code S in the next season is %33.33.
The first round of GSL is the elimination round. It's safer for foreigners to effectively be able to skip it and go into the up and downs right away. This is a good move on GOM's part because it guarantees more foreigner exposure (since you play a minimum of 5 matches in up and down, and THEN are seeded into either Code A or Code S) and also eliminates the "oh he just got into Korea last night and is still jet lagged to hell, no wonder he wasn't able to perform well" excuses. Basically, the up and down seeds are good for the viewers, and good for GOM. It's only really arguable that it may be bad for players since they have to play more games before getting paid (however, it gives them more chances to prove themselves too).
What? you're just expanding an obvious explanation into details, that most people are already aware of; what we're asking why is more of "how is this fair at all in the interest of the competition?"
Basically, you're saying they're put into Up and Down because then there will be a higher chance of them getting into Code S (relative to them being put straight into Code A instead), and they will at least guarantee at least Code A next season; and this will therefore please the foreigners and increase viewer ship for GOM. Any one with half a brain will figure this intention out. But that doesn't change the fact that it isn't fair to everyone else in the competition, that had to go through brutal code B, and now have to go through rounds of brutal Code A (chance of facing Code S players like Losira), just to get to the Ups and Downs. All just cuz Delmuslim had a good open bracket run at an MLG? Errr pretty much like 90% of the Koreans that starts in the open bracket either made it to the group stage or had at least a decent run, and there are alot of foreigners that went farther than Delmuslim.
I mean so what if they go there for Code A for one round then lose and have to fly back? AFAIK, everything is paid for them. They get valuable experience, and might even have a chance to interact with some Korean players (like Thorzain training in Slayers house), or how much Fenix improved just from that. They already were given a bye towards the brutal Code B, it's completely their fault if they can't beat a first round code A'er multiple times.
Look at it this way, if foreigners were placed directly into the GSL FINALS, I can use your exact argument to explain it: "it increases their chance of foreigners winning the finals, and at least guarantee a Code S spot next season, therefore it will please the foreigners and increase GOMTV's viewer ship". See the problem with this explanation? It is a valid explanation, but not a justified explanation.
It doesnt make sence at all that Idra and demuslim is in the up and down isnt that really unfair for the korean players that have worked the way all the way upto code S from code B and A
They should have got a code a spot like Sase and Naniwa only fair. This stinks abit I must admit
On November 02 2011 06:55 HappyChris wrote: It doesnt make sence at all that Idra and demuslim is in the up and down isnt that really unfair for the korean players that have worked the way all the way upto code S from code B and A
They should have got a code a spot like Sase and Naniwa only fair. This stinks abit I must admit
Read above, there's a very good reason why they're in the Up/Downs
On November 02 2011 06:55 HappyChris wrote: It doesnt make sence at all that Idra and demuslim is in the up and down isnt that really unfair for the korean players that have worked the way all the way upto code S from code B and A
They should have got a code a spot like Sase and Naniwa only fair. This stinks abit I must admit
Read above, there's a very good reason why they're in the Up/Downs
What I don't understand is:
1) On what grounds demuslim will be seeded in the first place. Seems like a complete charity invite. The guy is a great terran in EU/NA terms, but charity invites aren't the way to go if you ask me. 2) On what grounds Sase/Nani are seeded into code A but Idra will get seeded into up/downs. Idra should be seeded just like any other MLG invite. Doesn't seems like equal treatment.
I love seeing more foreigners in the GSL, but well, equal treatment of (foreign) players seems kind of important to protect the integrity of a league. None of those things are explained in the OP.
On October 28 2011 10:04 Starcraft2Radio wrote: Man, Tassadar is going to get rolled. Select's TvP is really good.
JYP vs Sase.. wow. That will be a crazy match.
Squirtle is back in!
Wow, Sage vs Forgg.
Is it weird that I've been more excited for Code A the past 2 seasons than I have been for Code S?
I know exactly how you feel. Depending on how it goes, the up and down matches could be even more exciting if it includes idra and demuslim. Seems like the GSL might get considerably more exciting for me. It probably helps that a multitude of the skilled less-known koreans have had a year to build a story about themselves.
In regards to getting invited directly to up and down matches, I think it's a brilliant move from GOM. Either way, the players are guaranteed at least Code A. If the player is exceptionally skilled, they don't have to spend a month in code A before getting to code S and making money. This really solves the foreigner problem of having to spend months in korea without knowing if it's worth it.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
Can you read?
There is only one official league exchange program, which is the GSL-MLG exchange. Demuslim hasn't qualified high enough in any of them to warrant an up/down slot, so no, it does not answer the question. Sase gained his GSL code A slot in the same MLG that Idra did, so he should get the same treatment as Sase. Again, question is not answered.
Maybe inhouse EG tournaments count as part of league exchange now, in which case I'll be expecting incontrol, axslav and strifecro in the next up/down matches. We all know they're good enough, so let's just give them a spot, which is exactly what this feels like. Charity invites ftl.
I don't see how you can claim this is fine from a tournament integrity point of view. I get the rationale, it's just not fair.
The GSL format is awesome though, refreshing to see more movement across code S and code A. Actually the whole code A is so stacked, makes every other tournament look like a joke.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
Can you read?
There is only one official league exchange program, which is the GSL-MLG exchange. Demuslim hasn't qualified high enough in any of them to warrant an up/down slot, so no, it does not answer the question. Sase gained his GSL code A slot in the same MLG that Idra did, so he should get the same treatment as Sase. Again, question is not answered.
Maybe inhouse EG tournaments count as part of league exchange now, in which case I'll be expecting incontrol, axslav and strifecro in the next up/down matches. We all know they're good enough, so let's just give them a spot, which is exactly what this feels like. Charity invites ftl.
I don't see how you can claim this is fine from a tournament integrity point of view. I get the rationale, it's just not fair.
Tennis tournaments do this all the time. They keep a few spots open for "wild card" invites, meaning they can invite anyone for any reason they like. I don't neccesarily think it's bad by gom to do something like this, I only wish they were open about what everthing is and not try to sugar coat it.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
On November 01 2011 23:18 NKsc2 wrote: Wait, what? >_> Why did Idra and Demuslim get free up&down spots? It doesn't make any sense to me. Did TeamEG pay gomtv for Idra/Demuslim to get seeded? I can't find any other reason. Been searching everywhere. Please enlighten me.
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Do some fact checking.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Do some fact checking. His October seed came from the CPL win, and Sase was given this special consideration because Jinro rejected a free Code A spot.
There hasn't been a foreigner who has qualified into Code A (discounting Open Seasons). NONE. All of them were given discretionary seeds, or seeded in via MLG LXP. Sheth didn't get in via MLG contrary to what the Liquipedia page said. Huk, Ret, Haypro, and Moonglade all played in GSL March Code A by invitation - no qualification required. You don't even have ANY evidence for this supposed bribery, and you want to call me out for lies?
NKsc2: I get your point but you are not entirely right. Gomtv have said that they can give out "wild cards" to foreigners if they have proven themselves in other tournaments, they just need to apply. They know most top Europeans don't play in MLG and if for example Stephano would apply for a code A spot I doubt they would not give it to him.
They offered a wild card to Jinro but since he is a stubborn baller he said he didn't deserve it and that they should give it to Sase which they did (this was Sase's second code A, his first was threw Rakaka).
Since Select got his invite they have been a bit random but I think that is the best way. Going to MLG just to cash out a easy code A feels more silly for me. I also feel that the foreigners that has moved to Korea long term do deserve some extra love from Gomtv and I think Jinro and Sase atleast has got that.
That Idra and Demuslim got the up and down places and not Nani and Sase looks a little strange. I'm sure it is because of scheduling even if they can't say it out loud.
On November 02 2011 06:22 Dexington wrote: [quote]
Idra won IEM China and got 4th at the last MLG. He also never really lost his Code S spot, so arguing against this one is really pointless.
Demuslim had a terrifying run through the open bracket into the championship bracket of MLG... Columbus? Regardless, it was probably one of the most impressive feats of the tournament.
So, in the old GSL, these two definitely would've been invited to Code A. Read the post above regarding why that isn't a good deal for GOM.
So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote: [quote] So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
On November 02 2011 23:28 NKsc2 wrote: [quote] How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery?
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery?
Saying it's bribery is dumb, but to say that there isn't something fishy here is as well. At most GOM should've sent the other Semi Finalists from last Season Code A to Up and Downs and not just given it to foreigners. No one would be able to claim favoritism since the Semi Finalist at least earned it just last month. It's just strange.
Updated and tweaked a bit after today's results. Sorry if it takes a while to update, I am in fact in New Zealand at the moment working a night shift, so I have to wait until VODs to watch and update (because I'd love to see what happens without going to the LR)
On November 02 2011 07:39 NKsc2 wrote: [quote] So what? Naniwa got further than IdrA in every MLG he entered. He still got a code A spot no exception. Demuslim got thru the open losers bracket in 1 mlg yea. He still did not get top4 foreigners at any MLG which the deal was in order to get a code A spot! And who cares if they're both good? So are naniwa/sase. And these invites are so random and BOTH are from TeamEG. I can't help but feel like there's something going on between EG and gomTV... Suddenly out of nowhere demuslim and gets an invitation to the up/down matches without getting top 8 in (the new 48 player) code A. If anything, Sase deserves it. He's practicing soo hard in korea right now and he beat bomber in mlg (so did idra, but idra did it as zerg, sase did it as protoss which is more impressive). Not that I care THAT much, I'm just a big fan of SaSe/Naniwa and not a very big fan of unfairness and bribery (if that is what happened, if not, i am sorry). But either way, if EG pays gomtv for it, then thats money for esports and that's fine I guess...
Hey mate, can you read?
NaNiwa and SaSe were seeded as part of the MLG/GSL exchange program. IdrA and DeMusliM will be seeded directly into the Up/Down matches for next season (probably GSL January as I don't think they'll play over Christmas & New Year). Both IdrA and DeMusliM are placed due to the league exchange program.
Does that answer your question instead of throwing wild accusations at GOM & EG? Please learn to read next time.
EDIT: If you notice, they(IdrA and DeMu) weren't specifically stated that they came from the MLG/GSL league exchange. It just says league exchange.
How did that answer my question in ANY WAY. You're the one that needs to learn to read and get your facts straight. Idra and demuslim got in by a league exchange. There is ONLY ONE official league exchange which is MLG/GSL. I can not come up with ANYTHING other than EG gomTV having some kind of deal. Once again, I'm not accusing anybody, this is just speculations. But that's the only thing I can think of. Bit of a scandal that's never going to reach the public (if that's the case) but w/e.
I'm surprised no one else seems to care about this, I guess as long as people get to see their "foreign hopes" in tournaments they don't care how they got there. It does seem like EG has cut a deal with GSL because why else would both of the random invites be from their team?
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
No he got it from rakaka's Road to Korea tournament. He beat Naniwa in the finals.
On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote: Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt.
Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
You mean like how FXO.int got to participate in GSTL, or FUnited coming together with 3 foreign players and 3 other Koreans who weren't in the GSL by then? Did those deals seem pretty shady at all considering that none of their players were inside GSL barring Sheth, who was also an invite? How about Sase, where one of his invites was off a CPL second place? Or Jinro, who was offered a free Code A spot when he fell out of the GSL league system entirely?
No. I'm pretty sure GOM is doing smart business by allocating invites in a discretionary manner in order to get more live audience to turn in, and they can use it however they want. There was probably alot of discussion behind the curtains to make the deal fall through, but I doubt GOM was motivated by some physical exchange of cash just so that EG could send 2 players of their own. Mr Chae has already mentioned that he's been more than willing to accommodate *qualified* individuals in the foreigner scene should they make any applications. It's a win-win for everyone, even you and I. GOM needs no extra moolah to invite tip top foreigners into their own league. These invites keep their brand extremely relevant to the foreigner scene - to make sure interest is sustained there.
On a sidenote, how many other foreigner players near the skill level of Sase/IdrA are making their desires to compete in Code A known to GOM?
What are you talking about? The new teamleague format makes the teamleague open to anybody who wants to attend, there's no ranking system anymore. FXOpen was no exception by any means, nor was foreigner united. I guess we have different stands then. Agree to disagree. I'm against cheating and bribing, you're not, that's all I can say. Even if it means that Idra/demuslim would have to work their way thru code A just like Sase, Naniwa, Sjow, Jinro, SeleCT and everybody else who isn't a part of TeamEG. I don't think being on the richest team should grant you the rights to cutting in line. Unless I get some kind of reason that isn't "well they deserved it anyways, idra worked hard, demuslim broke his leg bla bla" I can say that I've lost all my respect for teamEG and alot of respect for gomTV aswell.
Missed my point completely. I'm against cheating and bribing too. I'm saying that no cheating/bribing took place and there's no need to bribe GOM to get yourself into any spot in the GSL (barring Code S I suppose) if:
1) You've proven yourself to have a noticeable fanbase. 2) You've had some noticeable results.
Since absolutely no ranking was required to take part in the teamleague, why the hell did they go out of their way to accomodate these foreigners (in the foreigner house for FXOpen) instead of accepting some random unknown Korean team into GSTL? There are a couple of them out there.
By your standards, you should also lose respect for Sase because he got a free Code A spot with some second place finish in CPL. Sase didn't have to go through Code B like a ton of foreigners did - hey that must be unfair! There are also a ton of foreigners out there with first/second place finishes off tournaments of that scale. Why didn't they get an invite into Code A at all?
What does it matter at which stage of the GSL were they inserted into? All it matters is if they're worth the entertainment value given their position and if they're deemed capable by GOM to compete in there.
Ok, you're against bribing. But still not against cheating and unfairness. And you're still spewing out lies with every post you make. Sase did NOT get into code A by 2nd place in CPL, he got in there by an agreement with Rakaka.se (swedish e-sport site) and gomTV (sort of like the MLG program except it's a one time tournament financed by rakaka) to have a tournament called "Vägen till Korea" or "Road to Korea" in english. It's a tournament where all swedish top sc2 players fights for a trip to korea, a spot in code A and a guaranteed spot in the gom house. Sase played amazingly and beat naniwa in the finals. So he hearned his spot. He entered a tournament qualifying for code A, won it, earned his spot. Now idra and demuslim still hasn't earned their spot. Once again, you still have no defense for what you're saying. gomTV doesn't do wildcards. When idra gave up his code S spot, the code A had a separate online tournament for the spot, they didn't go "hey, let's give this spot to someone with a big fan base".
Uh, but this is Sase's 3rd GSL. He qualified for October because of his success in CPL.
This is not some EG conspiracy. GOM is desperate for foreigners. If a top foreigner simply asks for a Code A spot, GOM will likely accommodate him.
EDIT: And not sure on this, but wasn't he given one for November too? Don't think MLG Orlando was for this GSL considering Naniwa took an MLG seeed and he wasn't at Orlando. Could be wrong on that though.
Ok, I was wrong then. He got a spot from CPL? I guess they had an exchange thing going on there too then, didn't know that. From what I've heard, Jinro gave him his spot. Don't think jinro would blatantly lie here, but w/e. What exhange program did idra get into up& down by? And demuslim?
They don't need any exchange program. They just give it out for whatever reason they want. Like Huk/Haypro/Ret/Moonglade in March, and Sase for his CPL win. Not everything needs a glorified reason behind it. Just like how Ace, the winner of IEM, gets to replace IdrA in the Up/Downs for Code A/S.
Jinro didn't lie. Just because he rejected the free spot and chose to go through the qualifiers instead doesn't mean he has the authority to confer the spot upon anyone else. GOM decided to give this spot to Sase on those grounds.
Ye. I guess the difference is everybody that got in that wasn't from TeamEG got into code A and not straight into the up & down matches.
Because this is the FIRST season with this new format change and you'd like to be the first to bitch about it so long as it isn't a player you want, right? So where's your evidence of bribery?
Saying it's bribery is dumb, but to say that there isn't something fishy here is as well. At most GOM should've sent the other Semi Finalists from last Season Code A to Up and Downs and not just given it to foreigners. No one would be able to claim favoritism since the Semi Finalist at least earned it just last month. It's just strange.
The new format change picture explicitly shows that 2 foreigners will be joining Up/Downs. Like I said, they're not invoking any special condition in their rulebook to allocate 2 spots to bring 2 EG guys in. They're simply doing it because they want to give foreigners a priviledged spot. Next season another two (interested) foreigners will be hopping in at the same spot. Who is still going to be complaining by then?
On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote: Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt.
Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
hmm? stc just qualified, after his impressive results at foreign events. i'd give him a chance to prove he's legit now before calling him out as crap.
On November 03 2011 09:09 Yaki wrote: Curious vs TheStC just gonna be sick can't believe one of those two is gonna fall to Code B they are both Code S level players without a doubt.
Except TheStC has only done good in foreign events like Puma.. who can't even get through the first round of Code A qualifier.
... because he was in the military until recently. this is what, his second GSL season where he could even try and qual? maybe 3rd...
I know it's been said before, but I really love the new format. The best part IMO is that the Code-S losers (pre-ro8) continue fighting in code A. There's no "placed 3rd in the ro32, so see you next season". All that talent gets folded back in to the tournament, and continue providing meaningful matches.
Code A has already provided epic matches and it's only been 1 day. Just imagine when some more code S guys get into the mix.
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