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On October 28 2011 01:12 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:On October 28 2011 01:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:On October 28 2011 00:55 Engore wrote:
That looks quite a bit better. I'm interested to see what happens now. Might have to borrow my brothers paypal and buy GSL nov so I can get the vods.
Only have one question right now. IdrA and Demuslim will be in the code A ro48 right? I guess they are going for GSL Nov. Or will they be the 2 international seeds that are put into up and downs?
From how I read it, they should be in ro48 since they have code A seeds. The 2 international spots are for people that GSL invites? Someone like WhiteRa if he wanted to go. Maybe PuMa? Or some other code B player that they think deserves a shot? PuMa would not get the international spot, as he's a Korean player (one that failed in the first round of Code A qualifiers this month) I would assume that IdrA and DeMusliM will end up starting in the Code A Ro48, that makes the most sense. Idra/Demu could also end up as the two seeded Up and Down players. Personally I'd like to see Idra/Jinro be the two seeded international players into up and downs because they both were code S material at one point. Or idra/(Sase/Nani) if Jinro wants to qualify normally (so sad he was 1 game away  ) I don't think IdrA/DeMusliM will be the two seeded Up and Down players, as they weren't the only two offered a Code A spot from MLG Orlando.
Unless liquipedia isn't updated MLG hasn't announced ANYONE getting code A spots from Raleigh. Also EG wasn't going to announce "Idra/Demuslim to Up/Down Matches" because
a) They didn't want to rain on GSL's announcement parade
b) They weren't aware of the format
Most likely a if that were the case
EDIT: Just read the GSL Nov. Page (I had been looking on MLG-GSL exchange page) and Sase/Nani are getting the code A seeds. This, to me, looks like stronger evidence to suggest Idra/Demu getting the up and down seeds.
It COULD work that
1st and 2nd highest placing foreigners Up and Down seed
3rd/4th Code A seed
Or something like that
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On October 28 2011 01:16 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:12 VirgilSC2 wrote:On October 28 2011 01:06 chipmonklord17 wrote:On October 28 2011 01:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:On October 28 2011 00:55 Engore wrote:
That looks quite a bit better. I'm interested to see what happens now. Might have to borrow my brothers paypal and buy GSL nov so I can get the vods.
Only have one question right now. IdrA and Demuslim will be in the code A ro48 right? I guess they are going for GSL Nov. Or will they be the 2 international seeds that are put into up and downs?
From how I read it, they should be in ro48 since they have code A seeds. The 2 international spots are for people that GSL invites? Someone like WhiteRa if he wanted to go. Maybe PuMa? Or some other code B player that they think deserves a shot? PuMa would not get the international spot, as he's a Korean player (one that failed in the first round of Code A qualifiers this month) I would assume that IdrA and DeMusliM will end up starting in the Code A Ro48, that makes the most sense. Idra/Demu could also end up as the two seeded Up and Down players. Personally I'd like to see Idra/Jinro be the two seeded international players into up and downs because they both were code S material at one point. Or idra/(Sase/Nani) if Jinro wants to qualify normally (so sad he was 1 game away ) I don't think IdrA/DeMusliM will be the two seeded Up and Down players, as they weren't the only two offered a Code A spot from MLG Orlando. Unless liquipedia isn't updated MLG hasn't announced ANYONE getting code A spots from Raleigh. Also EG wasn't going to announce "Idra/Demuslim to Up/Down Matches" because a) They didn't want to rain on GSL's announcement parade b) They weren't aware of the format Most likely a if that were the case
Liquipedia says Sase and Naniwa is in code A. Dunno about the up & down seeds tho
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On October 28 2011 01:15 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:09 Woony wrote:On October 28 2011 01:00 Mephyss wrote:
I dont like the idea of having a code S guy going to code B in the same season specially if they keep the low ammount of games they do now. 2 code S and 2 code A games lost and you are out.
Well you have to see, it's now also easier to get into Code S again. The big problem is that if you play poorly once and drop out of Code S, you have to wait a season to compete in it. It's not so bad when it was very difficult to drop out but now that it's easier, it's going to be a problem. Sure, it's easier to come back to Code S but why should a player who regained their form have to wait that long?
Because for a time they weren't Code S material? I think that's pretty self explanatory. If you play poorly enough to only drop down to Code A, and you retain Code A, you can be back in Code S next season, but if you're slumping hard enough to fall all the way out of the GSL, I think most players deserve a season without Code S, if they can re-qualify for Code A, and make it back into Code S the season after that, then they'll have regained their Code S status as a reward for the hard work.
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On October 28 2011 01:15 I)etox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:10 Thurken wrote:
Will there be a code a champion? A code a final or something? No. Code A is basically the loser's bracket of Code S now. Essentially, GOM streamlined GSL by smashing Code S and Code A together. Personally, I think this is a good idea because it will lead to much more variety in the matchups but it will also lead to a lot of instability (i.e. Code S champion can be knocked down to Code B very quickly if he's unlucky/slumping).
Well i don't see it as a loser's bracket because usually there is a loser's bracket final and players from the loser bracket get a chance to go to the current winner bracket (and not the tournament a month after).
I see it as a qualifier and that makes it less interesting to watch imo. But it may better for the players.
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On October 28 2011 01:18 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:15 andrewlt wrote:On October 28 2011 01:09 Woony wrote:On October 28 2011 01:00 Mephyss wrote:
I dont like the idea of having a code S guy going to code B in the same season specially if they keep the low ammount of games they do now. 2 code S and 2 code A games lost and you are out.
Well you have to see, it's now also easier to get into Code S again. The big problem is that if you play poorly once and drop out of Code S, you have to wait a season to compete in it. It's not so bad when it was very difficult to drop out but now that it's easier, it's going to be a problem. Sure, it's easier to come back to Code S but why should a player who regained their form have to wait that long? Because for a time they weren't Code S material? I think that's pretty self explanatory. If you play poorly enough to only drop down to Code A, and you retain Code A, you can be back in Code S next season, but if you're slumping hard enough to fall all the way out of the GSL, I think most players deserve a season without Code S, if they can re-qualify for Code A, and make it back into Code S the season after that, then they'll have regained their Code S status as a reward for the hard work.
Yea, I agree with this, well said.
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By the looks of it, it will mean a lot less Terran Players in Code S. It seems like GomTV realized that many of the Code S Terrans would not be Code S at all if they played another race, just like one of the Code S players stated in the last group nominations. I love it :D
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god damn this is complicated. Interesting none the less. Always cool to see change in formats once in a while.
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this seems good, should hopefully allow new players to get into code S.
So only 8 out of the initial 32 code S players are definitiely gonna get a code S spot for next season?
the 3rd and 4th from each group will go into the code A tournament at different stages? And the top 2 will play in another group stage?
do we know how this stage is formed?
is it 1st and 2nd from group A placed with 1st and 2nd of group B for example?
Or would it be A and H?
looking forward to this, seems like theres alot more going on 
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On October 27 2011 19:39 nilssonen wrote:I feel its abit harsh to be able to drop "two" leagues in one season. Going 4th in Code S -> getting matched against a up&comer from Code B and losing will result in having to requailfy. I feel that it should take 2 seasons to drop 2 leagues, but maybe thats just me 
Meh. It goes both ways. A player who came from the code a qualifiers could easily make Code S.
Either way, Falling totally out of GSL is probably not gonna happen often. I expect at least 25 Code S players to return to Code S for January
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Why USA and Asia don't have any clue of making tournament schemes?
Don't be mad with me. It's just i don't think we need this mess to make a tournament like GSL.
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Seems like a good change. Glad they tried to do something to reduce the bottleneck for Code S. The only thing I will miss out on is some epic Code A finals we've had.
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OMG are you guys thinking properly? This format is terrible. Imagine Nestea has a bad week and he loses his group in code s (maybe he happened to have the toughest group or something). he gets sent down to code a first round. Now he gets cheesed out or happens to play a really good player like sage and loses a close series. boom nestea is out of gsl. lol this format is garbage.
also with this format, who exactly is code S and code A? If you're a code s player and then lose in the second round (thus being sent down to code a) does that make you code A or code S? Lol this is very weird.
Overall what i think is happening here is that gsl wants more diversity (less terrans?) and turnover in their tournament. That may sound appealing but what they really are doing is making the gsl more random. Code S will no longer represent the best players in the world but rather the hottest players of recent, or the players who were able to get favorable matchups along the way.
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Poland3772 Posts
It blows.
A player can - starting in Code S - disappear from GSL completely in a matter of three matches (4 sets? 2 loses in Code S and then a lose in Code A Ro48 which is Bo3?).
On the other hand in order to get to Code S it's hard work: qualifiers and Code A.
So one season slump to be out and two seasons to get back in?
Second - why there is this silly separation Code A/Code S? Why can't a player have just one, long, great run from qualifiers to the very final? Why it is forbidden for a player to have one short peak of efficiency which will bring him (or her) ultimate trophy?
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Who likes chutes an ladders?
Seriously though, I think it would be a bit better if you couldn't drop to code B in one season. On the other hand, code A being group play could be a big improvement, so we'll see.
Ironic note, with no code A finals, are all Gom TV finals doomed to mediocrity now?
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Poland3772 Posts
On October 28 2011 01:32 RedMosquito wrote:
OMG are you guys thinking properly? This format is terrible. Imagine Nestea has a bad week and he loses his group in code s (maybe he happened to have the toughest group or something). he gets sent down to code a first round. Now he gets cheesed out or happens to play a really good player like sage and loses a close series. boom nestea is out of gsl. lol this format is garbage.
also with this format, who exactly is code S and code A? If you're a code s player and then lose in the second round (thus being sent down to code a) does that make you code A or code S? Lol this is very weird.
Overall what i think is happening here is that gsl wants more diversity (less terrans?) and turnover in their tournament. That may sound appealing but what they really are doing is making the gsl more random. Code S will no longer represent the best players in the world but rather the hottest players of recent, or the players who were able to get favorable matchups along the way.
I agree!
They could use some already tested format: double elimination, single elimination, swiss Bo3 system with playoffs for top4 players or something like this.
Geez. Even MLG copy - but more stretched in time - would be great.
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On October 27 2011 19:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
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So each season 24 players can get kicked out of the GSL. Up to 8 Code S players can end up in Code B too (previously they could only drop down to Code A).
Well i cant really see a Code S player not make top3 his group in code S (make last place) and tehn lose code a ... well
i think ro48 in code A have to be groups then its perfect !
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Looks to me like st adjust is also meant to shake up the code s tournament with a much higher turnover of 3:1 rather than 2:1. Which makes sense seeing how long it would take for all the terrans to drop from code s given the current format. The compensation by adding more safety nets in code a is good one and we likely won't see good players drop to code b often and will see plenty of games from good up and comers.
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One thing we really haven't pointed out is that it's FAR easier to go from Code A to Code S, now.
Previously, you had to win 2 Bo3s to make Up & Downs. Then win, effectively, another 2 Bo3s (that are harder to prepare for) in the Up & Down matches. Or win 5 series to win all of Code A.
Now, after qualifying, you simply need to:
- Win Ro48 Code A
- Win Ro32 Code A
- Win Ro24 Code A
Then you're in Code S. Though the quality of players will be higher, generally.
But! If you at least win Ro48, you are in the Up & Down matches. So, a WHOLE lot more chances to go to Code S.
However, Ro48 Code A is going to be the most brutal thing around. Real "1 and done" scenario. Though with 20 new Code A spots via the Qualifiers + ESV online tournament + other invites, it's also easier to get back in.
Edit:
Another way to think about it: Win 3 Bo3 and you get 1500 USD (Code S spot payout for next season). That's a good bit better reason to justify the time over there for the tournament, now.
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On October 28 2011 01:36 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 01:32 RedMosquito wrote:
OMG are you guys thinking properly? This format is terrible. Imagine Nestea has a bad week and he loses his group in code s (maybe he happened to have the toughest group or something). he gets sent down to code a first round. Now he gets cheesed out or happens to play a really good player like sage and loses a close series. boom nestea is out of gsl. lol this format is garbage.
also with this format, who exactly is code S and code A? If you're a code s player and then lose in the second round (thus being sent down to code a) does that make you code A or code S? Lol this is very weird.
Overall what i think is happening here is that gsl wants more diversity (less terrans?) and turnover in their tournament. That may sound appealing but what they really are doing is making the gsl more random. Code S will no longer represent the best players in the world but rather the hottest players of recent, or the players who were able to get favorable matchups along the way. I agree! They could use some already tested format: double elimination, single elimination, swiss Bo3 system with playoffs for top4 players or something like this. Geez. Even MLG copy - but more stretched in time - would be great.
I totally agree with both of you.
At least a player like Sage will have a better chance to get in code now.
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also in this way code S is possible not much longer 80% terrans,
with old system it would need nearly 1 year to make it balanced again with 1/3 t p and z and this is the only way to do it faster
still i think they need to make it GROUPS code A ro48 !
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