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Fubi
2228 Posts
That's a pretty dumb decision imo. Wouldn't the best course of action be simply just leaving thing as is for another month? All this does is potentially screwing some decent/deserved Code S players over simply due to chance and volatility of the game. Anyone in Code S atm (yes even Nestea), can get unlucky/cheesed and lose 2 Bo1's, then get matched up against a decent up and coming player like Forgg or TheSTC, and lose a Bo3, then get knocked out of Code S in 4 maps. Sounds fun. | ||
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:23 Fubi wrote: So, GOM realized that it is a major problem with this new system if group stages stay as Bo1, and they know for a fact that they won't have time to reschedule to change them into Bo3 until next year, and yet the went ahead and implemented this anyways? That's a pretty dumb decision imo. Wouldn't the best course of action be simply just leaving thing as is for another month? All this does is potentially screwing some decent/deserved Code S players over simply due to chance and volatility of the game. Anyone in Code S atm (yes even Nestea), can get unlucky/cheesed and lose 2 Bo1's, then get matched up against a decent up and coming player like Forgg or TheSTC, and lose a Bo3, then get knocked out of Code S in 4 maps. Sounds fun. They were bo1 before this format change too no? Do you even watch GSL? | ||
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CookieMaker
Canada880 Posts
On October 27 2011 19:09 sitromit wrote: So there's no longer really a Code A tournament, there won't be a Code A winner, it's just a qualifier and nothing more... I don't know how I feel about that. It was nice to have Code A finals, we had some good ones... THis said it very well. I actually enjoyed watching the Code A finals because it was always someone fresh and talented and not always tvt. If someone won Code A, they were pretty fricken sick because they had to make it there through supreme cheesers. I always rooted for the Code A winners at MLG. Now its just a qualifier? no excitement there. | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:25 Choboo wrote: They were bo1 before this format change too no? Do you even watch GSL? On October 31 2011 16:23 Fubi wrote: So, GOM realized that it is a major problem with this new system if group stages stay as Bo1 Clearly, I stated it is more of a problem with this new system. And clearly I knew it was already Bo1 as implied when I said "if the groups STAY as Bo1". Do you even read? Yes, it sucked in the old system too, and people had valid concerns for it as well. But it isn't as bad, because there is still a buffer of Up & Downs before you can get knocked out. 3 Steps to getting knocked out isn't as bad as 2 steps. The game is volatile enough as it is, it shouldn't be complemented with a volatile tournament system, but instead the other way around. | ||
nimdil
Poland3775 Posts
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jamessooy
11 Posts
Anyways, I made a version that tracks the progress of players, but that made more sense to me. The colors all represent where that spot ends up after the round. ![[image loading]](http://jamessooy.com/host/sc2/gsl_format_chartSm.png) I'm not sure that it's any clearer than the GomTv version, but I hope that helps anyone still having trouble. | ||
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Mylkyjo
Australia110 Posts
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On October 31 2011 20:22 nimdil wrote: Funny thing. They created even more complicated format and yet the most awesome GSL tournament was Super Tournament. Plain and simple. Do you have the tournament format of this one ? A link ? | ||
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jamessooy
11 Posts
On November 01 2011 11:19 Mylkyjo wrote: ^ Code S round of 16 is also a group stage, with 1st and 2nd from each group advancing. OMG! Totally missed that. I'm going to have to assume they're 4 person groups like the Ro32... thanks for the catch. Edit: Ok, at least that part is fixed. | ||
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tns
1054 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:05 tns wrote: how sase and naniwa managed to get MLG seed? any clue? | ||
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
Anyways I prefer this system by a huge margin, may lead us to something like 15 terrans in code s at some wonderful point in time. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On November 01 2011 10:57 jamessooy wrote: I just posted this chart in the [GSL] Nov Preview thread, but realize now it belongs here. I'll repeat it here and maybe a Mod can get rid of the other one. Anyways, I made a version that tracks the progress of players, but that made more sense to me. The colors all represent where that spot ends up after the round. [image removed for brevity] I'm not sure that it's any clearer than the GomTv version, but I hope that helps anyone still having trouble. I've added this chart to the topicstart, cheers. | ||
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BarbieHsu
574 Posts
I wish that to mitigate the effects of Code S players heading all the way to Code B, that they are thrown a bone like being seeded very highly in the offline qualifiers at least. It just seems wrong to be relegated two divisions so suddenly. It will happen. Maybe to Yugioh, maybe to asd. Maybe to MKP. But it will happen, and it will suck, and although we may get used to it eventually, maybe they'll figure out some adjustment to the system that will allow for this. | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
On October 31 2011 16:31 CookieMaker wrote: THis said it very well. I actually enjoyed watching the Code A finals because it was always someone fresh and talented and not always tvt. If someone won Code A, they were pretty fricken sick because they had to make it there through supreme cheesers. I always rooted for the Code A winners at MLG. Now its just a qualifier? no excitement there. Thats actually not true either. Code A is basically the same tournament as Code S now. If there is no excitement there then you imply that there is no excitement in Code S. You can win the whole tournament coming from Code A. Code A and S is something like a double elimination system now, where some start in the lower bracket and some start in the upper bracket, with there being several ways of getting into either one of them. Basically, if you have a code A spot, you are already golden (regarding foreigners), you could potentially win the whole thing (pointing at our EG guys, idra, demuslim and huk aswell ofc) | ||
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BigKahunaBurger
Australia334 Posts
On November 02 2011 01:48 gh0un wrote: Thats actually not true either. Code A is basically the same tournament as Code S now. If there is no excitement there then you imply that there is no excitement in Code S. You can win the whole tournament coming from Code A. Code A and S is something like a double elimination system now, where some start in the lower bracket and some start in the upper bracket, with there being several ways of getting into either one of them. Basically, if you have a code A spot, you are already golden (regarding foreigners), you could potentially win the whole thing (pointing at our EG guys, idra, demuslim and huk aswell ofc) Code B is now the sole qualifier for the tournament that consists of Code S and A. Well I mean, not really no. You only qualify for the next GSL. You don't get placed into a semi final. You can win the next season sure, but it's not like the Championship Bracket at MLG. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16127 Posts
On November 02 2011 01:48 gh0un wrote: Thats actually not true either. Code A is basically the same tournament as Code S now. If there is no excitement there then you imply that there is no excitement in Code S. You can win the whole tournament coming from Code A. Code A and S is something like a double elimination system now, where some start in the lower bracket and some start in the upper bracket, with there being several ways of getting into either one of them. Basically, if you have a code A spot, you are already golden (regarding foreigners), you could potentially win the whole thing (pointing at our EG guys, idra, demuslim and huk aswell ofc) Code B is now the sole qualifier for the tournament that consists of Code S and A. Not exactly. You can't go straight from Code A to Code S champion in one season. The best you can do with this format is make it from Code A to Code S in a single season which is the same as how it worked in the previous format. This format's main goal is to lessen the Code S bottleneck so that is easier for people to move up out of Code A and also to increase the overall size of Code A making it easier for people to qualify from Code B. | ||
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gh0un
601 Posts
On November 02 2011 01:56 Vindicare605 wrote: Not exactly. You can't go straight from Code A to Code S champion in one season. The best you can do with this format is make it from Code A to Code S in a single season which is the same as how it worked in the previous format. This format's main goal is to lessen the Code S bottleneck so that is easier for people to move up out of Code A and also to increase the overall size of Code A making it easier for people to qualify from Code B. Well yeah youre right, but if you are in Code A now, you basically have two BIG chances to get into code S, either by winning in the RO24, or by winning in the RO48 and then being guaranteed to go into the up and down matches. From there you are guaranteed a code A spot for next season and you can even qualify for code S. Its much better anyhow. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_November#Prize_Pool That has to be wrong, since according to the new format, there is no longer a Code A champion, or anything past the Ro24 for that matter. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:08 dabom88 wrote: How does the Prize money for Code A work now? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/GSL_November#Prize_Pool That has to be wrong, since according to the new format, there is no longer a Code A champion, or anything past the Ro24 for that matter. That section probably hasn't been updated yet, as there is no Code A champion or prize pool anymore. | ||
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:27 Rannasha wrote: That section probably hasn't been updated yet, as there is no Code A champion or prize pool anymore. There's no more Code A prize pool period? | ||
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