EPTThe New GSL Format Explained - Page 19
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Tosho
Australia498 Posts
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adiga
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Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell | ||
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ArchDC
Malaysia1996 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:52 adiga wrote: I feel like this will defiantly not courage foreigners trying to get into Code S. Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell The group stages are in Code S, that means a foreigner first has to GET IN Code S. Besides Huk has been able to travel and play in Code S. It is NOT a fulltime 2month commitment in any way, look at the this schedule again: http://i.imgur.com/r34fu.png http://i.imgur.com/akpeH.png A code S champion will play 4 times a season, A fresh code A player will play 3 or 4 times a season to get into Code S, if you fall in code A ro32 there's TWO WEEKS until up and down matches, and 1 week if you lose in ro24. Coupled with the fact that if you play late in the code S ro32 or code A ro48 there's lots of time to go play in other tournaments. Additonally keeping the season going after the finals is fine, since Code A is now a pure qualifier you can look at it as such | ||
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Hoodlum
United States350 Posts
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Alnitak
United States5 Posts
And now it looks like we have another round with that?? lamesauce. The rest of the changes I am open to, and will have to see it in action before passing judgement. It is convoluted, so hopefully its not too confusing for any new fans. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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SkimGuy
Canada709 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:52 adiga wrote: I feel like this will defiantly not courage foreigners trying to get into Code S. Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell Since you decided to post your thoughts in two threads, I'll post my response to you in both of them too. Foreigners aren't all that matters to GOM. They want the best of the best playing in their Code S tournament. And if players are only hanging on to their Code S medallions from sheer luck in their Bo1's then this format will punish them, and create new openings for more skilled players to poke their heads into Code S. The direct seeding into the up/downs gives foreigners a chance to make it into Code S directly, or just into Code A. So I think it encourages Foreigners a lot more then just getting seeded into Code A. Also a lot of foreigners aren't discouraged to join the GSL because of the format, their discouraged because they aren't like Koreans; They haven't tried practice a million hours a day, 5-7 days a week, and it's in a different country with a different language, so home sickness and the language barrier deters them away from living the Korean pro-gaming style. Only the people who are truly dedicated to performing well do this. That is why I, specifically, want to see Incontrol over in Korea to learn how to get better. Also nothing is impossible, you say a new player in Korea has to go through 5 players just to maintain code S level.. I don't know what you're saying.. You can only get Code S from making your way through Code A or the Up/Downs, and if you do make it there then why should Code S be easy to get into and maintain? Isn't it the most prestigious tournament rank in SC2 at this moment? Why should you be easily able to get in, and stay in? Also GomTV paid everyone in Code S over this last year. The further they make it the more they got. They paid people in Code A too, but not nearly as much as Code S. So EVERYONE used to get prize money, I'm not sure now. Any source on only the top 8 get money? I would of thought that it would of remained the same, maybe they would of taken out paying the Code A guys since there is so many of them. Also 12 players from Code A get into Code S automatically from the Ro.24 and the losers go into the Up/Down's, 12 players come out of the Up/Down's and 8 players remain in Code S after making it out of the group stages. + Show Spoiler + Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. What are you trying to say here? I can't quite understand. 12 players make it out of Code A directly into Code S. I love watching pro-gamers push themselves, and strive, to be the best player in the world. Not just the foreign scene. The prize money should be the least of their concerns when they're playing. Money matters to most people, but money doesn't really matter to the players who want to do well. 2 months in Korea, in the most prestigious tournament in SC2 should be motivation to do well. It just shows that foreigners who participate in this are pretty dedicated, this is entirely opinion based. Also before you start sprouting a post about the new format get some of your facts straight. It's Bo3's, as John said on the stream. So it's not 70% based on luck, it's based on skill. And can you link a source as to anyone of note-worthy saying that this new format is meant to balance the races? To me it's to weed out the inferior players in Code S that are hanging on because they win 2 bo1's to stay in Code S. I personally don't mind how long the tournament is. It just gives players enough time to rest, prepare for their opponent(s). This to me, allows us to see high level play from them since they should be at their peaks. Obviously the will give this format a few chances to prove it's worth. It's going to take some getting used to from a spectators perspective but I think overall it's a great way to weed out the weaker Code S players and replace them with the stronger Code A players. It's all to have a tournament where you have to always play your best otherwise you're out of GSL all together. You NEED to perform well or you're out. It also gives a lot of other low profile players that struggle in qualifiers to show their play on TV and earn them some fans since there's 20 players coming out of the offline qualifiers. I just don't see how this format can do bad. Also.. Articulate your response with correct facts next time if you want to come off as intellectual. Bo1's aren't in GSL any more as far as anyone knows since John said group stages are Bo3's. Up/Down's might be bo1's but I'm sure they will be Bo3's too since Group stages are. Also 3rd & 4th go to Code A not 2nd & 3rd. Also try not to say you don't know something when trying to state your opinion, it just makes you look uninformed. Edit: Ohh wow. Mr Chae said Code S remains Bo1? Why did John say Code S group plays is Bo3? I'm now utterly confused. I guess I have to get my own correct facts ;_; | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
too complicated. This could easily be simplified if they just wanted to freshen up the murkey waters of Code S (yaaay no more people like FD/Tester/HongUn clinging to their spots FOREVER). | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
The most important thing though, is that it's easier to fall out of code S now. Time to weed out the undeserving 3rd rate terrans. Nonetheless there are safeguards for players who get unlucky or cheesed out because they can still requalify for code S next season as long as they prove themselves in code A or the up and down matches. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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DTK920
Canada46 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:40 DTK920 wrote: I love this!!!! makes comebacks a lot more possible compared to the old unforgiving system. Imagine if a group like MKP, Nestea, MVP, MMA was made in the old system...... 2 insanely good players would immediately become code A.... looking forward to more entertaining games and combacks now. I don't think you understood how the old system worked... 1 player used to drop to up and down where they could win and end up in Code S again next season and the person in 3rd stayed in Code S. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
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DonaldLee
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pt
United States813 Posts
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clever_us
United States329 Posts
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Stipulation
United States587 Posts
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