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CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 27 2011 21:34 GMT
#321
-.- Wow that just hurt my brain to read lawl... I think I like it, but time will tell if it works well
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Corrupted
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1255 Posts
October 27 2011 21:37 GMT
#322
I'm surprised so many people are in love with the idea of people being completely washed out of televised GSL matches, even when starting from Code A, and yet they still maintain the bo1 format in early stages of Code S. If there are some wonky matchups, there is no doubt that some fantastic players will get wiped out quite quickly. Players like Nestea and MVP have lost in the group stages before.
"MarineKing rolling double sevens there" -Artosis
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
October 27 2011 21:38 GMT
#323
HAHAHA! I loved the spoiler at the end! Pretty hilarious, yet so true.

I'm liking the new GSL format. It integrates Code S and Code A a little bit better.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 27 2011 21:45 GMT
#324
So the twitter post says "code s group matches Bo1". That includes the second stage of group matches as well, the Ro16? With only 4 groups instead of 8 I hope they do Bo3 at that point.
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
October 27 2011 21:46 GMT
#325
On October 28 2011 01:59 Infenwe wrote:
My problem with the GSL format has always been that someone who gets knocked out of Code A is with overwhelming probability never heard from again because qualifying is (a) hard as nails and (b) subject to huge amounts of variance.


The same people go far in the code B qualifiers over and over again. (Z)JookTo is an example of how your claim is wrong; he's in code A now. A while ago, he was the lowest code S seed coming out of the 2010 opens and subsequently embarrassed out of the GSL. So it's possible to come back.
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
October 27 2011 21:51 GMT
#326
Looking at Code A there is some interesting parts.

RO32 - 24 from Code A, 8 from Code S. At least 16 Code A players can get to the next round without meeting a Code S player.

RO24 - 16 players from Code A/S. At least 8 players from Code A/S don't have to meet a Code S player.

I wonder how they will pick who plays a Code S player. :p
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 27 2011 21:53 GMT
#327
On October 28 2011 06:46 andrea20 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 01:59 Infenwe wrote:
My problem with the GSL format has always been that someone who gets knocked out of Code A is with overwhelming probability never heard from again because qualifying is (a) hard as nails and (b) subject to huge amounts of variance.


The same people go far in the code B qualifiers over and over again. (Z)JookTo is an example of how your claim is wrong; he's in code A now. A while ago, he was the lowest code S seed coming out of the 2010 opens and subsequently embarrassed out of the GSL. So it's possible to come back.


MC coming back straight into code S? Boxer coming back as well? Yeah it's hard, but so was passing a courage tournament and getting into BW. Nobody ever said it should be easy to be a progamer and variance is a good thing so we don't have the race spread like we do.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 27 2011 21:55 GMT
#328
On October 28 2011 06:53 Lunares wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 06:46 andrea20 wrote:
On October 28 2011 01:59 Infenwe wrote:
My problem with the GSL format has always been that someone who gets knocked out of Code A is with overwhelming probability never heard from again because qualifying is (a) hard as nails and (b) subject to huge amounts of variance.


The same people go far in the code B qualifiers over and over again. (Z)JookTo is an example of how your claim is wrong; he's in code A now. A while ago, he was the lowest code S seed coming out of the 2010 opens and subsequently embarrassed out of the GSL. So it's possible to come back.


MC coming back straight into code S? Boxer coming back as well? Yeah it's hard, but so was passing a courage tournament and getting into BW. Nobody ever said it should be easy to be a progamer and variance is a good thing so we don't have the race spread like we do.


MC coming back had nothing to do with qualifiers. He won (came in 2nd) the code S seed at MLG and took it.
Lunares
Profile Joined May 2010
United States909 Posts
October 27 2011 21:57 GMT
#329
On October 28 2011 06:55 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2011 06:53 Lunares wrote:
On October 28 2011 06:46 andrea20 wrote:
On October 28 2011 01:59 Infenwe wrote:
My problem with the GSL format has always been that someone who gets knocked out of Code A is with overwhelming probability never heard from again because qualifying is (a) hard as nails and (b) subject to huge amounts of variance.


The same people go far in the code B qualifiers over and over again. (Z)JookTo is an example of how your claim is wrong; he's in code A now. A while ago, he was the lowest code S seed coming out of the 2010 opens and subsequently embarrassed out of the GSL. So it's possible to come back.


MC coming back straight into code S? Boxer coming back as well? Yeah it's hard, but so was passing a courage tournament and getting into BW. Nobody ever said it should be easy to be a progamer and variance is a good thing so we don't have the race spread like we do.


MC coming back had nothing to do with qualifiers. He won (came in 2nd) the code S seed at MLG and took it.


Having multiple ways to come back into Code S/A is exactly my point. Yes the qualifiers are hard. But there are other ways (That are equally hard imo) that people can go do, e.g. the ESV korean weeklies and MLG.
andrea20
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada441 Posts
October 27 2011 21:59 GMT
#330
On October 28 2011 06:45 Lunares wrote:
So the twitter post says "code s group matches Bo1". That includes the second stage of group matches as well, the Ro16? With only 4 groups instead of 8 I hope they do Bo3 at that point.


When you really think about it, the group stages ARE Bo3, just with different players and less preparation. 2 wins before 2 losses advances a player, just like a regular Bo3.
theBOOCH
Profile Joined November 2010
United States832 Posts
October 27 2011 22:06 GMT
#331
I like some aspects of it, like how the seeding into code a works, but I still don't think it addresses the fundamental flaws in the code a/code a qualification process.
If all you're offering is Dos Equis, I will stay thirsty thank you very much.
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
October 27 2011 22:09 GMT
#332
I like the way that in a sense Code A works as a losers bracket and the possibility of a higher turn over rate in Code S
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
October 27 2011 22:14 GMT
#333
On October 28 2011 03:06 Clefairy wrote:
Code A Bracket:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]

[image loading]


Code S Group A 4th vs IM_MinSeok

MVPKeen vs TSLRevival

iSCrazymoving vs Liquid`Hero

Code S Group B 4th vs MVPGuineaPig

ST_Superstar vs SlayerSBrown

ST_Fruitdealer vs SlayerSAlicia

Code S Group C 4th vs CreatorPrime

oGsTOP vs ST_Parting

NsHsTassadar vs DignitasSelect

Code S Group D 4th vs oGsCezanne

MVPGenius vs TSLSymbol

NsHsSage vs oGsFin (fOrGG)

Code S Group E 4th vs ST_Rainbow

TSL_JYP vs Quantic Sase

FXOLucky vs DignitasNaniwa

Code S Group F 4th vs Soccer

HongunPrime vs oGsLuvsic

MVPNoblesse vs oGsInca

Code S Group G 4th vs oGsVines

CheckPrime vs ST_Squirtle

MVPMonster vs oGsJookto

Code S Group H 4th vs oGsTheSTC

MVPDream vs SlayerSBoxer

oGsZenio vs (Teamless) Jung Min Ho

Poor Sage. (or ForGG). Also didn't Naniwa play Lucky last season as well?
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
October 27 2011 22:14 GMT
#334
Nooooo, ForGG is against Sage during the first round of Code A

My heart is torn asunder like the lands of Azeroth during the Cataclysm.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
October 27 2011 22:18 GMT
#335
Finally, GSL's format is getting sufficiently confusing for it to deserve the title of the premier tournament for it's game. Now it truly can stand on par with the 2007-2008 OSL system w/OSC, ODT, and OSL.

And as in the old days, like 10 of us will actually understand it.
Moderator
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 27 2011 22:19 GMT
#336
On October 28 2011 06:37 Corrupted wrote:
I'm surprised so many people are in love with the idea of people being completely washed out of televised GSL matches, even when starting from Code A, and yet they still maintain the bo1 format in early stages of Code S. If there are some wonky matchups, there is no doubt that some fantastic players will get wiped out quite quickly. Players like Nestea and MVP have lost in the group stages before.


I'm mixed on the new format; I like it in principle, but this is a big sticking point for me as well.

Pros
Code S dregs get filtered out even faster
Code A players have more ways into Code S
In turn this means unlucky Code S players have an easier chance getting back in (unlike Leenock)
Code A expanded, which means Code B is less brutal

Cons
Code A isn't a real tournament anymore...
Code A bracket draws are even more variable with a small percentage of Code S players being thrown in the first 2 rounds
Code S group stages are still a Bo1 (or homeless man's Bo3 if you prefer)

I really don't now what I think yet, will have to wait until GSL November is over to decide.
Jacob666
Profile Joined January 2011
United States285 Posts
October 27 2011 22:21 GMT
#337
How is the money going to be distributed? Now instead of paying 32 to finals of code s and code a it's 3 rounds of code a and Ro8 and on in code s. Any word on this?
Crisium
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1618 Posts
October 27 2011 22:24 GMT
#338
This is far better. Now maintaining Code S actually means something.
Broodwar and Stork forever! List of BW players with most Ro16, Ro8: http://tinyurl.com/BWRo16-Ro8
MerlinAthrawes
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3 Posts
October 27 2011 22:35 GMT
#339
Poll: Would you prefer to see Code S group play Best of 3s?

Yes (38)
 
93%

No (3)
 
7%

41 total votes

Your vote: Would you prefer to see Code S group play Best of 3s?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No

Remfire
Profile Joined October 2010
492 Posts
October 27 2011 22:37 GMT
#340
I really like the code S play before code A I think this ads a lot of diversity and as stated previously it helps cycle players for I feel so players whom are not preforming will be take out rather then taking a long time.
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