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Virtue
Profile Joined July 2010
United States318 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#441
This is kind of silly. Emp needed a nerf, sure. Shields never got upgraded, so lowering their cost makes sense. But why do they need cheaper Armor and Attack upgrades? I mean.. Its not like Protoss have been having a hard time upgrading their troops and getting enough of them at the same time.
Jedclark
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom903 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#442
I wonder when the change will hit? At the start of season 4 or later?
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Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#443
The EMP nerf is good, and now we just need a range nerf and a snipe change will perhaps balance the ghost. =D

And for the protoss buffs, double forge is definitely going to get more popular than it already has, and PvT will probably just be gateway units forever now.

Last thing Protoss players need is more viable air and to get rid of the colossus! =D
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FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#444
Good god we used to have 400/400 for lvl 3 shields?

No one ever got them so we never knew x.x
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Cow
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1104 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#445
I love upgrade-centric play, and I dislike EMP. I am a happy Protoss!
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Thoramas
Profile Joined April 2010
Singapore152 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#446
On October 26 2011 07:26 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:34 SpiZe wrote:
Cheaper upgrades comes from the fact that Toss doesn't benefit as the other race from ups, while roaches and marauders gets +2 by attack up, stalker only gets +1


But it's still +2 dmg, the stalker gets 2 attacks if i'm not mistaken, instead of 1. It's like the zealot or colossus.



your mistaken, stalker only attacks once
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
October 25 2011 22:27 GMT
#447
On October 26 2011 07:20 wolfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:18 Tuk wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:16 JoeAWESOME wrote:
What about snipe?

Ghost snipe, the counter to all Z tier 3 :D


then stop making t3 when they get mass ghost


Fungal on a group of ghosts is deadly, but to be honest the fear of ghosts is unwarranted as of yet. Only pros have been able to use mass ghost effectively in TvZ. I doubt your games have hinged on that fact without some other glaring flaw. Ghost transitions are difficult and costly.


Dunno I played a game three or four months back at EU gold/plat where I made a switch from marine tank to marine ghost when T3 hit, took out a good 30 broodlord/infestor/ultras mostly snipingm wasn't that hard and I was bad back then. Got me the snipe badge Felt a bit strong, but I dunno, I think the zerg player should have reacted some, he didn't really micro or change composition to deal with it, just kept funneling in big expensive things.
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
October 25 2011 22:28 GMT
#448
On October 26 2011 07:26 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:34 SpiZe wrote:
Cheaper upgrades comes from the fact that Toss doesn't benefit as the other race from ups, while roaches and marauders gets +2 by attack up, stalker only gets +1


But it's still +2 dmg, the stalker gets 2 attacks if i'm not mistaken, instead of 1. It's like the zealot or colossus.


You are mistaken Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Stalker

One of the common complaints about the Stalker is that it scales so poorly with upgrades. On the other hand, if Stalker would get +2 per attack upgrade, they might very well be too strong. The sweet spot is probably in the middle somewhere.
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HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
October 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#449
Meh, I don't care as a Terran player.

EMP radius hurts obviously, just need more micro and more attention.

As long as they don't change snipe, they can do whatever they want to other Terran units. Snipe is the only thing that keeps me alive in TvZ end game.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#450
On October 26 2011 07:26 Eschaton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 06:34 SpiZe wrote:
Cheaper upgrades comes from the fact that Toss doesn't benefit as the other race from ups, while roaches and marauders gets +2 by attack up, stalker only gets +1


But it's still +2 dmg, the stalker gets 2 attacks if i'm not mistaken, instead of 1. It's like the zealot or colossus.


You are mistaken, the stalker attacks once, and scales very badly with upgrades.
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kevinmon
Profile Joined January 2011
United States540 Posts
October 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#451
On October 26 2011 07:27 FryktSkyene wrote:
Good god we used to have 400/400 for lvl 3 shields?

No one ever got them so we never knew x.x

Wow, price of a Mothership.
Jagd
Profile Joined April 2011
United States71 Posts
October 25 2011 22:29 GMT
#452
I understand how the cheaper upgrades will help PvT, but I'm not sure about the armor/weapons upgrades in PvZ; now protoss ground costs the same as either zerg missile or zerg melee. While this makes sense because zerg will make more units than protoss, I still would like to hear what Blizzard thinks about this change wrt the other P matchups.
fLaUpYY
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany33 Posts
October 25 2011 22:30 GMT
#453
Triple Forge inC !!!!!!
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
October 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#454
On October 26 2011 07:29 Jagd wrote:
I understand how the cheaper upgrades will help PvT, but I'm not sure about the armor/weapons upgrades in PvZ; now protoss ground costs the same as either zerg missile or zerg melee. While this makes sense because zerg will make more units than protoss, I still would like to hear what Blizzard thinks about this change wrt the other P matchups.

To be fair, P is being stomped a bit both in PvT and PvZ, it'll be interesting what this upgrade buff does. It helps out early and is completely gone lategame, very small change which allows something like 3-4 more stalkers when 3/3 finishes which is nice.
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dapierow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Serbia1316 Posts
October 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#455
Ground Weops Should not have been decreased just because of the fact it works for all ground units unlike the other 2 races

the other two are fine...
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#456
On October 26 2011 07:27 FryktSkyene wrote:
Good god we used to have 400/400 for lvl 3 shields?

No one ever got them so we never knew x.x

Yeah, it was 300/300 in BW, they must have upped it when they thought Toss was OP. =(
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
October 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#457
FINALLY!
FINALLY!
Me and lots of other people have said it a lot of times that EMP is not balanced.
Well, it's going to be better after this patch. So happy ^_^
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:32:39
October 25 2011 22:31 GMT
#458
Well, the patch is not surprise at all. At Blizzcon they said that cheaper upgrades and emp with smaller radius will be good for PvT... 2-3 days later Blizzard makes it reality.
Good changes IMO. Its good for PvT and I can't see it break PvZ in any way. Aaaand some(really tiny) help for ZvT cus infestors will be a little bit harder to hit with EMP
KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
October 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#459
Psi Storm's Radius is 1.5, so you can compare 2.0 vs 1.5 Radius that way.
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 25 2011 22:32 GMT
#460
I'm happy with these changes. It will make the CreatorPrime.WE Double Forge build that much stronger against Terran :D
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