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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:21:52
October 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#401
I like these changes. I think it's fair to decrease the upgrade cost for the most gas heavy race. Also it's not like 25/25 decrease here and 50/50 there are going to cause a massive swing. It will add a couple more zealots/stalkers/sentries. A couple extra units in an army won't break the game, but it will help protoss out. Hopefully, this change will allow more Protoss to get into code S. I especially liked the cost decrease on shield upgrades. When I played protoss I often neglected shields because of how expensive they were and how little the upgrade does vs Terran.
Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
October 25 2011 22:19 GMT
#402
Good news indeed, also not sure why the weapon/armour costs need changing, cheaper charge maybe...

Kinda wish they'd do something like have an active guardian shield cancel out an emp hitting inside it (at the cost of deactivating the GS of course) Just a single emp doesn't cancel out all micro possibilities for the toss player. Would open up all kinds of micro/mind games with trying to force guardian shields by poking up a ghost. But I can't see that happening as its a code change rather than just radius/cost buffs/nerfs.
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setmeal
Profile Joined March 2011
162 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#403
Abso-fucking-lutely fantastic patch.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#404
I don't have any problems with these changes.
wolfe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States761 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#405
On October 26 2011 07:18 Tuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:16 JoeAWESOME wrote:
What about snipe?

Ghost snipe, the counter to all Z tier 3 :D


then stop making t3 when they get mass ghost


Fungal on a group of ghosts is deadly, but to be honest the fear of ghosts is unwarranted as of yet. Only pros have been able to use mass ghost effectively in TvZ. I doubt your games have hinged on that fact without some other glaring flaw. Ghost transitions are difficult and costly.
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bpat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States157 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#406
I can understand the armor and shield changes, since both were less cost effective than armor upgrades for Terran and Zerg. The EMP also needed a change, since it was a bit too strong against high templar and sentries. Not sure about the weapon upgrade cost change though...
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#407
On October 26 2011 07:18 Tuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:16 JoeAWESOME wrote:
What about snipe?

Ghost snipe, the counter to all Z tier 3 :D


then stop making t3 when they get mass ghost

If they nerfed it, I'd prefer upping energy cost to a nerf.
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#408
On October 26 2011 07:15 Treadmill wrote:
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On October 26 2011 07:12 happyness wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:08 FeyFey wrote:
well upgrade cost reduce is a nice idea to buff the toss without buffing the late late game where they are close to be overpowered (talking about 3/3/3 with 5k banked minerals late game here ).
Emp nerf is okay as it will reduce the effect of the emp barrage on casters and 100+ shield units, while the rest won't be affected. I am just worried about storm that cannot be stopped if the toss sends hts to the front. (well before it was the ghosts emps, but hey they are the expensive ones). But well ghosts survive a storm barrage so guess you can suicide some ghosts. to get rid of the storms.

Just waiting for the 25-50 mineral reduce on cost for ghosts the next patch.


Ghosts are still faster than HT's, have greater range, and can cloak unlike HT's. Oh, and they have more life, and they are 50 gas cheaper. You really don't need to worry

Honestly if a terran is controlling his ghosts right than they should beat a toss whose mainly investing in HT's

One thing that kinda annoys me about this is that "controlling his ghosts right" actually means "has sick sick micro skill". Also keeping HTs in a warp prism will always be viable.


My point is is that if the toss and terran are on an equal level micro wise, the ghosts should beat HT's.
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
October 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#409
On October 26 2011 07:16 wolfe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:14 Derez wrote:
For the people that like graphical representations:

[image loading]

Red is old, green is new.


That looks yellow, am I color blind?

It's green o.O
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44616 Posts
October 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#410
On October 26 2011 07:12 Whitewing wrote:
Hey terrans, just be happy your ghosts still hard counter the entire zerg and protoss race and EMP still does as much damage to everything it hits.

Sad thing is, the unit is still probably overpowered after this nerf.


Fixed I agree with your post too, although I think PvT may finally become bearable.

I'm also glad that there weren't too many changes in this patch; I don't think it's necessary.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Therg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden238 Posts
October 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#411
The emp change is great, but I feel that if these changes goes through TvP gonna become quite hard lategame... nerfing the costs of all upgrades is IMO overkill, only shield cost nerf would've been enough.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
October 25 2011 22:21 GMT
#412
On October 26 2011 07:16 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:
Giving protoss faster upgrades is like giving zerg more production ability, why boost something that is already best @ that race? This will give even stronger 2 base allins in PvZ.

For ghost change I dont really mind, the thing I do mind is that the protoss players will still whine like always unless the game "balance" is the way it was when PvZ was couple of months ago: sit on 3 base make coloss/void ray/stalker a-move win.

You're right, that 25/25 saved on +2 weapons is a massive buff to 2 base allins in PvZ. Thank you for enlightening us!
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#413
On October 26 2011 07:20 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:16 wolfe wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:14 Derez wrote:
For the people that like graphical representations:

[image loading]

Red is old, green is new.


That looks yellow, am I color blind?

It's green o.O


Common optic illusion. It looks yellow to most everyone.
twitch.tv/medrea
Darth Caedus
Profile Joined May 2011
United States326 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#414
EMP is only gonna be 56% as big as before. Nice.

Snipe still brutal vZ, hopefully that will be next.
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Terranist
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2496 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#415
i'm a little bit confused because protoss was more favored in the late game, but i suppose this helps them reach that stage a bit more safely as they can afford to have a few more units to defend drops while getting those upgrades.

emp nerf was needed as well, so i'm glad to see it. this change will be good for the matchup.
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SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 22:24:27
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#416
they're going for earlier upgrades to help with the cost effective problem. i like it. well done blizzard.

also emp. muahahaha!

Edit:
On October 26 2011 07:22 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:20 tnud wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:16 wolfe wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:14 Derez wrote:
For the people that like graphical representations:

[image loading]

Red is old, green is new.


That looks yellow, am I color blind?

It's green o.O


Common optic illusion. It looks yellow to most everyone.

so am i color blind if i see green?
blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#417
On October 26 2011 07:20 tnud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:16 wolfe wrote:
On October 26 2011 07:14 Derez wrote:
For the people that like graphical representations:

[image loading]

Red is old, green is new.


That looks yellow, am I color blind?

It's green o.O

Pretty sure its yellow O.o
MC and MKP fighting ^^
bigb
Profile Joined May 2011
28 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#418
hmm, zvp will be pretty hard but something needs to be done
strength
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States493 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#419
On October 26 2011 06:29 VPCursed wrote:
why does toss need cheaper upgrades, dont they get 3-3 fast enough?


Thats what I was thinking..... I dont think they need buff for upgrade cost =\
LazzarusKain
Profile Joined June 2011
United States23 Posts
October 25 2011 22:22 GMT
#420
this is gonna be sweeeet!!!! Good changes.
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