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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
On October 22 2011 19:41 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: Technically having a ball of Tempest to cover the Viking while the Colossi roast the Vikings seem to be the perfect bio killer end game. The expense of a Tempest/ Colossi ball makes the old void ray/ collosus ball look like a piggy bank job x.x That's soooo much gas too. | ||
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ETisME
12500 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:17 Goldfishz33k wrote: i think i heared they are going to cost like 300/300 so it wouldnt be cost effective cost, range, energy cost, energy limit etc are all the tools they can use to tweak the unit. It will change very easily | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
On October 22 2011 20:18 FleshlyVoid wrote: Ever heard of a race called zerg? They're pretty gas heavy dude. And you're going to make a tempest when you're facing mass mutalisk. Of course you're not going to use it in a "standard" unit composition if you're fighting roach/hydra. Zerg isn't nearly as gas heavy as Protoss lol. But you bring up a good point about Tempest > Mutalisks, thanks! | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:15 graniten wrote: i mean you can replicant a swarm host or warhound why couldnt you? because you could replicate a builder and then build the entire tech tree.. | ||
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cbueno
Ireland76 Posts
I see tears of blood everywhere. I just can imagine a shredder in the mineral line XD. "O god" is the right words here. The warhound a nightmare to deal with for toss. Another uber marauder thats also anti air! Banes borrowing pass the defenses in mass to suicide into the mineral line omfg...this is gonna be soooo not fun =(. This is probaly the most deadliest of all. This means that 4 cannons is not enough to protect a mineral line cos 8/10 banes will just pass under it and the cannons wont have enough time to kill them before they suicide on the probes..They can even suicide 20+ banes cos it will still be worth it cos you kill an entire mineral line....This means NO 3rd base unless very heavelly protected. | ||
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Vinland
Argentina136 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:07 MiLesRP wrote: watch how fast they are while burrowed, lol Damn, they move too fast outside of creep even  Gonna be a pain to handle in those awesome bronze league 4v4s (?) | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
On October 22 2011 20:59 Yosen3002 wrote: Well its pretty much the Lurker in a different fashion. The lurker basically is siegelike spacecontrol unit and imho the swarmhost is supposed to be fitting that role. Not sure if it does in its current state, but i think you can see the direction in which the unit is heading imho. Its definitely not wrong to compare it to the lurker. actually no. the swarm host doesnt control space at all, it sieges. the lurker was not a siege unit and that is something ppl need to understand about the lurker.... it was a pure space controlling unit that made u afraid to leave ur base because of the infamaous "stop lurker" tactic. a group of marines would walk directly over lurkers and get instantly annilated, thus space is controlled. swarm host however does not do that. what swarm host does from what i seen in the trailers is FORCES u to engage them. the units they spawn is honestly no threat when u can just atk move and kill them instantly or force field them off. infact one scan would probally allow siege tanks to kill off all of them without there locust things doing any real damage at all. so no, the lurker and swarm host or nothing alike. the only similarity is that they can atk while burrowed, and then again the swarm host doesnt even atk itself. it summons units to atk for it.... at best the swarm host will just be a annoying unit that u will have to deal with. other then that it is no lurker and ppl shouldnt compare the 2. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
This is just stuff to tease us a bit, and to give us an idea of what they've been doing instead of giving us LAN. | ||
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ladyumbra
Canada1699 Posts
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sc2holar
Sweden1637 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45017 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:20 Sub40APM wrote: because you could replicate a builder and then build the entire tech tree.. While that sounds cool in theory... we don't ever have the money to do that o.O This isn't Fastest Possible Money Map Ever... | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't see why they'd do this. Baneling mines weren't even used enough. These are going to be ridiculously strong. How much detection are we going to need o.O They may just deacrease its speed a little bit. I doubt it's going to be OP because terran is scanning his move path anyways, and when terran is not moving then turrets are usually around. And don't forget that's hive tech so looks completelly fine for me. | ||
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Twinmold
Sweden238 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:23 Alpina wrote: They may just deacrease its speed a little bit. I doubt it's going to be OP because terran is scanning his move path anyways, and when terran is not moving then turrets are usually around. And don't forget that's hive tech so looks completelly fine for me. It still looks really stupid though. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While that sounds cool in theory... we don't ever have the money to do that o.O This isn't Fastest Possible Money Map Ever... Not a surprising comment from someone with the name Sub40APM though is it.. | ||
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: While that sounds cool in theory... we don't ever have the money to do that o.O This isn't Fastest Possible Money Map Ever... For Zerg yeah, but Terran... Their quick and flexible tech tree might backfire on them  It doesn't take that long to tech to something like a Ghost Academy to make your own Nukes >:D | ||
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Antares777
United States1971 Posts
Burrowed moving Banelings? HELL NO. Swarm Host is a great idea, but spawning some slow ass unit every 24 seconds is really dumb. I'd give it the same attack as the Brood Lords but have the impact of the Broodling deal less damage and let's say they spawn slower or something, but whatever it's spawning now is really dumb. Wait, can the Swarm Host target units on different terrain levels? If it spawns units, then... WTF this is some piece of shit. Blizzard needs to give it some sort of real attack instead of spawning guys, or make them launch guys, or something. The Replicant is a ridiculous unit in my honest opinion. It sounds cool, but right now it's too expensive. If it can only copy non massive units, tone the price down a bit, maybe just the gas. It could be useful in copying spell casters or Siege Tanks but that's it. Can't you give Protoss a real unit instead of some clone thing? The Oracle is cool, testing will tell whether or not it's overpowered. Ultralisk charge fixes all of the problems that Ultralisks have been faced against. They should almost definitely see competitive play now. Hydralisk movement speed is great, even if it is at tier 3. Battle Hellion? Cool. Warhound? Meh. Shredder? Uh, I don't think this unit is going to work. I really dislike how Terran can just build things that defend their bases so easily. Was the Planetary Fortress not enough? You had to add the Shredder? Tempest? Cool, don't make it too overpowered against Mutalisks. No more Overseer? Spore Crawlers just went from recommended to required. This isn't a big deal at all though. The Viper is cool. I like it's abilities, they seem to work great. Ocular Parasite better not require research or a lot of energy. Abduct is probably it's best ability, being able to pretty much kill any unit sounds great. I can see in the near future that this ability will be limited to non massive units. The Disruption Web is an awesome, solid spell, good job with that. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
OMG that is fast, reducing it to half doesn't seem to much even xd. Either that or Ravens will become a MUST xD | ||
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tetracycloide
295 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:20 cbueno wrote: This means that 4 cannons is not enough to protect a mineral line cos 8/10 banes will just pass under it and the cannons wont have enough time to kill them before they suicide on the probes..They can even suicide 20+ banes cos it will still be worth it cos you kill an entire mineral line....This means NO 3rd base unless very heavelly protected. If 20+ banes was worth sending against one mineral line with cannons defending it it would be done now because what's the difference between burrow move and regular movement if there's a detector around? It's not worth that many resources even if you kill every worker on the line. (This isn't going to affect a 3rd base at all, you can't get hive that fast and not die) | ||
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:22 ladyumbra wrote: Hmm how fast can you go dt + robo tech? If you can use the oracle's ability to stun spore crawlers ( I assume this negates their detect ability as well) and get DT's out fast enough DT expanding might be more viable again vs zerg. All depends on the timing though as I've seen a lot of zerg getting like 8 minute lairs lately and having detection via overseers so fast. If that kept up in Hots they could easily have vipers out by then. Almost certain the oracle comes out of the stargate and requires a fleet beacon, so the timing is very likely not viable. | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On October 22 2011 21:11 Paladia wrote: Quoting David Kim. "The Protoss is too strong so they don't really need new units in HotS." Which is why only gimmick units were added to Toss. Makes for a good forum sig. I really do think Protoss is getting screwed here. The new units don't even come close to addressing the problems with the race. To add insult to injury, the new Terran mech units specialize against Protoss (battle hellion ruins zealots, warhound ruins stalkers). Not a fan of David Kim, to say the least. | ||
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