|
On October 17 2011 12:40 Zzoram wrote:
Kinda ridiculous that MVP won an MLG and will have to start at the beginning of the open bracket.
Why doesn't he at least get advanced standing at the end of the open bracket for winning an MLG?
it's because he only attended one MLG. ye the system kinda sucks and favours people who were always there, i.e. the americans
|
how does the MLG invitational work? i mean if whitera takes the european one, will he have a spot in the tuornament or just a paid trip to fight in the open brackets?
|
Well, another stupid format. The advantage of the seeded players is way too much.
MLG is definately the worst among top tournaments.
|
Wow the top side is stacked, DRG/Bomber/MC arguably top 3 in each of their races..IdrA being top 3 foreign zerg arguably. And OWB seed #1 the hardest..
|
Not sure if this is better or not. Guess time will tell
|
On October 18 2011 02:06 Roxy wrote:
@MVP, Nestea
What better do they have to do?
Grind out ladder games?
If a tournament setting (with a huge prize pool) isnt a great place to train, I dont know what is
Well MC would beg to differ. He specifically decided to cut down on tournaments to train a while back b/c it was detrimental to his training and skills. Heck, Tastosis has harped on this point a lot.
|
i like the system kind of, but i hate that the 4 topseeds need to win 4 bo3s to win MLG.
|
Such a strange format... :-/ I can't say I'm a fan at all. I get it, they worked hard to get the good seeding, but it also is highly dependent on how often you can come, which gives a disadvantage to many players. I also don't like how some people need to just win a few matches, while others have to go through an impossible marathon of players...
I was really hoping that it would just be a regular 32 man bracket (with a losers bracket) with the top 32 players or something like that. It would allow players like KawaiiRice or ViBe who have been fighting all season long to finally be in a fair position in one of the tournaments after getting far each time. Such a shame for them imo.
Oh well, thanks for posting it clearly.
Edit:
On October 18 2011 02:26 Elean wrote:
Well, another stupid format. The advantage of the seeded players is way too much.
MLG is definately the worst among top tournaments.
Ya you put it more bluntly than I did, and I have to agree with you.
|
On October 18 2011 01:47 Bulkers wrote:
I dont like this format at all, players that are seeded in pool have way way easier job than people in open bracket, HuK won 9 bo3 in Orlando to win it, and for example SaSe who is imo equally good would have to win 16 bo3 to win it, and worst part of it is that most of those game would take place in sunday.
We could see that MC after 6x bo3 with Rain, Ret, Puma, MKP, Idra, StC all was played during 7h most of them was 2-1 and he was just tired in finals, and HuK played 2 bo3 during this 7h.
Long story short, format heavily favor seeded people.
the seeded players SHOULD have an easier time (in theory, take IdrA for ex) into making it to the finals since they have proven themselves to be the top players compared to the open bracket players.
Also, this is a National Championship, a culmination of the results of the other tourneys and therefore doesn't need pool play, it should be a tourney with the best of the best.
|
Straight up double elim brackets are better than any of the tournament formats MLG have come up with
|
Seeds should just be spread out so they are more likely to face each other in a later round. The way this is done is just really ridiculous and takes some of the legitimacy out of being the champion. Don't know what else to say other than this is completely unfair to anyone who doesn't have a seed.
|
Sadly I think this is just a horrible format. I mean 4 bo3 for the top 4 seeds. If one of them wins it will feel weird since it wont be that epic to win such a tourney by going up in 4 matches.
I think MLG is killing this. They are more interested in trying to get players to their tourneys instead of actually making a fair and epic tourney. By having this format they are more likelly to just boost lesser skilled players who dont have much other stuff to do.
It just dont feel as epic when all players are not playing equal amount of games.
Imagine this format in an OSL or MSL. Would just feel kinda silly if Flash or JAedong won OSL by playing 4 games.
|
On October 18 2011 02:39 thoraxe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 01:47 Bulkers wrote:
I dont like this format at all, players that are seeded in pool have way way easier job than people in open bracket, HuK won 9 bo3 in Orlando to win it, and for example SaSe who is imo equally good would have to win 16 bo3 to win it, and worst part of it is that most of those game would take place in sunday.
We could see that MC after 6x bo3 with Rain, Ret, Puma, MKP, Idra, StC all was played during 7h most of them was 2-1 and he was just tired in finals, and HuK played 2 bo3 during this 7h.
Long story short, format heavily favor seeded people. the seeded players SHOULD have an easier time (in theory, take IdrA for ex) into making it to the finals since they have proven themselves to be the top players compared to the open bracket players. Also, this is a National Championship, a culmination of the results of the other tourneys and therefore doesn't need pool play, it should be a tourney with the best of the best.
I'm sorry, but this is just really bad logic. They should have an easier time by merit of play, not unfair advantages.
|
motbob DO pay attention to players who won 1st-3rd place and dont throw them into open bracket.(It touched mainly koreans who only were invited once and still took gold silve or bronze place). plz
|
On October 18 2011 02:39 thoraxe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 01:47 Bulkers wrote:
I dont like this format at all, players that are seeded in pool have way way easier job than people in open bracket, HuK won 9 bo3 in Orlando to win it, and for example SaSe who is imo equally good would have to win 16 bo3 to win it, and worst part of it is that most of those game would take place in sunday.
We could see that MC after 6x bo3 with Rain, Ret, Puma, MKP, Idra, StC all was played during 7h most of them was 2-1 and he was just tired in finals, and HuK played 2 bo3 during this 7h.
Long story short, format heavily favor seeded people. the seeded players SHOULD have an easier time (in theory, take IdrA for ex) into making it to the finals since they have proven themselves to be the top players compared to the open bracket players. Also, this is a National Championship, a culmination of the results of the other tourneys and therefore doesn't need pool play, it should be a tourney with the best of the best.
This is just plain wrong, sorry but it is. Take Incontrol for example. I know he is not top seeded but if 1 player cant make it he is top 16. Do you really think he is proven more top player then say Sase, Thorzain, Dimaga, Hero and so on, you get my point? Incontrol is rewarded for attending every MLG and because he did one good round before Koreans were in it.
YOu could argue the same for Naniwa really since he won 1 MLG without koreans and havent really played many other then that, but at least he won it.
This format just favour those who played alot of MLGs. Incontrol for example is 1-20 in his last 2 but if 1 player cant make it he will be seeded. How is that fair towards all those players who actually hare top players?
|
On October 18 2011 02:40 acrimoneyius wrote:
Seeds should just be spread out so they are more likely to face each other in a later round. The way this is done is just really ridiculous and takes some of the legitimacy out of being the champion. Don't know what else to say other than this is completely unfair to anyone who doesn't have a seed.
Precisely. I don't know who comes up with these inane systems.
If they were seeded one round ahead, then fine, but not this far.
Silly.
|
On October 18 2011 02:41 purpose wrote:Imagine this format in an OSL or MSL. Would just feel kinda silly if Flash or JAedong won OSL by playing 4 games.
OSL has a ton of byes for high finishers in previous seasons. If you were top16 in previous OSL, you don't have to play in the 192 man qualifier where you need to win 3 series to advance. You don't have to play against those players until they've played another series against each other, reducing the 192 to 12. And if you were top4 in previous OSL, you get another bye, because you go directly into the group stages.
So unless I'm wrong, top4 from previous OSL have to win group stages and 3 series (equal to 4 series) to win another OSL, same as MLG.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/leagues/1609_Jin_Air_OSL/games#tblt-679-1-1-DESC
Fantasy, who won last OSL, had to play a 3 game group stage, a BO3, and a BO5 to get into a BO5 finals for the next OSL title. He needed to win 4 out of 5 to 6 games to get the same seed for the next season, being put into round 6 in a 9 round tournament.
|
Dont the GSL Invites who won get free invites into the champ bracket, eg MMA Bomber and Mvp, with 2 being in it its just MVP really which i care about, and also im extremely happy that rain gets the 16th instead of incontrol
|
terribad ... Insane advantages once again
|
On October 18 2011 02:51 Lobo2me wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 02:41 purpose wrote:Imagine this format in an OSL or MSL. Would just feel kinda silly if Flash or JAedong won OSL by playing 4 games. OSL has a ton of byes for high finishers in previous seasons. If you were top16 in previous OSL, you don't have to play in the 192 man qualifier where you need to win 3 series to advance. You don't have to play against those players until they've played another series against each other, reducing the 192 to 12. And if you were top4 in previous OSL, you get another bye, because you go directly into the group stages. So unless I'm wrong, top4 from previous OSL have to win group stages and 3 series (equal to 4 series) to win another OSL, same as MLG.
The difference is in OSL, the other players just have to win one more series than a ro4 finisher. In this, they have to win 3 series more I think which is 2x as much as the highest seed.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
