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On October 17 2011 18:22 Lobo2me wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2011 16:00 AdreN- wrote:On October 17 2011 15:49 synkronized wrote:On October 17 2011 14:39 zaii wrote:On October 17 2011 14:12 ThyHate wrote:
what is wrong with MLG and their tourneys formats -_- This is just an INSANE advantage for the seeds.. makes attending MLG regular season events and earning more points much more important. Yeah but the MLG format's still messed up. The true MLG tournie is pool play to take the top spot within that pool, followed by a Ro4 tournie. The Loser's Bracket and Championship bracket outside of the top seeds, all of it's a waste of time. The MLG format's meant to exhaust anyone who misses a single step in the open tourney and pool play whilst providing insane advantages to the top seeds. You can argue that taking 1st in pool play's balanced, which it arguably is. But let's eliminate the pretense that anyone has a fucking chance outside of the top 4 from the Pools cause no one does. Has the winner of each pool group gone on to win every MLG? Remember that finishing first in the group is guaranteed to give 6th as worst. Event: Player first in groups (finishing rank in bracket) Dallas: Naniwa (1st), Kiwikaki (2nd), Select (3rd), Incontrol (4th) Colombus: MMA (1st), Losira (2nd), Idra (4th), Naniwa (6th) Anaheim: MVP (1st), Boxer (3rd), DRG (5th), Rain (6th) Raleigh: Bomber (1st), Coca (2nd), DRG (3rd), Puma (5th) Orlando: Huk (1st), TheStC (3rd), Marineking (5th), Bomber (6th) So from that we can see, only 6 players over 5 events managed to break into the finishing top 4, and thus change the top 4 that were at the start of championship sunday (that were the top in each group). Out of the 6 players that got into top 4 that didn't get first in their groups, 4 were 2nd in their groups (MC, MMA, Ganzi, Idra), and 2 were 3rd in their groups (NaDa, MC).
It's worth noting that 4 of those group champions were from the Open Bracket (Finishes: 3,5,5,6). So while invited pool players have an advantage, it's not quite as horrific.
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I understand rewarding the people who have come to MLG consistently but the advantage the top 4 get is absolutely insane. They only have to play 3 best of 3's to make it to the final. . . Then the person from the losers bracket can potentially play like 8-10 best of 3s and that is not even considering the open bracket.
It is possible to have someone who has played 3 best of 3's playing in the final against someone who has played like 15+ matches that weekend(come from open bracket then drop to the loser's bracket first round, have fun with that).
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What an awful format.
Winning 4 Bo3's to win the entire tournament makes no sense.
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Looks like NaNiwa benefited from not going to Orlando, the #3-bracket with Boxer, Select and Slush is one I'd easily prefer over the #1-bracket with Rain, Bomber and MC, and would Nani have participated on Orlando he most probably would have stayed at #1 in the rankings
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On October 18 2011 00:59 Jakkerr wrote:
What an awful format.
Winning 4 Bo3's to win the entire tournament makes no sense.
Be one of the best 4 players over 5 tournaments, over the whole year, then win 4 Bo3s against what will likely be the strongest player pool assembled yet in sc2 to win a tournament.
Seems pretty fair.
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so MLG providence dont have the initial group play from pools?
gl :D
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I think we need more debate on the MVP vs Incontrol, who's better? to determine who should be higher seed.
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On October 18 2011 00:55 Sanitys wrote:
I understand rewarding the people who have come to MLG consistently but the advantage the top 4 get is absolutely insane. They only have to play 3 best of 3's to make it to the final. . . Then the person from the losers bracket can potentially play like 8-10 best of 3s and that is not even considering the open bracket.
It is possible to have someone who has played 3 best of 3's playing in the final against someone who has played like 15+ matches that weekend(come from open bracket then drop to the loser's bracket first round, have fun with that).
It's not just going to MLG consistently, it's consistently placing well in MLG. Top 4 over the whole season is pretty insane, and after watching MLG Orlando you can't say that IdrA or HuK don't deserve every bit of it for the amount of work they put into it.
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Wait does this mean there will be no korean invites???/
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I hope Polt shows up again. Can't wait for him to lose against some random NA player only to go do an insane run again XD
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Hope this is helpful to discussion on this matter
The Y is points the x is rank.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/nY2om.jpg)
Note that after 28th it quickly drops to insignificance.
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On October 18 2011 01:10 Fangzhou wrote:
Wait does this mean there will be no korean invites???/
Well, sort of. MLG is paying for transportation for MMA, MVP, Bomber, and MC to Providence. However, they will be seeded solely according to rank points.
MMA - 4
MC - 8
Bomber - 9
Mvp - 19 (3rd Open Bracket Seed, makes him the favorite to get the OWB #3 seed (Naniwa's row).)
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I like how huk is a lower seed than idra, but has an easier route. I know Idra does not want to play the winner of Rain, Bomber, and MC
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wow thas even worse than the seasonal format looooool
also:
why isnt tlo in there?
on their orlando leaderboard it says that he was 9th seed and now he is not even in it anymore?
i mean wtf
that makes no sense
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The advantage given to the highest seeds are just ridiculous. wow.
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This is going to be sick
cant wait
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On October 18 2011 01:33 Workforce wrote:
The advantage given to the highest seeds are just ridiculous. wow.
I think it rewards players for coming to the events though
the prizes for MLG are relatively small, there needs to be some benefit to those who come regularly (and regularly generate money for MLG)
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On October 18 2011 01:35 Roxy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 01:33 Workforce wrote:
The advantage given to the highest seeds are just ridiculous. wow. I think it rewards players for coming to the events though the prizes for MLG are relatively small, there needs to be some benefit to those who come regularly (and regularly generate money for MLG)
yeah maybe thats kinda ok but its soooooooo american favored since no european non TL member even attended to more than 3 mlgs since its just not worth it because they have no chance at all of qualifiying for providence with a good raking since they would need to win but with mvp and the other koreans its just not worth trying
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I dont like this format either...the concept of someone winning MLg due to winning like 4 bo3s is dramatically worse than the old system. In fact it really discourages me from watching, because to be honest, how will the top seeds NOT win? People from the open bracket will be dead tired [and inferior], so they wont pose a threat. People at the lower end basically the same thing. Only the top seeds and perhaps a few middle seeds have a realistic chance at the MLG, its just not...interesting at all. -_-On October 18 2011 01:01 Wren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2011 00:59 Jakkerr wrote:
What an awful format.
Winning 4 Bo3's to win the entire tournament makes no sense. Be one of the best 4 players over 5 tournaments, over the whole year, then win 4 Bo3s against what will likely be the strongest player pool assembled yet in sc2 to win a tournament. Seems pretty fair. No...it doesnt. Which is why were pointing it out as ridiculous.
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On October 18 2011 01:25 sVnteen wrote:
why isnt tlo in there?
on their orlando leaderboard it says that he was 9th seed and now he is not even in it anymore?
i mean wtf
that makes no sense
He was 9th only among the players who went to Orlando. He was 15th overall then and is currently 20th.
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