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BlackGosu
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1046 Posts
October 17 2011 16:43 GMT
#241
i agree with seeding, but the way this seeding works is ridiculous. its good that the top seeds are rewarded, but this reward is just overwhelmingly advantageous
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wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
October 17 2011 16:43 GMT
#242
Where is MVP? Didn't he win one of these MLGs? Like the whole thing? I know he's only attended one, but he can't help it if he's always preparing for the GSL finals and shit. With this whole GSL/MLG partnership, it actually seems like he's getting punished for being good at this game.
Workforce
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden70 Posts
October 17 2011 16:45 GMT
#243
On October 18 2011 01:35 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 01:33 Workforce wrote:
The advantage given to the highest seeds are just ridiculous. wow.


I think it rewards players for coming to the events though
the prizes for MLG are relatively small, there needs to be some benefit to those who come regularly (and regularly generate money for MLG)


I don't have a problem with giving an advantage as long as it is reasonable. This is just way over top in my opinion.
Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
October 17 2011 16:47 GMT
#244
On October 18 2011 01:39 lizzard_warish wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 01:01 Wren wrote:
On October 18 2011 00:59 Jakkerr wrote:
What an awful format.

Winning 4 Bo3's to win the entire tournament makes no sense.

Be one of the best 4 players over 5 tournaments, over the whole year, then win 4 Bo3s against what will likely be the strongest player pool assembled yet in sc2 to win a tournament.

Seems pretty fair.
No...it doesnt. Which is why were pointing it out as ridiculous.

MLG 2011 Pro Circuit is ONE tournament, Providence is the championship event for it. Look at cumulative efforts for the whole year before critiquing the system that makes it happen.
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Bulkers
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland509 Posts
October 17 2011 16:47 GMT
#245
I dont like this format at all, players that are seeded in pool have way way easier job than people in open bracket, HuK won 9 bo3 in Orlando to win it, and for example SaSe who is imo equally good would have to win 16 bo3 to win it, and worst part of it is that most of those game would take place in sunday.

We could see that MC after 6x bo3 with Rain, Ret, Puma, MKP, Idra, StC all was played during 7h most of them was 2-1 and he was just tired in finals, and HuK played 2 bo3 during this 7h.

Long story short, format heavily favor seeded people.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 17 2011 16:48 GMT
#246
I really like the way the tournament has a losers bracket
I like how one bad match doesnt totally screw you (obviously it semi-screws you).
Its nice that people can fight their way back.
I would really like it if the final 4 rounds were not BO3 though (or the extended bullsh...)
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Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
October 17 2011 16:51 GMT
#247
Any word on player accommodations?

I would love it if MLG fully supplied housing for any players who wish to come.
Obviously htey dont need to be extravagant, but it would be nice if the players had their transportation and rooms taken care of. Even if it was just a gymnasium with a bunch of cots on it or something.

Obviously the players who are rollign in money would be able to buy a nice hotel, but this would help even the non-pro GM players who drive for 5 hours to come to this event.
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00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
October 17 2011 16:54 GMT
#248
I bet 1-2 out of the top 16 will pull out due to various reasons.
So don't get crazy over the brackets.
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 17 2011 16:56 GMT
#249
You try and give players reward for going to all MLG's and doing well, and by doing so, the tournament will be worse and suffer for it. Winning 4 Bo3's to take the entire championship is ridiculous. Awful tournament format. Would not be surprised if MVP declines to come back to focus on GSL Ro8.
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
October 17 2011 16:58 GMT
#250
wow.. just skimmed through most of this. The very fact that a map has to be created and there are 13 pages of people with questions.. just goes to show that this system is flawed.

The fact that incontrol has a 8-25 record in all MLG events and was just now removed from group play is concerning and shows that those that continue to do well have a very small chance of 'earning' a good seed for the finals.

I would also think that the finals would be based on a mathematical breakdown of points earned from all of the events. It appears that that is not actually the case here. I would love to meet the person who thought this process up. There are actually much easier to understand and competitive ways to lay this out that are also more in line with real world sports.

however.. it will be a killer finals no matter how you slice it.

my 3 cents..
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Jacopana
Profile Joined September 2009
El Salvador210 Posts
October 17 2011 16:58 GMT
#251
sad MVP is not seeded, if he comes to open bracket surely would get to chapionship winner brackets. Nestea should come too ^_^
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 17 2011 17:00 GMT
#252
On October 18 2011 01:56 Micket wrote:
You try and give players reward for going to all MLG's and doing well, and by doing so, the tournament will be worse and suffer for it. Winning 4 Bo3's to take the entire championship is ridiculous. Awful tournament format. Would not be surprised if MVP declines to come back to focus on GSL Ro8.

I really doubt he'll show up. Combine all the factors of GSL, his CTS problems, IM's financial capabilities, and no seeding, means there's little incentive for him to show up. Yeah the prize money is great, but will that be enough?

Also, I get that MLG's system was created to reward frequent attendees, but not giving automatic seeding to former champions (in the relevant MLGs) is stupidly crazy.
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Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-17 17:06:59
October 17 2011 17:06 GMT
#253
@MVP, Nestea

What better do they have to do?
Grind out ladder games?

If a tournament setting (with a huge prize pool) isnt a great place to train, I dont know what is
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fer
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada375 Posts
October 17 2011 17:08 GMT
#254
On October 18 2011 01:01 Wren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2011 00:59 Jakkerr wrote:
What an awful format.

Winning 4 Bo3's to win the entire tournament makes no sense.

Be one of the best 4 players over 5 tournaments, over the whole year, then win 4 Bo3s against what will likely be the strongest player pool assembled yet in sc2 to win a tournament.

Seems pretty fair.


Nope, sorry but even Sundance has acknowledged that their ranking system is awful, and that they're planning to address this for the next season.
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wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
October 17 2011 17:09 GMT
#255
On October 18 2011 02:06 Roxy wrote:
@MVP, Nestea

What better do they have to do?
Grind out ladder games?

If a tournament setting (with a huge prize pool) isnt a great place to train, I dont know what is


For these two players, them getting broadcasted serves as training for everyone else, since they are so ahead of the curve.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
October 17 2011 17:10 GMT
#256
As long as the finals isn't a 2 game sadfest, I'll be happy.
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talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 17 2011 17:12 GMT
#257
It would be nice if they just seeded the whole tournament based on points... why stop at the top 16?
InFi.asc
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany518 Posts
October 17 2011 17:18 GMT
#258
Damn, I would not want to be the winner of the open bracket #1
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KevinIX
Profile Joined October 2009
United States2472 Posts
October 17 2011 17:20 GMT
#259
MLG always has the best games and the worst finals. I hope they change the way finals work next season.
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striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
October 17 2011 17:21 GMT
#260
i don't understand why they don't have regular pool play for the top seeds again. like have 1-4 play each other to legitimize the ranking for the brackets. or like talismania said, seed the entire tourney, including open bracket. and if mlg wants regular participation, they should close off the providence open bracket to only those who have participated at least once in the current year. that way, they have have nestea come and kill it all in 1 tourney.
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