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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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CeriseCherries
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
I will post a link (need to upload it again)... to my GPS (Global Points System). This system uses 'Tier' levels to define the 'weight' of events/tournaments and applies the weighted points to each. From there.. a player/team earns points and a GPS Rank% based on their finish against only the other players in the events they attend. This system is a mix of my ( http://www.esportrank.com player rankings) and PGA Golf Rankings. Due to the nature of eSports (with the lack of real league structure).. we more closely represent Golf in terms of competitive structure. For example.. Idra competes in 5 'A Tier' and 3 "B Tier" events and finishes on average of 6th place in each (with 2 championship wins in the B Tier events) MC competes in 4 'A Tier' events and finishes with 3 Championships and a 6th place finish. Using the MLG model and the model of many other eSport organizations.. that use only a 'raw' number system (ie: 1st = 1600 points, 2nd = 1000 points, 3rd = 600, etc...) Idra would be a much higher ranking player (based on points total).. compared to MC.. However, a relative ranking system would look at only how the players did 'relative' to their specific events. Even if those 2 players never played in the same events. As long at the 'Tier Levels' were defined, there can be a correlation. Look at it.. MC won 3 of this 4 events.. all A Tier events.. but because he did not 'attend' as many as Idra.. he is ranked lower. This is a very flawed approach and one that has continued to hinder eSports growth. Ill get the link to my GPS Ranking system up later tonight. My 3 cents... | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On October 18 2011 07:35 csn_JohnClark wrote: This is one of the biggest problems with a 'raw' points system... especially in the case of MLG. I understand they want to reward players for attending.. but penalizing players/teams that do not have the $$/time to attend more then a single/two events is just absurd. Raw points only works in NASCAR and there it has its flaws. The best system is a relative tournament results system. This system is relative to the results you have in the events you attend. By simply putting some variables in place to ensure repeat attendance (ie: must attend 2 events to qualify for finals - regardless of your finish).. you can ensure a more fair system. I will post a link (need to upload it again)... to my GPS (Global Points System). This system uses 'Tier' levels to define the 'weight' of events/tournaments and applies the weighted points to each. From there.. a player/team earns points and a GPS Rank% based on their finish against only the other players in the events they attend. This system is a mix of my ( http://www.esportrank.com player rankings) and PGA Golf Rankings. Due to the nature of eSports (with the lack of real league structure).. we more closely represent Golf in terms of competitive structure. For example.. Idra competes in 5 'A Tier' and 3 "B Tier" events and finishes on average of 6th place in each (with 2 championship wins in the B Tier events) MC competes in 4 'A Tier' events and finishes with 3 Championships and a 6th place finish. Using the MLG model and the model of many other eSport organizations.. that use only a 'raw' number system (ie: 1st = 1600 points, 2nd = 1000 points, 3rd = 600, etc...) Idra would be a much higher ranking player (based on points total).. compared to MC.. However, a relative ranking system would look at only how the players did 'relative' to their specific events. Even if those 2 players never played in the same events. As long at the 'Tier Levels' were defined, there can be a correlation. Look at it.. MC won 3 of this 4 events.. all A Tier events.. but because he did not 'attend' as many as Idra.. he is ranked lower. This is a very flawed approach and one that has continued to hinder eSports growth. Ill get the link to my GPS Ranking system up later tonight. My 3 cents... Cute idea, but (like any power ranking) not useful as seeding for any tournament. Results entirely outside the tournament's scope cannot and should not affect a player's position in that tournament. For example, your system would give HuK a boost for winning Dreamhack Summer, but that cannot and should not be used to seed him at MLG, GSL, HSC, or ANY non-Dreamhack tournament. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
There is no flaw in the system as long as there are certain requirements set in place from the start. (ie. X number of tournaments to qualify, x number of total players required, etc...) Thanks for the correction. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
EDIT: looking at it again, it seems fairly subjective again, assuming that event tier is the only criteria. Wouldn't you be better served by a ELO-ish power ranking limited to MLG competition? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
Yes..there is a human element to the GPS and esportRanks.com systems.. but only in terms of the weight of an event. This system can be very restrictive though and should be.. to remove 'bias' from the equation. Defining 'Tier Levels' should also involve more math then just 'guessing or voting'. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
"To MLG Committee: Please change the Providence brackets." | ||
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Tektos
Australia1321 Posts
On October 18 2011 09:06 motbob wrote: Rain was asked during an interview: If you could tell one person anything, what would it be? And why? "To MLG Committee: Please change the Providence brackets." HAHAHA He really did get the short end of the stick, having to fight through Bomber, MC and IdrA if he wants to make it. Beastly T, P and then Z all with good vs.Terran skills. | ||
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vVvPastry
United States244 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
This should be a fantastic tournament, the seeds have an advantage but they're still going to have to play regardless. | ||
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sjschmidt93
United States2518 Posts
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dcemuser
United States3248 Posts
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Korlinni
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RedFoxOne
Canada39 Posts
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Inside.Out
Canada569 Posts
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VTPerfect
United States487 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
MC right on Idra's heels. He's probably hoping that Bomber or someone else down the line takes out MC. Haha wow "GL HF my rival" haha | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
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