EPTAll in all i really enjoyed the casting duo, good synergy.
PainUser & HD Casting Feedback Thread! - Page 8
| Forum Index > SC2 General |
|
Babru
196 Posts
All in all i really enjoyed the casting duo, good synergy. | ||
|
Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
You guys were really good at repping the sponsors well. While it was on a time-schedule, it didn't feel terribly forced like it does most of the time. That was actually a nice change from too many other types of non-Starcraft casting. | ||
|
Honner
United Kingdom65 Posts
Is there anything other than e-sports/starcraft 2 that has such rampant fanboyism for commentators? It's really ridiculous. People calling HD out for making mistakes - this happens all the time in GSL with Tastosis! How many times have we seen Artosis correct Tasteless with a friendly "I don't know about that Tasteless..." then he goes on to correct him. Anyway, my own advice has probably been said already in this thread. The chemistry between you both seemed good. Don't be afraid to call something wrong, just have the co-commentator ready to pickup and correct you quickly if you are wrong (in a nice way). More important to get it right first time in the battles when the action heats up, so maybe focus more on what is happening in the battles, rather than trying to predict them too early. Trying to predict builds (e.g. protoss just put down a twilight council) and explain that to the audience is a good thing to do as this happens slowly over time, just make sure you correct yourselves if you call it wrong. Maybe have HD focus more on the color commentary, with PainUser jumping in to give the analysis or insights into strategies possibly in play. Overall this is all just nitpicking, I don't expect perfection from any commentary, it's more just there to make the games more interesting for the general spectator. | ||
|
Probe1
United States17920 Posts
| ||
|
mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
| ||
|
positron.
634 Posts
| ||
|
Zeri
United States773 Posts
On October 11 2011 17:52 Honner wrote: I don't understand alot of the hate that seems to come HD's way (Husky used to get it as well until his MLG commentary with Day9). On October 11 2011 17:52 Honner wrote: I don't understand alot of the hate that seems to come HD's way (Husky used to get it as well until he got better). if you look at a lot of his old solo stuff and his initial live casts, hes not as good. He's also been around the scene longer so this makes sense | ||
|
rawrjaaaaay
United States426 Posts
| ||
|
Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
- HD should do play by play and control the camera just based on the energy he can provide. Painuser should analize being a more experienced player giving the viewers insights of whats going on. When there's action going on PU needs to look around for other stuff and keep his own production tab open. - If several things are going on at once the viewers don't need a description of what's in front of their face. Keep simple and fast so PU can talk about whats going on at that expo getting attacked or drop in the main etc without the camera necesarily having to go there. - Alternate a lot more between production and unit tabs. It even helps as a caster when there's not much going to get a measure of army sizes relative to supply. | ||
|
Spitmode
Germany1510 Posts
| ||
|
Jinkku
Finland36 Posts
Take Puma - Hero game 3, for example: Puma was doing his usual 1-1-1 and once he built a raven, you guys called it an "interesting decision" and were all suprised, when almost everyone knows how crucial Ravens with PDD's are in said build. This actually made me punch a wall. Hope you really work on the knowledge part, like you said, so you wont make as many wrong calls. Apart from that your casting is OK. As for Painuser, I hope he could just take his terran hat off while casting. | ||
|
firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote: Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on I absolutely hate it when it is turned off! where is the fun in that? one of the main reasons i watch pro matches are to learn builds, not wait in suspense for a hidden DT shrine | ||
|
Infinite Loop
New Zealand41 Posts
HD, with you casting I find it very hard to enjoy the cast. You consistently call battles and strategies wrong. Also I feel you over hype the smallest things, while making wild statements that turn out wrong so often I find it painful to listen. Hopefully you can increase your knowledge of the game and maybe slow down on the hyperbole and I think you could become quality caster. Your love for the game is obvious and I wish you the best in the future. | ||
|
radient737
South Africa8 Posts
| ||
|
Undergroundz
Netherlands26 Posts
HD, with you casting I find it very hard to enjoy the cast. You consistently call battles and strategies wrong. Also I feel you over hype the smallest things, while making wild statements that turn out wrong so often I find it painful to listen. This is so true, on top of that I have the feeling when your casting a ton of stuff is just bluntly missed or reacted to very slowly, Taylor is a good caster but I hope they find him another partner. | ||
|
tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
Also both of you have been guilty of protoss bashing on occasions. I know neither of you are protoss players but it would be cool if you can try and be a bit more fair especially considering the hard time toss fans are going through recently. Edit- BTW, I can't remember who said it first, but Liquid Hero is absolutely not a 'passive player' who 'only sits in his base until he has a 200/200 death ball'. He's usually pretty much the complete opposite of this (very active with harass) and I felt like this was one of the stupidest comments I ever heard from a caster. | ||
|
Cirqueenflex
499 Posts
- nice chemistry - energetic casting - funny moments - painusers moments where he has good strategic analysis con: - drifting too often off topic - inappropriate things that just slip your mouth - trying to find most original and underused words for basic things. This might be fun for you, but it is really annoying for the viewer and hard to listen to (especially to non-native speakers). Don't say "the protoss brethren from Aiur" or similar things, stick with "protoss" or the name of the player. Makes it much easier to follow  also your extravagant explanations/descriptions take a heck of a lot time where you are cought in the beauty of your own words and seem to forget the game. Keeping it shorter might help on that.- improve your camera work. If i can see 2 huge clumps of units on the map colliding while you are in the protoss base counting gateways and get to the fight too late, it's a shame. Same goes for drops etc. I accept that you can't do both talking something intelligent and watching the game perfect, however it is a duo cast, so i still expect at least one of you to pick up all the action - don't call the fight if you don't know who wins it. When HD calls who wins this fight (and describes it in extravagant language), i already expect the other side to win. Sorry, but get a basic understanding of how many units beat how many considering the upgrades etc. If you can't figure it out, select at least all units from one side beforehand. If they all vaporize (watch the unit selection screen), that side lost. Unfortunately, it is not always Marines>Zerglings, spread sieged Tanks > Ultra ling infestor, it always depends on the numbers, positioning etc. - Try to get a feeling for how much units are worth. I was crying zerg tears when drops came in and the zerg lost 3 mutalisks + zerglings/drones to clean it up, that made it at least 500/300 lost ressources for zerg, whereas terran lost only a medivac and 8 marines. It is a nice cleanup if you don't lose a mutalisk, if you lose one it's depending on how many drones/zerglings were killed. If you lose 2+ mutalisks, you lost already way more than terran. Mutalisks aren't cheap at all. - The production tab is often times more helpful in terms of what build someone is going for. If he spreads his Stargates over his base, it might not be easy to identify it as a double Stargate, however the production tab will tell you what it is. - Do not be afraid to correct yourself as soon as you see you are wrong. It is better to immediately stop on your genius explanation why 3 gate is better than 4 gate on that map the moment there is a 4th gate getting warped in. If that happens more than once in a while, maybe you need to update your strategic database | ||
|
RuN
Brazil234 Posts
PainUser did a great job in my mind, being a top player like he is sure helps him be on the ball and he is cool under pressure I really liked what he did. And honestly. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ESPORTS, stop calling BANELINGS - BLINGS. It is incredibly stupid, makes no sense and is not funny. Makes the scene look bad. I am not alone in this, even R1CH tweeted about it. It is the one thing that made me want to stab myself during your casts. I could feel it distracting you from the main action because you had to actively think about calling them blings. Just stop, please. Hope you guys get better as I had fun watching you. There were some cringe worthy moments tho ! | ||
|
below66
United States1761 Posts
On October 11 2011 15:04 aquanda wrote: You're awesome HD. Almost no caster has a perfect knowledge of the game, but as long as you keep working at it I have no doubt you'll continue to improve. The synergy between you and Taylor has always been great (watched a ton of the IPL stream throughout the season). I would suggest just asking more questions of some of the high level players you know in order to see what's 'in' with the meta game and potential builds/counters you might see. You guy's have great synergy and your friendship and vibe just shows through, that IMO trumps technicality/knowledge as long as you have enough of it.. You're both doing a wonderful job, now don't get me wrong you have a lot to improve on, and DjWheat and Apollo are a step ahead of the casting game right now(you should really just take notes on the little things these guys do, there timings with there energy and how they connect well off one another), but I don't think you guys should worry about the flak you get from most of the haters; you can't please em all and it isn't worth to bother trying or worrying too much about it. Keep up the good work. <3 HD. | ||
|
Champi
1422 Posts
however to me he sounds too monotone when he casts, not enough emotion or enthusiam, and almost sounds pecimistic at times. HD on the other hand is not or was not ever a high level player himself, which hinders his analysis, which is fine if u have someone next to u to do the analysis (painuser) while u urself do the play by play and just announce the action in the game and make it exciting but unfortunately i feel that HD fails at doing even that, i find him hard to listen to, he tries to analyse, and makes the incorrect call, and when he tries to shoutcast he trips over himself, fumbles his words, and sounds awkward. i also am not a fan of his analogies and descriptions when he casts games. any other critical feedback i have of them is just personal dislike tho, as at the end of the day their casting is just simply, still not my cup of tea so i will stop here and just leave u with the constructive critiscm, i hope this thread helps u both to reflect on your strengths and weaknesses, and helps u improve yourselves in your career. | ||
| ||
