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honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
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On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
Dude... You're like telling someone not to cry while rubbing onions in his face.
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On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
I completely disagree, and also it's completely retarded to say "bla bla don't take this harsh" etc. Dude, you're telling him that he fucking sucks at the thing he does for a living (?) and his greatest passion. How about you just f off.
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Watching sc2 without analysis or production/unit tabs or predictions is just like watching chess without knowing anything about the game. Then it's just pieces of wood/whatever throwing each other off the board which is flat out boring. I don't want excitement if it's false and lies. I don't like crap like that. I want excitement and inspiration from a brilliant new way of playing or extremely smart decisions and responses to strategies.
EDIT: oh yeah on topic: I liked you both and especially painuser and his analysis. I don't think it's bad at all to have casters like HD if they have an analytical companion. Don't worry too much about not knowing everything about the game. If you are not sure about something, don't make a bad prediction, but maybe ask your partner do you think this could be a possibility.
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I've really enjoyed your casting with PainUser. Been watching since the HDH beta tourny.
For me you're entertaining and know how to make me feel more exited while watching the game. I do wish you would cast with husky again one day though that would be cool.
Only thing I would pick at is over-reacting when something small happens. Like someone mentioned before, when something like 3 lings run in a base and you tend to hype it as being was more dangerous then it is. Other then that though you guys have been awesome.
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I voted no because I personally don´t like your casting/voices.
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On October 11 2011 17:06 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
I completely disagree, and also it's completely retarded to say "bla bla don't take this harsh" etc. Dude, you're telling him that he fucking sucks at the thing he does for a living (?) and his greatest passion. How about you just f off.
only because ur doing it for a living and its your passion, doesnt automatically mean you cant suck. and no i dont fuck off, if they cant stand honest harsh criticism they shouldnt open feedback threads.
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On October 11 2011 17:06 sereniity wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
I completely disagree, and also it's completely retarded to say "bla bla don't take this harsh" etc. Dude, you're telling him that he fucking sucks at the thing he does for a living (?) and his greatest passion. How about you just f off.
It's important that these people say what they think so HD gets even more motivated to improve his casting.
This is exactly what he asked for because just saying that everything is fine etc is just not helping.
That it was a bit harsh...Yea, I agree with that. Some less "sucking" and more "doing bad" would make this post better. ^^
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On October 11 2011 16:45 0neder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:36 minhbq299 wrote:On October 11 2011 16:28 0neder wrote:On October 11 2011 16:20 Hnnngg wrote:On October 11 2011 16:16 0neder wrote:On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching. Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on I have not seen such a poll, but if that is the case, then those people were wrong. It is a fact that uncertainty breeds excitement. I do not watch SC2 games so I can get a better rank in my bronze league by copying stuff I see. I watch it to be entertained and excited. Ooops you're wrong. http://news.yahoo.com/spoilers-dont-ruin-stories-films-study-155908841.htmlI'd like to know how you get "entertained" or "excited" if you've already seen the match and you're watching it again. How do you explain that when OGN broadcast WCG their amazing observer was unaware of the progress bars at first and left them off, and I watched the most exciting series of SC2 ever (for me) between MKP and Hero. Your study proves nothing, and if you had any awareness of Korean Brood War, you would understand. I actually prefer the production facility on, and sometimes switch to unit tab, It is a great way to know how the game can progress. You can analysis thing yourself when caster missed it. So you expect "excitement" when something pop out of nowhere and you are "wow" like DT + stargate play? banshee, tech switch, suddenly appear? lol the caster will most certainly not miss that, and If they miss it, they are bad caster, and I feel like you only want to watch the battle micro and stuff, not how the game going and the decision making by player. Production tab is the most important thing when observing a game. OGN did not turn it on because they do not have experience with sc2, in sc1 there is no technology like that, and their cast is so good because they did not miss a single thing on the map. I am simply stunned. Yes, things suddenly appearing are exciting. Why wouldn't they be? Are you aware that top BW observers sometimes hide buildings, units, and do not reveal what is being researched DELIBERATELY in order to promote excitement and suspense? Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:36 minhbq299 wrote:
I feel like you only want to watch the battle [...] Production tab is the most important thing when observing a game.
I give up. You're a lost cause. Knowing a player is safe or has no chance of winning has no appeal to me. Clearly you only watch pro games to steal builds and timings. Good luck enjoying the speadsheets and powerpoints of life. And having it as a crutch for garbage poser commentators/observers will only expose the ones who should be kicked out and promote the best observers faster.
I'm also going to have to disagree.
With the production tab on, for example, when you see an army moving out, you can see upgrades finishing up just as they reach the base and appreciate the refinement of the build they are using. Also, if you notice the banked resources each player has, you can also see how fast each of them are rebuilding their army.
It's not a question of removing surprise and excitement. It's the difference between knowing the same information the players know as the players are making their decisions they choose to make.
I also don't understand "knowing a player is safe or has no chance of winning has no appeal" to me. If the players are playing a close game, you won't know if a player is safe or not no matter how much information you have--that's why they're close games.
Without the production tabs, with incomplete information, all you're doing is getting hyped over games that aren't close at all. I agree that it takes away from the games that are blow outs, but then again, you shouldn't be hyped about those games in the first place. (You're just letting yourself be fooled.)
It actually adds so much more to the games that are close and actually deserve your hype and excitement.
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On October 11 2011 17:09 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 17:06 sereniity wrote:On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
I completely disagree, and also it's completely retarded to say "bla bla don't take this harsh" etc. Dude, you're telling him that he fucking sucks at the thing he does for a living (?) and his greatest passion. How about you just f off. It's important that these people say what they think so HD gets even more motivated to improve his casting. This is exactly what he asked for because just saying that everything is fine etc is just not helping. That it was a bit harsh...Yea, I agree with that. Some less "sucking" and more "doing bad" would make this post better. ^^
thank you, thats the way feedback works...
and mb i used "suck" too often, but thats just the way i think about it.
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BEAUTIFUL STORMS! hhehe just kidding.
OK first thing, I am charmed by Painuser's casting, I really enjoy Painuser in general, it's hard to find fault for the moment, but I will need to say that the awkward jokes are just a little bit cringing to hear, though I do understand the need to fill time.
For some reason I really loved this exchange:
HD: "hey painuser, do you find that it's really cold in here..."
Painuser: "oh, I am not cold, but you know what, you can turn off that fan...(HD reaches over)...that's definitely a possibility."
That was really really funny to me for some reason.
If you really want to identify exactly what is irritating people HD, it's when a very particular moment happens, when you get really excited or when you're trying to play a situation up. Your voice reaches the apex of its pitch and at that second, it's hard on the ears for just that split moment. Not quite on the level of Moletrap "OHHH NNNOOOO" but it's there. It's not that bothersome really(to me). I believe some technical tweaks with the mic could probably solve that. But if you can master your voice just a tad, that would pretty much solve the issue.
I do agree with what people are saying, let Painuser be the analytical guy, who speaks about strats, reasons behind what the player is doing, and definitely defer to Painuser for oddball situations that don't quite make sense.
In terms of filling time, I would say to brief yourself a bit more on the player's background, their history, any items of interest that bring the viewer closer to the player. Emotional investment is a big thing for people, if they truly feel something for who they're rooting for.
Also try not to use too many abbreviations. We are casting for everyone, be it a complete newcomer to Starcraft 2, all the way to Grand master players. It's OK to use abbreviations, just explain them very quickly once, and the viewer will catch on, and you can continue. It is a good thing when the caster takes just a moment to explain something, and then carries on. Please don't address the audience as "noobs". I believe Wolf does it well when he says "for those of you who don't know...." it sounds friendly, not condescending and relays the information well.
But I have to give you guys credit for at least one thing. And that's keeping the profanity out. Reason I say this is because Tasteless is starting to let some adult-level language creep into his commentary. It bugs me, because GSL is supposed to be for all ages. He said the word "shit", "on the back of a hippo while it's having sex" or something completely terrible. Tasteless are you listening? Please don't do this.
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On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You add zero constructive criticism on how HD could improve or why he is "bad". Basically you're just saying "YOU SUCK" and just using the "honesty" as an excuse to bash.
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I don't understand why people continually say that HD's game knowledge is lacking. Isn't he like a high master's player? Also I haven't really seen anything wrong with has casting knowledge wise.
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On October 11 2011 17:09 MrSexington wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:45 0neder wrote:On October 11 2011 16:36 minhbq299 wrote:On October 11 2011 16:28 0neder wrote:On October 11 2011 16:20 Hnnngg wrote:On October 11 2011 16:16 0neder wrote:On October 11 2011 15:13 mrtomjones wrote:On October 11 2011 15:09 0neder wrote:
I'd like to give you some feedback you probably weren't expecting. I hope you guys, IPL, and your competitors take it to heart. I know I will give definite preference to whoever does.
1. TURN OFF PROGRESS STATS BARS.
Existing stuff is fine, income is fine, just don't tell me what's going to happen in the future. It completely kills the excitement by about 300%. Don't tell me how behind someone is either. That kills the game instantly. Don't show the worker/unit tab.
2. To be honest, I don't expect amazing game knowledge, and I don't even really want it. Don't try to predict what will happen, just hype up what IS happening. Don't show skepticism of a strategy, give a player the benefit of the doubt and hype up his guts to give each variable more importance by cheesing.
I enjoy your casting in terms of delivery and excitement. Sometimes it feels a little fake, but overall you guys are good. Just give me uncertainty and excitement over omniscience and declarations that a game's over so I might as well stop watching. Not everyone agrees with the progress bar being off. I seem to remember seeing a poll with it heavily favored to having it on I have not seen such a poll, but if that is the case, then those people were wrong. It is a fact that uncertainty breeds excitement. I do not watch SC2 games so I can get a better rank in my bronze league by copying stuff I see. I watch it to be entertained and excited. Ooops you're wrong. http://news.yahoo.com/spoilers-dont-ruin-stories-films-study-155908841.htmlI'd like to know how you get "entertained" or "excited" if you've already seen the match and you're watching it again. How do you explain that when OGN broadcast WCG their amazing observer was unaware of the progress bars at first and left them off, and I watched the most exciting series of SC2 ever (for me) between MKP and Hero. Your study proves nothing, and if you had any awareness of Korean Brood War, you would understand. I actually prefer the production facility on, and sometimes switch to unit tab, It is a great way to know how the game can progress. You can analysis thing yourself when caster missed it. So you expect "excitement" when something pop out of nowhere and you are "wow" like DT + stargate play? banshee, tech switch, suddenly appear? lol the caster will most certainly not miss that, and If they miss it, they are bad caster, and I feel like you only want to watch the battle micro and stuff, not how the game going and the decision making by player. Production tab is the most important thing when observing a game. OGN did not turn it on because they do not have experience with sc2, in sc1 there is no technology like that, and their cast is so good because they did not miss a single thing on the map. I am simply stunned. Yes, things suddenly appearing are exciting. Why wouldn't they be? Are you aware that top BW observers sometimes hide buildings, units, and do not reveal what is being researched DELIBERATELY in order to promote excitement and suspense? On October 11 2011 16:36 minhbq299 wrote:
I feel like you only want to watch the battle [...] Production tab is the most important thing when observing a game.
I give up. You're a lost cause. Knowing a player is safe or has no chance of winning has no appeal to me. Clearly you only watch pro games to steal builds and timings. Good luck enjoying the speadsheets and powerpoints of life. And having it as a crutch for garbage poser commentators/observers will only expose the ones who should be kicked out and promote the best observers faster. I'm also going to have to disagree. With the production tab on, for example, when you see an army moving out, you can see upgrades finishing up just as they reach the base and appreciate the refinement of the build they are using. Also, if you notice the banked resources each player has, you can also see how fast each of them are rebuilding their army. It's not a question of removing surprise and excitement. It's the difference between knowing the same information the players know as the players are making their decisions they choose to make. I also don't understand "knowing a player is safe or has no chance of winning has no appeal" to me. If the players are playing a close game, you won't know if a player is safe or not no matter how much information you have--that's why they're close games. Without the production tabs, with incomplete information, all you're doing is getting hyped over games that aren't close at all. I agree that it takes away from the games that are blow outs, but then again, you shouldn't be hyped about those games in the first place. (You're just letting yourself be fooled.) It actually adds so much more to the games that are close and actually deserve your hype and excitement.
To provide a counter example: Check vs Vampire in the GSTL finals. We see 2 stargate voids, assume check only prepares for 1 because he only scouts 1 and will be unprepared. Vampire masses up a bunch of gateway units to attack with his voids and assume that Check is gonna be totally screwed, and the camera scrolls up and we see 10 queens running down to meet the army.
That was pretty fucking awesome.
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On October 11 2011 17:13 Hokay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You add zero constructive criticism on how HD could improve or why he is "bad". Basically you're just saying "YOU SUCK" and just using the "honesty" as an excuse to bash.
thats bullshit. i mentioned the game sense, the overhyping and how he pulls down painuser. and im not a caster myself so i have no idea how he could improve effectivly, if he wants to know that he should ask day9 or artosis and not simple TL users like us....
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Overall I was fine with the casting in IPL. It wasn't MLG quality, but it was good. IF HD want's feedback, then this is what I would say. Watch streams, learn builds you wouldnt even normally use ( I mean some funky/normal builds of koreans). It really adds to your casting when you know the build the player is hammering down. I love how you stay enthutiastic (idk how to write that word lol), it's actually really hard to do. And I would want to give you props for that. Also, get to know the players your casting if you can. Research their playstyle, watch their replays, keep that professional tone in your voice and your good. One last thing. I don't know how long time you spend during a day to study the game and the players. If it's little, do it more. If it's a lot, then keep attention to what you are watching. I don't know if this helps at all, but since I like you, I figured I could try to help you out. You and PainUser have really good chemistry between you two, that's really what makes your casts good, keep it up!
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On October 11 2011 17:08 gwaihir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 17:06 sereniity wrote:On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
I completely disagree, and also it's completely retarded to say "bla bla don't take this harsh" etc. Dude, you're telling him that he fucking sucks at the thing he does for a living (?) and his greatest passion. How about you just f off. only because ur doing it for a living and its your passion, doesnt automatically mean you cant suck. and no i dont fuck off, if they cant stand honest harsh criticism they shouldnt open feedback threads.
Just because they ask for opinions does not mean that people need to act like little children. Grow up dude. Your posts are terrible and not helpful
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TBH I feel like there are definitely times where the two of you disagree on things and it takes me out of the game a little bit, causing me to ponder both arguments, but i feel like that's a necessary aspect of any casting archon. The only issue I've had with this is (with the HD/Painuser combo) it sometimes feels like the disagreements seem a little too personal to both parties, and it can come across as a little bit condescending to one another. That aside, I feel like the analysis that the two of you have to offer is very valuable and in most cases completely valid.
Overall I thoroughly enjoyed the casts and the enthusiasm that you both exhibited in every game, and I hope that what was previously stated can be taken as constructive criticism rather than personal insult. Basically I want to say that i really enjoy the casts that you two provide and the negatives I've presented definitely (for me) do NOT out weigh the many positives.
Keep doing what you're doing, it's a beautiful thing for the E-sports community!
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On October 11 2011 17:15 gwaihir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 17:13 Hokay wrote:On October 11 2011 16:58 gwaihir wrote:
honest oppinion?? REALLY HONEST?
ok
first:
Painuser rocks, he is a really good caster
second: you make him look like a worse caster because he has to either correct you all the time (mostly indirect) or he just gets pulled down by you and he adjusts to your level of commentating.
third: HONESTY? ok, sorry to say it that harsh but you still suck at every aspect (sorry its just my real honest oppinion, i dont want to personally offend you) . even as a play by play commentator your not doing well. i dont know where to start....the really bad gamesense, the overhyping of certain situations, etc etc
in my eyes high quality tournaments shouldnt hire caster amateurs like you.
i know soo soo many people who actually stopped watching all the ipls because of you, no kiddin.
your a nice guy, but you should stop casting high quality content and mb take a break so you can start practicing casting again. or switch to smaller cups to get better. but i have this fear it wont help. you casted hundreds and hundreds of games already....really you are doing this for such a long time and still you are bad. this is kinda hopeless i guess.
and again, its an honest oppinion by me and i hope you and the mods here wont take this as stupid bashin and ban/warn me for my harsh criticism.
You add zero constructive criticism on how HD could improve or why he is "bad". Basically you're just saying "YOU SUCK" and just using the "honesty" as an excuse to bash. thats bullshit. i mentioned the game sense, the overhyping and how he pulls down painuser. and im not a caster myself so i have no idea how he could improve effectivly, if he wants to know that he should ask day9 or artosis and not simple TL users like us....
WE ARE THE VIEWERS. We are the people he is providing content to. Asking us is perfectly logical.
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